Hello Everyone

You may recall that in May and August I compiled previous tables on BT Results.

So once again I invite anyone that wishes to provide with their E and T Blood Test results after either 3/4 months or after 6/7 months or after 9/10 months, please do so on this thread please and I shall happily add you to the table(s). Please state whether you are providing International or US Units and I shall happily convert accordingly as the table provides both for comparison purposes.

I am doing this exercise in May, August and November 2018 and February 2019 just to see if there are any statistical trends we may see; I accept we may not see anything more than coincidence especially since I do not possess (and I do not wish to possess) details of dosage. Anyone may inform me but only if they wish of their medication name but not dosage of course. I do not wish any table to be regarded in any way as "League" or "Performance" table.

The current tables are as follows:


                                   HRT Blood Test Results after 3 or 4 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                       922                  251               1.6              46

Sarah                         297                    81               1.1              32

Devlyn                       338                    92                4.8            140

Deborah                     261                    71                5.5            158

Kathy                         698                  190                0.2                6

Tonya                         224                    61                5.4            156

Katie                          364                     99               0.2                6

Kaitylynn                    220                     60               3.8             110

Allison                       1178                   321                1.6              47

Charlie Nicki                173                    47                5.3             154

Sadie                        2577                   702               0.4               12
   
KayXo                         974                   265               1.5               43

Casady                        821                  224                4.2             121

Kirsten                        915                   249               0.8               23

Sarahthenerd               202                     55             12.6             365

VickiMI                        206                     56               0.2                 6

Soph                           278                     76               5.9             170

Kendra                          92                     25              21               595



                                   HRT Blood Test Results after 6 or 7 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                      1662                   453             2.4              69

Sarah                         349                    95               0.4              12

Devlyn                        720                   196               1.8              53

Deborah                     430                   117               4.2            120

Kathy                         303                     83              0.5               14

Tonya                         268                    73                1.1              32

Katie                          254                     69               0.2                5.8

Kaitylynn                    162                     44               1.0               30

Allison                         826                   225             <0.1             <2.5

Charlie Nicki                213                     58               2.6              74

Sadie                        1296                   353               0.4               12

Casady                      1067                   291               3.1               90

Kirsten                       422                    115               0.4               12

Kendra                       147                      40               5                 142       


                                   HRT Blood Test Results after 9 or 10 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                       TBD                  TBD               0.7             20

Kathy                         193                    53               3.3              95

Charlie Nicki                334                    91               0.4              11

Sadie                          826                   225              0.6              17

Kirsten                        736                    200              0.5               14



May I thank all those ladies who have already supplied their figures for me.

Hugs to you all

Pamela

The current tables are as follows:


                                   HRT Blood Test Results after 3 or 4 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                       922                  251               1.6              46

Sarah                         297                    81               1.1              32

Devlyn                       338                    92                4.8            140

Deborah                     261                    71                5.5            158

Kathy                         698                  190                0.2                6

Tonya                         224                    61                5.4            156

Katie                          364                     99               0.2                6

Kaitylynn                    220                     60               3.8             110

Allison                       1178                   321                1.6              47

Charlie Nicki                173                    47                5.3             154

Sadie                        2577                   702               0.4               12
   
KayXo                         974                   265               1.5               43

Casady                        821                  224                4.2             121

Kirsten                        915                   249               0.8               23

Sarahthenerd               202                     55             12.6             365

VickiMI                        206                     56               0.2                 6

Soph                           278                     76               5.9             170

Kendra                          92                     25              21               595

Marcie                          371                  101                -                  -



                                   HRT Blood Test Results after 6 or 7 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                      1662                   453             2.4              69

Sarah                         349                    95               0.4              12

Devlyn                        720                   196               1.8              53

Deborah                     430                   117               4.2            120

Kathy                         303                     83              0.5               14

Tonya                         268                    73                1.1              32

Katie                          254                     69               0.2                5.8

Kaitylynn                    162                     44               1.0               30

Allison                         826                   225             <0.1             <2.5

Charlie Nicki                213                     58               2.6              74

Sadie                        1296                   353               0.4               12

Casady                      1067                   291               3.1               90

Kirsten                       422                    115               0.4               12

Kendra                       147                      40               5                 142

Marcie                        184                      50               -                   -


                                   HRT Blood Test Results after 9 or 10 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                       TBD                  TBD               0.7             20

Kathy                         193                    53               3.3              95

Charlie Nicki                334                    91               0.4              11

Sadie                          826                   225              0.6              17

Kirsten                        736                   200              0.5              14

Kendra                        698                   190              0.6              18

Marcie                         516                   140              0.3                9


Any more BT results may either be sent to me by PM or listed as a post on this thread and I shall happily add to the tables. Thank you ladies.

