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Upside Down.. or is it right side up?

Started by Jeal, January 15, 2019, 12:56:59 PM

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Jeal

So, after half a life time of longing and repression, and a year of intense soul searching and radical self acceptance I've hit a few milestones.  I've come out as a transgender woman to my closest friends and family and a few co workers.  I am seeing a gender therapist and considering HRT. I am taking small strides in feminization.  No more beard, starting electrolysis, wearing jewelry and doing my nails.  Form fitting more androgynous clothes.

Sometimes, I feel like an entirely different and better person... "Gender Euphoria!  WEEEE!"
Sometimes, I get quite scared... "OMG, I am going to take hormones and go crazy and die from liver disease or get attacked"
Sometimes I am overwhelmed with regret and the unfairness of it all.. "if only I DID something when I was younger! I shouldn't have to DO all of this"
Sometimes, I feel very confused... " Why are my nails long with blue nail polish? Who AM I??"

I feel so much more worried about my appearance (a smaller waist, clearer skin, hair, clothes that are tighter and form fitting)
I frequently notice how men look in a very different way.  I have had attractions to men before, but it was something I would notice once every few years and quickly dismiss.  Now it is happening sometimes once a week.  It doesn't feel bad, just STRANGE, like I am high on a mind altering drug.
I rarely get turned on by women anymore.  I just feel envy, or a relational attraction, not a sexual one.  I used to think I was a pervert falling for every dame I met.  Now I think I am just looking to be accepted/embraced as one of the tribe.  I have NO IDEA what my sexual orientation is really.  LIMBO
It is really emotionally painful to select MR. on forms, or to buy male clothing.  At my work they bought us logo'd t-shirts and jeackets and I ordered femme ones, which I am too embarrassed to actually wear in public, but I just could select male.
It seems like now I know WHY a bunch of things bother me, my reaction is worse rather than better. (being treated like a guy, my name, the clothes I 'have' to wear', Mr., Daddy, body hair, particularly on my hands and face and chest)  I've never liked looking at pictures of myself, except a few from my teen years (when I had long flowy hair, a soft face,  ear rings and no facial hair).  Now I had to ask my wife to remove most of our family portraits because they felt like they were everywhere staring at me.
My beautiful wife is very very hard to be around.  She embodies everything I want.  I don't think I was ever in love with HER, but with an image of what I wanted to be.  I do love her now (after 15 years one would hope so), but in an unfamiliar way that feels at once healthier and scarily non-intense.
Most of the time I want to be called by my female name and pronouns(although mostly I am too embarrassed to ask), and sometimes it feels confusing. One time I will be called 'maam' or 'she' and it will feel GREAT, another time, it is jarring.

In short, it seems like acceptance has created MORE dysphoria rather than less. I guess this makes sense.  I am not in denial so there is more pressure to ACT and be authentic, but I have to work against years of conditioning and habit so it is uncomfortable.  And of course, sometimes I get hit by a wall of doubt and "WHAT AM I DOING". I would kind of like to feel a bit less up and down and more balanced. 

What am I looking for with this thread?  I think I need some 'me too', some encouragement that it will get better (or worse and then better, be honest :D).  Advice on creating balance and patience with the process.  Probably, I just want to feel like someone other than my therapist and my cousin hear what is hammering at my heart and mind.  I think that last part is mostly it.  I feel like I spend far too much time alone with my thoughts.  Journaling is nice, but sometimes I feel rather invisible.

Thank you for reading, and peace and love to you!

Jael







Trans-cendental Musings Blog and Art:
https://jaelpw.wixsite.com/website


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KathyLauren

I think most of us can give you a "me too" on most of what you mentioned.  It does seem overwhelming at first, and the doubt monster ("Eek, what have I done?!!") hits just about all of us.

I can't say I have shared your experience with discovering my sexual orientation.  In my case, my orientation was always clear - I am attracted to women - but it was an eye opener to finally understand that my motivation is pretty low.  I now consider myself primarily asexual, with lesbian tendencies.  Each of us comes up with a different result, but the process of discovering our orientation and learning that it may not have been what we thought it was is one that many of us share.

Regret over not starting sooner...  I think we all have this to some degree.  I am 64, so I could let it get to me.  That is a lot of water under the bridge.  But I prefer to concentrate on enjoying the time I have left.

We do get more aware of some f our dysphoria as we gradually emerge from years of suppression.  Just deal with each one as it comes up, one step at a time.

It takes patience.  How to get patience?  I guess by taking one step at a time.  Just figure out what is the next step, and  take it.  Don't waste time, or you will make yourself impatient, but take the time to consider each step carefully. 

You will be fine.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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tgirlamg

Hi Jeal and... Welcome aboard sister!!!


From my perspective, further down the path, You sound like you are exactly where you should be in all this... asking all the questions you are supposed to be asking... having all the fears that come with this journey... contemplating the meaning of it all... investing in the hopes that your decisions will take you to where you want to be in life but, fearing that perhaps they won't...so...

