Quote from: ell on April 06, 2008, 07:54:36 PM

i like what you're saying here, Sheila. this fella is not helping the perception of trans folk at all.
but i also like Rebecca's remarks, because Letterman is such an arrogant, cruel, ass anyway, and has been for years.

-Ellie

I disagree that he isn't helping the perception of trans folk.  The current general perception of trans folk gives a very narrow view of what it is to be trans, that doesn't represent how a lot of trans people feel.  I am hoping this is the beginnings of a change in how trans people are portrayed in the media.

Quote from: Rebis on April 06, 2008, 10:09:23 PM

I know.  I was just playing.  Like I was going to rat you out for potty humor.

Posted on: April 07, 2008, 09:28:36 AM

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Quote from: Claire de Lune on April 07, 2008, 12:12:31 AM
I'm so glad someone caught that!   

Posted on: April 07, 2008, 09:30:35 AM

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Quote from: Lisbeth on April 07, 2008, 08:42:05 AM

Quote from: ell on April 06, 2008, 10:08:15 PM

Quote from: Rebis on April 06, 2008, 10:05:18 PM
I'm going to tell you said that, Ell.     

sorry! it's an old Beavis & Butthead joke.

Didn't have to tell.  I found it on my own.  Naughty girl!  *snicker*

Quote from: deviousxen on April 03, 2008, 11:32:58 PM

I honestly don't think him, Conan, and Leno are funny in the least. They're just narcissistic people with no sense of humor in the least who have a fan following other than people up late at night to watch porn or adult swim. I find the latter more respectable.

LOL couldn't agree more. Besides, they don't even write their own stuff so whatever's funny about them comes from a no-name ghostwriter anyway.

no-name ghostwriter anyway

Not true, it comes from rather large writing staffs - as did Steve Allen's stuff, Johnny Carson's stuff - pretty much everyone's stuff.  Conan wrote some of the best episodes of the Simpson's before he got a show.

After all - the TV does have an 'off' button.  Really of all the drugs in the world, TV is the worst.

Quote from: tekla on April 07, 2008, 10:39:03 AM
no-name ghostwriter anyway

Not true, it comes from rather large writing staffs - as did Steve Allen's stuff, Johnny Carson's stuff - pretty much everyone's stuff.  Conan wrote some of the best episodes of the Simpson's before he got a show.

After all - the TV does have an 'off' button.  Really of all the drugs in the world, TV is the worst.

"large writing staffs" dilute author vision and reek of mass-production. If I liked David's or Jay's or Conan's particular brand of humor I'd prefer them to write their jokes themselves and not just act them in front of a camera. We know they can, right? Besides, just because everyone has done it it doesn't mean it's ok imho. Opinions and tastes may vary, though.

I don't watch much TV myself by the way, I prefer the internet.

Quote from: Andra on April 07, 2008, 09:06:52 AM

Quote from: ell on April 06, 2008, 07:54:36 PM

i like what you're saying here, Sheila. this fella is not helping the perception of trans folk at all.
but i also like Rebecca's remarks, because Letterman is such an arrogant, cruel, ass anyway, and has been for years.

-Ellie

I disagree that he isn't helping the perception of trans folk.  The current general perception of trans folk gives a very narrow view of what it is to be trans, that doesn't represent how a lot of trans people feel.  I am hoping this is the beginnings of a change in how trans people are portrayed in the media.

oh, well, certainly. you can't expect the media to do right by you if they can't even tell the truth about Iraq during wartime!

but, i humbly disagree with you, my dear. it's a miracle, i'm a pregnant man is just too much, a sorry debut for FTM's, much like the sorry debut the media gave MTF's.

-Ellie

Quote from: ell on April 07, 2008, 12:07:23 PM

but, i humbly disagree with you, my dear. it's a miracle, i'm a pregnant man is just too much, a sorry debut for FTM's, much like the sorry debut the media gave MTF's.

-Ellie

Not so bad for the less normative and/or non-binary trans people though.

Quote from: Andra on April 07, 2008, 12:24:24 PM

Quote from: ell on April 07, 2008, 12:07:23 PM

but, i humbly disagree with you, my dear. it's a miracle, i'm a pregnant man is just too much, a sorry debut for FTM's, much like the sorry debut the media gave MTF's.

-Ellie

Not so bad for the less normative and/or non-binary trans people though.

Hmm. how so?

