I feel cultural differences regarding alcohol consumption.

QuoteAsked whether she could ever imagine a day when South Koreans drink less, Jiyeon is adamant.

"Absolutely not. Liquor is something that's naturally shared between friends and family.  I think Korean drinking culture is very uplifting. So I don't think the day we have less will ever come ... nor should it."

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/02/country-world-worst-drink-problem-160202120308308.html

barbie~~

Quote from: barbie on December 17, 2018, 01:12:03 PM
I feel cultural differences regarding alcohol consumption.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/02/country-world-worst-drink-problem-160202120308308.html

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But your linked article says it all!  Our bodies don't know any cultural differences, a Korean liver is as good or bad in handling alcohol as is a German, French, Chinese, etc., or American liver!  They all get destroyed by it!

Quote from: barbie on December 17, 2018, 01:12:03 PM
I feel cultural differences regarding alcohol consumption.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/02/country-world-worst-drink-problem-160202120308308.html

barbie~~

Hi Barbie,                            17 December 2018

I really don't know where to begin. It seems to me you are using the Korean tradition of heavy drinking as an excuse to do likewise. My question to you is: What are your expectations for you as a result of your consumption of Alcohol? Do you realize brain cells are damaged and destroyed by drinking alcohol? How many of them can you spare?

I was a cop and worked with CPS (Child Protective Services) a large percentage of my time. It was rewarding and heartbreaking at the same time. I saw children horribly abused and neglected. Can anyone tell me when a child should be abused and neglected? I can answer my own question with one word: NEVER! But it happens on a regular basis, parents consuming alcohol in excess, using drugs, smoking when there are children in the home.

I guess the best thing for me to do is just shut up and not concern myself with others self destructive behavior; after all, it is your right.

Wishing you all good health and happiness this Christmas and New Year. God Bless you all.

Best Always, Love
Christine

Quote from: Dietlind on December 17, 2018, 02:35:53 PM
But your linked article says it all!  Our bodies don't know any cultural differences, a Korean liver is as good or bad in handling alcohol as is a German, French, Chinese, etc., or American liver!  They all gt destroyed by it!

Paradoxically, the projected life expectancy of S. Koreans is the longest in the world.

https://www.nature.com/news/life-expectancy-set-to-hit-90-in-south-korea-1.21535

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Quote from: barbie on December 17, 2018, 03:00:52 PM
Paradoxically, the projected life expectancy of S. Koreans is the longest in the world.

https://www.nature.com/news/life-expectancy-set-to-hit-90-in-south-korea-1.21535

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Because Korea has a very good public health service system, and not guns running rampage and killing young people, and thus dragging down the life expectancy rate in countries like the US.

As I said, I really like you Barbie, and I hope yous till can sport all those fashionable clothing items once you are an old woman  But no statistics will change anything about the facts that alcohol causes an irreparable dangerous liver condition.
And trying to find all kinds of excuses, why you are different from all the other people having a liver, is just lying to yourself.  You are not different, you are a human biological system (a very good looking one as such), and your system follows the very similar reactions of other biological systems when exposed to toxic substances!
No excuse or argument will change this, this is proven medical science!

QuoteI saw children horribly abused and neglected. Can anyone tell me when a child should be abused and neglected? I can answer my own question with one word: NEVER! But it happens on a regular basis, parents consuming alcohol in excess, using drugs, smoking when there are children in the home.

There is another cultural difference in drinking. Here in S. Korea (also N. Korea), there are strict social rules regarding drinking. Behaving badly while or after drinking will ostracize him or her. Of course, minor mistakes are allowed, but to be a leader in any group, you should behave soberly no matter how much you drink. In N. Korea, if anybody behaves badly while drinking with the dear leader, he would be punished severely (or even executed, according to some unverified rumors).

Thus, most teenagers here are encouraged to drink their first alcohol beverage with their parents or other aged people, because the habit of drinking is determined at that time. Of course, there are some people who become violent when they are drunken. Those people can not perform well in their workplace, as their colleagues and friends will avoid drinking together with them.

My kids like to play joke and confess their agonies while I drink at home. Also my kids exploit it, as my friends tend to give generous pocket money to my kids when they drink together with me. Happy drinking is the most important.



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So here we are talking about abusing a substance, that being Ethyl alcohol. Now, what do you people think of marijuana? It's very different considering the fact that it's a plant and not a chemical compound like our friend alcohol or other heavy drugs. In my experience, I find marijuana absolutely awesome if you know how to dose it, I mean, don't smoke too much and it can actually help you. Always when I do have the opportunity to smoke it(it's illegal here, sadly, so I hardly ever smoke it), it kills my depression and anxiety for several days. And that's after a single joint. Also what it does quite surprisingly is to cut my alcoholism completely, if I smoke even just a little bit, I simply can't drink anymore at all and, at least for me it doesn't induce me to continue using the substance until I'm out of it, like our friend ethanol does.  So, I mean, it's proven to be quite the medicinal plant for many illnesses, that is, if you know the right dose. 