My advice is take heart... and rejoice!!!... You are exactly where you should be and... doing what you should be doing...knowing that, offers you a wonderful opportunity to lay the worries that you are not where you should be aside... That frees you up to enjoy the process of making your life into what you want and need it to be... Focus not on some hazy destination but enjoy the joys of discovery, the opportunities and the lessons in each step little sister...

Amazing things await... Fear not... All shall be well 🙏

Onward we go brave sister

Ashley 🙋‍♀️💕🌻
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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jkredman

Hi Jeal:

Welcome! 

The cool thing about this forum, is we've all been there, and many of us are here now!

My earliest memory of something being 'wrong' with me goes back to about age three when my parents would bathe me and my sister together.

Then there was the cross dressing.  Then there was the terrible abuse in middle school & high school because I was different.  Then there was the years of trying to live up to  my role as AMAB (Assigned Male at Birth.). Yet also during those years were relationships with women that would somehow see me as a 'girlfriend'.

Then finally, realizing my coping mechanisms were destroying my health and the acceptance of what I always knew - I may have an 'Assigned Male Body at Birth' but my head & my heart are female.

Yes, I delayed my acceptance because of decisions I made throughout my life.  I married a bisexual woman.  We parented 3 lovely & wonderful daughters.  She left me for another woman.  I remarried, and then 25 years latter detonated the nuclear weapon in the relationship by accepting that I'm a woman trapped in a body with a penis.  She's struggling.

I also did, and am doing, the 'soul searching' and counseling. I'm now on HRT.  All I can say is that I've now found peace with myself.  That's all I ever wanted.  Going forward, my transition is a day by day experience.  I no longer have any preconceived notions of where it will lead me.

Your fears are a normal & necessary part of the journey.

I can't tell you what your outcome will be.  I can say 'the journey begins with a single step.'  Embrace your journey where ever it may lead.  The goal is to live your authentic and true self. 

I can say my limited experience of living my authentic & true self is so much happier than what I previously lived - I'm not turning back.

Kate


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Kate
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LizK

Hi Jeal

Welcome aboard its a great place with great people....I read you post and can relate to many of the things you describe...We all have those "hindsight's" you refer to and certainly many wish they had been younger when they started (including me) but our journeys are uniquely our own to discover and go forward with when we are able to do so.


Take care
Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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pamelatransuk

Hello again Jael

I understand that there comes a point where it can no longer be repressed as it too dominant.

I have known I am trans since the age of 4 and have crossdressed and bodyshaved all my adult life and buried and suppressed so many times till at the age of 62 in 2017 I had a choice of seeking therapy followed by HRT or remaining depressed and aggravated for the rest of my life; I chose the former and I will publicly transition later this year.

I understand the longing, the thoughts on your body, no photos or mirrors and looking at women from an envious point of view.

So definitely it is indeed "me too".

I wish you resolution and happiness whichever route you choose to take.

Hugs

Pamela


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Faith

with regard to 'things getting worse, bothering you more' .... resounding YES. I had years of repressed (ok, not so repressed) anger and depression. Once I hit that magic moment of realization it had a target. All of it went towards it. So, lots of aspects of my life became easier, right, relaxed. The others .. got all if it.

It will settle down as you come to terms with yourself. I read nothing in your post out of the ordinary as I experienced it. Even the envy brought on by looking at your wife, I did the same. That will fade, love will take over again, don't fret. Try not to do anything stupid in the mean time :P
I left the door open, only a few came through. such is my life.
Bluesky:@faithnd.bsky.social

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Jeal

Quote from: Faith on January 16, 2019, 09:01:01 AMTry not to do anything stupid in the mean time :P
Thank you Faith!

This gave me a good laugh.  It is so true.  I am a bit of a raw nerve and need to take lots of time to process and cope so I can be a decent human being to be around.  That said, I am making lots of new friends and deepening relationships. The truth is like a magic weapon that can free me, but it can also hurt others if I am not sensitive to their feeligns and needs . A great reminder =D
Trans-cendental Musings Blog and Art:
https://jaelpw.wixsite.com/website


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Jeal

Quote from: pamelatransuk on January 16, 2019, 08:52:51 AM
I had a choice of seeking therapy followed by HRT or remaining depressed and aggravated for the rest of my life

Pamela,

Thank you, this describes how I feel.  I was talking with my therapist last night, she had me talking about what I wanted, and I realized I just wanted to spend more time with my kids and friends and feel at ease, at home.  Too many years of closeting myself with art as an outlet has made me a good painter, but not a happy person.
Trans-cendental Musings Blog and Art:
https://jaelpw.wixsite.com/website


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Jeal

Quote from: LizK on January 16, 2019, 04:47:45 AM
...We all have those "hindsight's" you refer to and certainly many wish they had been younger when they started (including me)

Liz,

I am coming to the terms with the fact that I did the best I could.  I think the age I am at is when most people really start getting themselves (forties). 'Mid-life crisis' is used as a pejorative in our culture, but I see it happening in my friends in other aspects of their life, and though it is hard, it it can be for the better.  I hope I can navigate it all with grace and acceptance.
Trans-cendental Musings Blog and Art:
https://jaelpw.wixsite.com/website


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Jeal

Quote from: jkredman on January 15, 2019, 11:53:19 PM
Then finally, realizing my coping mechanisms were destroying my health and the acceptance of what I always knew - I may have an 'Assigned Male Body at Birth' but my head & my heart are female.