Hugs

Pamela 

results 26/11/18 - 10 months

Katie's BT Results

Serum testosterone level < 0.2 nmol/L [8.3 - 27.8]

Serum oestradiol level 223 pmol/L [95.0 - 223.0]

so dropped from last tests despite increase of dosage

luv n hugz

Katie

Nov 26th


Katie has posted me her results which I shall shortly add to the table.

Thank you Katie and sorry your E level has fallen but at least there is only a minimal drop.

Wishing you well and sending love.

Hugs

Pamela  xx

fgsb's BT results - 4 months

Finally got my 4 month results back!!!

I started at (07/06/2018) T= 346 and E= 23

After 120 days (11/01/2018), I am at T= 37.3 and E= 116.6

Going to be 38 in December


fgsb has posted me her results which I shall shortly add to the 4 month table.

Thank you fgsb and sending hugs to you.

Pamela  xx

Veracious Valerie's BT results - 4 months

I have been o HRT for 4 months now.
1st month was just a low dose of E.
2nd month doubled my E.
3rd month started Spiro.
5th month. In a week I go back in to talk about my latest blood results. Here they are...

Day -10(Days before starting any meds) Aug 09th
Testosterone=392 ng/dL
Estradiol=17 pg/mL

Day 30 Sep 19th
Testosterone=201 ng/dL
Estradiol=58 pg/mL

Day 109 Dec 7th
Testosterone=48 ng/dL
Estradiol=145 pg/mL

I am 37. Turn 38 on International women day (March 8th) 
We are very similar. That is nice to see.


Veracious Valerie has posted me her results which I shall shortly add to the 4 month table.

Thank you Veracious Valerie and sending hugs to you.

Pamela  xx

The current 9/10 Month table is as below.


                                  HRT Blood Test Results after 9 or 10 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                       442                  120               0.7             20

Kathy                         193                    53               3.3              95

Katie                          223                    61               0.2               5.8

Charlie Nicki                334                    91               0.4              11

Sadie                          826                   225              0.6              17

Casady                       688                   187              3.6              104

Kirsten                        736                   200              0.5              14

Kendra                        698                   190              0.6              18

Marcie                         516                   140              0.3                9


Several participants did not have a reading taken after 9/10 months but had to wait till after 12/13 months

Any more BT results may either be sent to me by PM or listed as a post on this thread and I shall happily add to the tables. Thank you ladies.

Hugs

Pamela 

Hello again

I was just wondering if any of you dear girls would like to let me know their E and T Blood Test results please.

I invite anyone that wishes to provide with their E and T Blood Test results after either 3/4 months or after 6/7 months or after 9/10 months, please do so on this thread please and I shall happily add you to the table(s). Please state whether you are providing International or US Units and I shall happily convert accordingly as the table provides both for comparison purposes.

I know from experience that many of you have Blood Tests after 3/4 then 6/7 then 12/13 months thus omitting the 9/10 month period.

May I also take this opportunity of wishing those kind ladies. who have already contributed or who will contribute to this Comparison Exercise, a very happy Christmas. May you achieve all your transition goals.

Thanking you and Hugs to all

Pamela  xx

Hello Everyone

Joanna Jones CD has provided this very informative comment on her thread "Estrodiol and Bicalutamide" which I am copying to this thread. The numbers she refers to are US units:


"Thanks Pamela for your link.  It is very interesting.  The overall data gives us a definitive direction of the numbers when looking at the averages of all of the girls combined over time.

When taking Estrodiol orally and someone wants to have a clearer picture of their own data sets, from my research it does make a big difference when these tests are done in relation to the last dosage.  I am hoping my own E numbers mimic the predictability charts.  I am going to always have my tests done 3.5 hours after taking my dosage of E.  That should then give me a 200 ng/dL.   (Plus an unknown slight increase of E from the effects of bica added to the 200.) From what I understand, bica will also raise your E levels somewhat just by itself.  The reason why I want my number to be around 200, is to make sure my doctor is happy with my goal.  If I did the test after two hours, my E number would be around 400, and he would insist that I take less.  If I waited to take the test 12 hours after my last dosage, he would probably start giving me to much of a dosage.

The larger difference of numbers between each girl I think is because of the time of last dosage.  For instance, if you were to take 2 mg Estrodiol sublingual, 1 hour later you should have a E test reading around 800.  If a test done 8 hours later in the day after last dosage, you could only expect 90-100 or so, 12 hours it could be 70 or lower.  T levels too are determined at time of day.  If you take the blood test early in the day vs in the afternoon, it would make a big difference since the production of T is at its highest first thing in the morning.

