Quote from: Keira on April 04, 2008, 01:14:35 PM

The way it came "out"
makes it obvious the media didn't go after this man.
It seems to have been designed for publicity, and it worked.
So, I'm not going to removed the tag of exhibitionist.

I'm not saying that person should hide, but
it would have been not too hard to keep it low key.

Later, if he complains he's being hounded by foundies or crackpots,
he won't have a foot to stand on, just like Britney complaining
she's being pursued by paparazi when they practically get
her itinerary in advance... How often do you hear of

People who put themselves in the public eye aren't to blame for the 'fundies and crackpots' hounding them.  Yes, he should be aware that some hounding may well occur but that doesnt mean it's his fault!  He still has the right to complain about it.  (It's a bit different for somebody like Britney whose career relies on the gutter media, for her it's a rather two edged sword). How far have trans rights been improved by people willing to put themselves in harms way in the past?  Until there is proof that his reasons were 100% self serving exhibitionism, I applaud his courage.

People who put themselves in the public eye aren't to blame for the 'fundies and crackpots' hounding them.

No way, they get whatever comes next, and everyone should be aware of the cost of publicity.  When you make the private public, then all bets are off.

Quote from: tekla on April 06, 2008, 06:14:02 PM
People who put themselves in the public eye aren't to blame for the 'fundies and crackpots' hounding them.

No way, they get whatever comes next, and everyone should be aware of the cost of publicity.  When you make the private public, then all bets are off.

I agree if they do it willingly.

People need to realize there are far more crackpots out there than they think and it takes very little to stir them up.

I doubt that there are more, its just that they used to meet in thier mom's basement or trailer parks, now they have web sites and post on web forums.  So its not that there are more, its that they are more out there.

Quote from: tekla on April 04, 2008, 01:20:09 PM
Appearing in the media and on oprahs show and explaining things in a clear manner is far better than appearing on jerry springer and throwing chairs, for example

Not really, either way your trading your dignity for coverage.  One might seem more classy, but its not true - its infotainment either way.


Andy Warhaol -- "In the future, everyone will be world-famous for 15 minutes. ..."  1968 and getting truer all the time.

"Doncha think there may have been some dough-re-me that changed hands?  I bet the Beatties have a mortgage to pay and most definately, baby needs new shoes!", said Claire as she snapped her gum.   





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Quote from: tekla on April 06, 2008, 06:54:34 PM
I doubt that there are more, its just that they used to meet in thier mom's basement or trailer parks, now they have web sites and post on web forums.  So its not that there are more, its that they are more out there.

I meant that I don't think most people realize how many are out there.

You are correct though the web though.

Quote from: Sheila on April 03, 2008, 01:02:11 PM
I will probably get a lot of flack from this but here it goes. I'm really offended by Mr. Beattie as he never changed his gender. He may be a guy but he still has his ovaries and the womb to grow a child. This is all natural and he should by all means try to have a child if that is what he wants. This is not unusual in the world. To go to the media and say that he is the first man to bore a child is rediculous. I don't like the comments that were made and they shouldn't stoop so low but should be telling the truth here. How many of us transwomen have sired children. I know there are a lot of us out there. When a woman who is born with male genitalia give birth to a child then I will be amazed and happy. When a man who is born with female genitalia and sires a child I will be equally amazed and in both cases, I'm sure it will happen in the future.
Sheila

i like what you're saying here, Sheila. this fella is not helping the perception of trans folk at all.
but i also like Rebecca's remarks, because Letterman is such an arrogant, cruel, ass anyway, and has been for years.

-Ellie

Quote from: Claire de Lune on April 06, 2008, 07:35:31 PM
"Doncha think there may have been some dough-re-me that changed hands?  I bet the Beatties have a mortgage to pay and most definately, baby needs new shoes!", said Claire as she snapped her gum.   

Everyone on those shows are compensated (guests and experts alike), some are paid more than others. Someone telling their story tends to get more but many will do these shows for free just to be on tv.

The Beatties were WELL paid by People magazine, and I am sure Oprah paid well too. I am sure they will be doing the whole talk show circuit before long. He also happened to have a book in the works before, so expect a second. How much did they get? I have no idea on exact figures, but let's just say they will not need to work for at least a few years.

Letterman is such an arrogant, cruel, ass anyway, and has been for years

Its pretty much his job description.  And he is good at it.  You have not arrived in some sense untill Dave makes fun of you.

He makes something about everyone, but its certainly not fun

I'd be laughing if it really were...

His show is lame.

When the day comes that I have GRS I fully intend to put some sperm on ice.  I like girls (and boys) and if I fall in love with one that wants to have child with me, I want to be able to make it so.  The child will have 2 biological mothers.  Cool.   

Okay.  I am not going to make a joke concerning ice cream based on Claire's post.

  I'll just say that Letterman stinks.   He is really not funny.  I prefer Steve Allen.  You could see that he liked people.

Good luck.

I prefer Steve Allen.  You could see that he liked people.

I think that Steve Allen was a man of his times, and he lived in an age where people did like each other.  Dave, is perfect for a time that has a lot less respect.  It's not him, he is simply reflecting the culture. 

Quote from: Claire de Lune on April 06, 2008, 08:48:56 PM
I want to be able to make it so.

Make it so, Number One. I now order you to go make a Number Two.

I'm going to tell you said that, Ell.     

Quote from: Rebis on April 06, 2008, 10:05:18 PM

I'm going to tell you said that, Ell.     

sorry! it's an old Beavis & Butthead joke.

I know.  I was just playing.  Like I was going to rat you out for potty humor.

I'm so glad someone caught that!   

Quote from: ell on April 06, 2008, 10:08:15 PM

Quote from: Rebis on April 06, 2008, 10:05:18 PM
I'm going to tell you said that, Ell.     

sorry! it's an old Beavis & Butthead joke.

Didn't have to tell.  I found it on my own.  Naughty girl!  *snicker*