Quote from: ell on April 07, 2008, 01:37:30 PM

Quote from: Andra on April 07, 2008, 12:24:24 PM

Quote from: ell on April 07, 2008, 12:07:23 PM

but, i humbly disagree with you, my dear. it's a miracle, i'm a pregnant man is just too much, a sorry debut for FTM's, much like the sorry debut the media gave MTF's.

-Ellie

Not so bad for the less normative and/or non-binary trans people though.

Hmm. how so?

They don't care to uphold that a self-identified man shouldn't have babies like more gender-normative transpeople.

Quote from: ell on April 07, 2008, 01:37:30 PM

Hmm. how so?

Because the more the media portray all trans people as fitting into a certain mold the harder it is for anybody who doesn't fit that mold to be taken seriously.  Publicity for his situation doesn't make people more likely to understand mine (as I'm not an FTM and dont want to give birth), but publicity for less normative trans people means people are less likely to think they can know everything about a specific transsexual/transgender person because they saw a documentary on the telly once.

I'm with Andra.


    I want to throw the mold down and smash it into one hundred billion pieces and then grind it into dust then fling it off into space.

    The more that the genpop understands we are NOT all the same, the better off we will be.

Quote from: tekla on April 07, 2008, 10:39:03 AM
After all - the TV does have an 'off' button.  Really of all the drugs in the world, TV is the worst.

Soma = sofa.

The creed I live with is simply as long as no one is harmed people can do what ever they want. No sense in trying to catalog and control people.

Quote from: Rebis on April 07, 2008, 02:51:14 PM

I'm with Andra.


    I want to throw the mold down and smash it into one hundred billion pieces and then grind it into dust then fling it off into space.

    The more that the genpop understands we are NOT all the same, the better off we will be.

Agreed. Seconded.

And when we're at it (not sarcastic... Lol) we should force the covert organizations of the governments highest points to book a show on Jerry Springer for an Extra Terrestrial Grey. That way, the dumb ones die of heart attacks and our gene pool can once again rid itself of trailer trash/rich suburb nonsense.

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I CAN DREAM, CAN'T I? Its a comforting thought! These let me chuckle and fall asleep at night. Besides... It would only speed up the inevitable, when the same folk check gas cans for flooding with a cigarette lighter.

Quote from: tekla on April 06, 2008, 06:14:02 PM
No way, they get whatever comes next, and everyone should be aware of the cost of publicity.  When you make the private public, then all bets are off.

Perhaps I misunderstand you, but this reads to me like anyone who "comes out" and then gets attacked (Matthew Shepard is one example) is only getting what they asked for.

Do I misunderstand you? "Coming out" is making the private public.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on April 08, 2008, 03:38:21 PM

Quote from: tekla on April 06, 2008, 06:14:02 PM
No way, they get whatever comes next, and everyone should be aware of the cost of publicity.  When you make the private public, then all bets are off.

Perhaps I misunderstand you, but this reads to me like anyone who "comes out" and then gets attacked (Matthew Shepard is one example) is only getting what they asked for.

Do I misunderstand you? "Coming out" is making the private public.

no, Tekla meant becoming a "public figure", such as going on nationwide television. the process causes the person to surrender much of their right to privacy.

Quote from: ell on April 08, 2008, 03:49:38 PM

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on April 08, 2008, 03:38:21 PM

Quote from: tekla on April 06, 2008, 06:14:02 PM
No way, they get whatever comes next, and everyone should be aware of the cost of publicity.  When you make the private public, then all bets are off.

Perhaps I misunderstand you, but this reads to me like anyone who "comes out" and then gets attacked (Matthew Shepard is one example) is only getting what they asked for.

Do I misunderstand you? "Coming out" is making the private public.

no, Tekla meant becoming a "public figure", such as going on nationwide television. the process causes the person to surrender much of their right to privacy.

Oh, OK. Thanks for the clarification. I miss the obvious sometimes.

If your Ed, the guy down the street, and want to pay some hooker to have pornographic sex while you watch and pleasure yourself - it ain't my business.  If your Jimmy Swaggart, and your on TV, day after day, telling everyone their going to hell in a handbag for such things, and they should send you money and your doing it - that's front page news, just like you wanted all your pronouncements to be front page news. 

If your my neighbor, I have no right, or need, to see your tax returns, and find out where you're making all your money.  If your running for public office, I do.

The Mathew Shepard case was not about him coming out, it was a cold blooded, pre-meditated act.  Shepard did not 'come out' to these two, rather they posed as gay men hoping to find someone to attack and rob.