Quote from: Dany on December 17, 2018, 08:31:47 PM
So here we are talking about abusing a substance, that being Ethyl alcohol. Now, what do you people think of marijuana? It's very different considering the fact that it's a plant and not a chemical compound like our friend alcohol or other heavy drugs. In my experience, I find marijuana absolutely awesome if you know how to dose it, I mean, don't smoke too much and it can actually help you. Always when I do have the opportunity to smoke it(it's illegal here, sadly, so I hardly ever smoke it), it kills my depression and anxiety for several days. And that's after a single joint. Also what it does quite surprisingly is to cut my alcoholism completely, if I smoke even just a little bit, I simply can't drink anymore at all and, at least for me it doesn't induce me to continue using the substance until I'm out of it, like our friend ethanol does.  So, I mean, it's proven to be quite the medicinal plant for many illnesses, that is, if you know the right dose.

Some people like yourself never become addicted to marajuana. Others are chronic users ie every week or every day - we have all met numerous chronic users.

I think the negative impact is obvious in the lives of chronic users.

Like any substance- no problem while you are the master. Big problem when the substance becomes the master.

   Kirsten x.


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Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on December 17, 2018, 08:44:23 PM
Some people like yourself never become addicted to marajuana. Others are chronic users ie every week or every day - we have all met numerous chronic users.

I think the negative impact is obvious in the lives of chronic users.

Like any substance- no problem while you are the master. Big problem when the substance becomes the master.

   Kirsten x.


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A very little know side effect with smoking marijuana is he toxicity/carcinogenicity of the smoke.  It is assumed that the smoke of pot has more toxic components than the smoke of cigarettes! 

QuoteAccording to the American Lung Association, smoking marijuana can be just as harmful to the lungs as smoking cigarettes, if not more so. First of all, marijuana smokers tend to inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer, which results in longer exposure to tar, a toxin from the smoke. In addition, some research indicates that marijuana smoke may potentially have more toxins and carcinogens in it than cigarette smoke, resulting in the potential for more damage to the lungs based on the smoke alone.

Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on December 17, 2018, 08:44:23 PM
Like any substance- no problem while you are the master. Big problem when the substance becomes the master.

Yes. As long as you can control it, no problem. A moderate amount of alcohol can be beneficial physically and mentally, and probably that is why alcohol consumption has survived in the human history.

There are many people who are genetically deficient in alcohol metabolism. My wife is one of them and she drives for me after I drink. She likes to have dinner together with my friends and their wives. She wishes to drink together, but she can not. Drink but keep sober. You should know your drinking capacity.

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Quote from: barbie on December 18, 2018, 05:18:10 AM
Yes. As long as you can control it, no problem. A moderate amount of alcohol can be beneficial physically and mentally, and probably that is why alcohol consumption has survived in the human history.

There are many people who are genetically deficient in alcohol metabolism. My wife is one of them and she drives for me after I drink. She likes to have dinner together with my friends and their wives. She wishes to drink together, but she can not. Drink but keep sober. You should know your drinking capacity.

barbie~~

Churchill said " I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me."
He died at age 90. He was a prolific drinker.

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Quote from: barbie on December 18, 2018, 05:18:10 AM
Yes. As long as you can control it, no problem. A moderate amount of alcohol can be beneficial physically and mentally, and probably that is why alcohol consumption has survived in the human history.

barbie~~

Yes, it is true, some alcohol consumption every day is healthier than no alcohol consumption.

But some is medically defined as two glasses of wine (or the equivalent amount of alcohol in other alcoholic beverages) for men, and one glass of wine for women.

Anything more makes alcohol to become a liver toxin, and a carcinogen for all the mucous membrane in it's path, including the stomach!
You stated that you have a version of chronic gastritis, and alcohol in conjunction with this health problem can clearly lead to cancer of the stomach or intestines!

Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on December 18, 2018, 05:40:51 AM
Churchill said " I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me."
He died at age 90. He was a prolific drinker.

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We can all find examples of people who lived for a long time even when they did everything to destroy themselves but that's the minority. Most people live longer if they live healthy without abusing anything.

My family had it's fair share of people who drank and smoked more than it was healthy and look, they are all dead now, before reaching the average lifespan in our country. I'm sure it was worth it.

Our whole society is trying to find the short way to happiness by using alcohol and drugs. What I find really strange that in this day and age it's still considered perfectly normal to be under the influence of something on a daily basis to escape the reality we ourselves made so unbearable that we need an escape.

I know myself enough to know that I would get addicted in a second to smoking, alcohol and drugs so I stay as far away from them as possible.

Quote from: Lynne on December 18, 2018, 07:25:14 AM
We can all find examples of people who lived for a long time even when they did everything to destroy themselves but that's the minority. Most people live longer if they live healthy without abusing anything.

My family had it's fair share of people who drank and smoked more than it was healthy and look, they are all dead now, before reaching the average lifespan in our country. I'm sure it was worth it.

Our whole society is trying to find the short way to happiness by using alcohol and drugs. What I find really strange that in this day and age it's still considered perfectly normal to be under the influence of something on a daily basis to escape the reality we ourselves made so unbearable that we need an escape.

I know myself enough to know that I would get addicted in a second to smoking, alcohol and drugs so I stay as far away from them as possible.

Good point,
                     Not many of us are anything like Churchill. I think a very good point you made about using substances for escapism.
Being substance free is the best way to get most out of life. Being substance free is liberating.
In fact being able to live effectively without MTF HRT would be a win for the natural approach. I tried stopping for 12 months and it was very difficult.
Estrogen is the only substance I regularly use.
Cigarettes and alchohol are too enjoyable (& too risky) to take on board.

Kind regsrds, Kirsten.

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