I think the key in a good data set, is just make sure your testing is done at the same time during the day for all tests.  Therefore comparing the results from each blood test is more accurate in trying to achieving the direction of the numbers, as oppose the numbers themselves."

Thank you Joanna for this.

Hugs to all

Pamela


Any more girls wish to provide E&T results for 3/4 or 6/7 or 9/10 Months please? Thank you

Following

Hi Pamela, I just had my second blood test ever
I am post orchi and take micronized progesterone and estradiol with buccal absorption. In US units

T: <3
E: 1237 (this was less than 2 hours after taking my pill)

Thank you Jenny and I note you expect to let me have your 3 month BT results for E&T in due course as you started HRT in December.

Thank you Josie and I note your information and BT results after 22 months HRT.

Hugs

Pamela

Sarahthenerd and Katie Ellen have recently provided their 6 months BT results for which I thank them.

Herewith latest 6/7 months table:

                                 HRT Blood Test Results after 6 or 7 Months


                               E (Intnl)            E (US)       T (Intnl)       T (US)

Pamela                      1662                   453             2.4              69

Sarah                         349                    95               0.4              12

Devlyn                        720                   196               1.8              53

Deborah                     430                   117               4.2            120

Kathy                         303                     83              0.5               14

Tonya                         268                    73                1.1              32

Katie                          254                     69               0.2                5.8

Kaitylynn                    162                     44               1.0               30

Allison                         826                   225             <0.1             <2.5

Charlie Nicki                213                     58               2.6              74

Sadie                        1296                   353               0.4               12

Casady                      1067                   291               3.1               90

Kirsten                       422                    115               0.4               12

Sarahthenerd              202                      55              13.8             399

Kendra                       147                      40               5                 142

Marcie                        184                      50               -                   -

Katie Ellen                  551                     150              12.5             362



Hugs

Pamela

9 Month results in U.S. values.

E 60
T 12

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

My last labs (US) after I quit taking an aromatace inhibitor (Which my Endo prescribed because I was complaining how I wasn't liking how I felt trying to "male up" with Testosterone)

Estrogen 130 pg/mL

Oops... Hit the wrong key.   *Note all my labs are post orchiectomy.  I never took spiro.

I don't have any post HRT labs yet.  I only went "legit" with my Endo a fairly short time ago so the next ones will be the first to show how they look with just a tiny amount of Testosterone and the first where I'm using estrogel.

I don't have post HRT labs yet but here are my latest labs after I had stopped taking an Aromatase inhibitor which was squashing my estrogen levels.  I was still taking male levels of testosterone.   Estrogen 130 pg/mL      Testosterone 596 ng/dL   *Note I started feeling better when my E2 levels tripled and this was when I made up my mind to quit trying to "male up" and try dialing down the testosterone and start taking Estrogen.

My labs when I was taking an aromatase inhibitor and where I felt "wrong"  Zero sex drive, binary emotions (Angry or nothing) but mostly depression were Estrogen 42 pg/mL  (Normal male  range 60-190?)  Testosterone 620 ng/dL (Normal male range 250-1100?) 

Somewhere I have labs after having Prostate cancer surgery where I wasn't allowed to take testosterone for a year and didn't have the guts to insist on estrogen therapy.  This was probably the worst mix of all.  Awful...

Quote from: josie76 on January 09, 2019, 04:17:39 AM
Hi Pamela, I just had my second blood test ever
I am post orchi and take micronized progesterone and estradiol with buccal absorption. In US units

T: <3
E: 1237 (this was less than 2 hours after taking my pill)

I haven't talked to my endo about progesterone and know next to nothing.  Can you say anything about that as to why and how it works for you?

Hello again Jane

I am so happy you have found the right path with Estrogen.

I note you don't have any post HRT BT results as yet but please free to let me know them after 3/4 months if you wish.

Thanking you and Hugs

Pamela

I don't have a date yet for my first post HRT labs but I'm happy to put out some numbers.  I know dose info is not allowed but I do have to say I'm really curious about how they get the results they do.   For example transdermal gels versus pills or injections. 

Thanking you back for doing this and hugs to you as well.

Quote from: JanePlain on January 19, 2019, 08:08:06 PM
I know dose info is not allowed but I do have to say I'm really curious about how they get the results they do.

I wish we could talk about dosage here. I honestly believe that the rule of not doing so, so that others won't be able to self medicate is being blind to reality. There is plenty of other sources on the web that do talk about dose that this is not a hindrance to those who choose to self medicate.

Yes, I guess I agree and truth is I guess the answers for doses etc really are everywhere so maybe this is one place to not have that so that people know self medicating is not a good idea.   It was probably this rule that made me fess up to my doctor.  Which while scary (Until I did it and found out I have the coolest doctor)