Kate,

this really speaks to me.  I was addicted to surfing, video games and alcohol for years.  I got by.  I still like those things, but they don't have a compulsive need much anymore, unless I am feeling really unglued.  I am making better choices, taking acre of myself.  It is a good feeling ;)
Trans-cendental Musings Blog and Art:
https://jaelpw.wixsite.com/website


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Jeal

Quote from: tgirlamg on January 15, 2019, 09:13:32 PM
My advice is take heart... and rejoice!!!

Ashley,

thank you for your encouragement and warmth. My heart is glowing reading what you have to say.  I hope to be as kind and warm as you :)
Trans-cendental Musings Blog and Art:
https://jaelpw.wixsite.com/website


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Jeal

Quote from: KathyLauren on January 15, 2019, 05:00:04 PM
We do get more aware of some of our dysphoria as we gradually emerge from years of suppression.  Just deal with each one as it comes up, one step at a time.

Kathy,

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I think there was an expectation when I first accepted that I am transgender that *BAM* it would be like enlightenment, but it is more like the beginning, arriving at the foot of a mountain.  But hey, at least I got to the mountain =D
Trans-cendental Musings Blog and Art:
https://jaelpw.wixsite.com/website


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Wendi

Quote from: jkredman on January 15, 2019, 11:53:19 PM

I can't tell you what your outcome will be.  I can say 'the journey begins with a single step.'  Embrace your journey where ever it may lead.  The goal is to live your authentic and true self. 


Kate



I like that advice.
Started HRT 1/3/2019



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Athenajacob

Quote from: Jeal on January 16, 2019, 12:36:56 PM
Pamela,

Thank you, this describes how I feel.  I was talking with my therapist last night, she had me talking about what I wanted, and I realized I just wanted to spend more time with my kids and friends and feel at ease, at home.  Too many years of closeting myself with art as an outlet has made me a good painter, but not a happy person.

Thank you for your reply to my post prior by the way; I saw a gender therapist and had a productive conversation with my wife last night. I also received a referral from her for an HRT doctor who would go over what the process means, risks, etc. that I would be happy to share with you if helpful (I saw you mentioned liver disease as a concern) feel free to PM me of you want; there also is a trans medical conference Sunday in Irvine if you happen to be near by.

Moving on though to why I quoted the above, your painting (I assume your avatar picture was painted by you?) is very lovely, and I can understand how using creativity as an outlet can be a way to cope (I play piano and compose music), but it unfortunately can not solve everything.

When wife says things like "you want to b a woman" it makes me feel guilty and like I need to reassure that no I'm just confused and I'll just be an AMAB, but what she tells me she is doing is trying to get used to it—so she is being accepting in her own way. And so I totally get how acceptance, or to me more the appearance of it, seems dyspeptic—perhaps you doubt it a bit? I know I do; I feel like since I don't look how I feel how can anyone say "she" to me and actually be serious and. It just sort of trying to help but not in a credulous way.

You seem like a lovely person and that you are on your way to a healthy life though. It's hard when you have a woman and a family and I often wish I had known more as a teen; my life would be different, but we are where we are and have to choose to leap even though there is a ceritude of pain—and relief and empowerment all wrapped up in a process that seems unbelievable all together.

But I am seeing it can be done and that we can come out on the other side somehow.

Much love, and I know you will do great!
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Jeal

Thank you Athena for all your empathy and your offer of support.  I have an appointment this Wednesday, so maybe we can compare notes!  If you need anything, feel free to message me as well!

It sounds like your wife is trying to be supportive, as is mine.  I feel more accepting of where she's at now, particularly because in the end what I am really mad at in part is how her incredulity matches my own doubts.  Projection :D  It feels like as I am getting more confident and feeling more whole with who I am, that I am getting triggered less over that, or when I get shy of presenting feminine and slipping the mask back on I am not beating myself up over it so much.  In fact, the urge to dress more feminine and do HRT is less intense - not that I don't still want those things, but I am being more patient with myself and giving myself time to get there.

The conference sounds interesting, but it is a bit of a drive for me.  I am sort of a homebody, so anything more than an hour away might as well be in Alaska :D

love,

Jael
Trans-cendental Musings Blog and Art:
https://jaelpw.wixsite.com/website


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