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Orgasm Loss Postop GCS

Started by New2Brooke65, January 17, 2019, 10:22:27 AM

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New2Brooke65

Hi!  I'm 23 months post-op GCS with Meltzer & Ley in Scottsdale, AZ.  I am 50.  I am in reasonably good athletic shape; I do circuit training 1x-2x/week, run 2x-3x/week, and yoga and sometimes pilates 1x/week.

I have had significant erogenous stimulation loss post-op, so much so that I have come nowhere close to orgasming since that surgery.  I have friends who have been able to orgasm practically from the moment they finished GCS - including Meltzer, Suporn, et.al.  I also have friends who took 24 months post-op GCS (including Meltzer, Suporn, et.al.) before their first orgasm.

While I am disappointed, I am also hopeful though not with much basis.

Prior to GCS (February 2017), I had good physiological results and amazing erogenous results with HRT (begun March 2015 using exclusively injectable estradiol, and no progesterone or antiandrogen).  [With estradiol alone, my T crashed to the teens.]  As HRT progressed, I developed small A-cup breast tissue (along with other desired secondary effects, including some improvement in my hip-to-waist ratio, although as expected given my age little or nothing in the way of hip development).  The breast tissue was exquisitely sensitive around the nipples, and became a source of incredibly pleasurable erogenous stimulation.  My penis and gonads shrank.  My ability to ejaculate disappeared (thankfully).  But I began to experience a different, wave-like, whole-body shaking, warm-feeling orgasm.  Amazingly, the area at the base of the penis became significantly more erogenous.  I thought to myself that I had finally begun to experience something much closer to true female orgasm.

Unfortunately, my experience with sex following GCS fell way short of what I had hoped might be even better and more in line with my hopes. 

The vaginaplasty surgery went well, with one scare over a urinary catheter blockage.  I had perineal ripping that took something like 8-12 weeks to finally heal.  And I had mild but persistent granulation that took something like 8 months to finally heal up with silver nitrate.  My labiaplasty surgery went somewhat better.  Again, some granulation.  I should also mention that I had breast implants done during the same operation as my vaginaplasty.  None of this stuff is unusual.  And I believe my recoveries went reasonably well.

Following my vaginaplasty and breast augmentation, my endocrinologist switched me from 1ml/week <dosage removed> estradiol injections prior to GCS to <dosage removed> estradiol pills post GCS to reflect the removal of my testes.  My endo also felt that at about age 50, my estrogen levels should reflect my age being that of a post-menopausal woman.  He worried that estrogen would raise my risks of cancer, based on recent studies and nothing specific to me.  My estrogen levels dropped to 22, which is very low even for post-menopausal women (something like 32 is normal, it was explained to me).  And this massive estrogen drop-off occurred at the outset of my healing process, which I fear may have affected my neuronal reconstruction and healing.  (That said, I am no scientist, so my surmise may be nothing more than uninformed.)

Since GCS and BA, I have sensation in the vulva and breast regions – touch, pressure, and temperature.  My mons pubis provides some pleasurable stimulation.  My clitoris is somewhat stimulatable.  I even seem to have some good feeling emanating from the classic G-spot area in the vaginal canal, particularly when I am moving a dildo back and forth not very deep.  When my spouse presses her hand between my clothed thighs into my crotch, I even feel something tantalizingly but fleetingly wild and erogenous, but even when it carries over into sex, it never climaxes with a proverbial happy ending.  Unfortunately, since BA, my nipples and aureolas no longer cause any sort of arousal or even something anticipatory.

Essentially, since GCS, both masturbation by myself and stimulation by my partner have failed to bring me anywhere close to orgasm.  I have tried self-touch (slow to fast), dildo and vibrator.  I have tried to stimulate orgasm focusing on clitoris, vagina, and both.  (Even post-GCS, I don't enjoy anal penetration, so it's really not an option for me.)  I have viewed soft pornography (nude pictures of men, nude pictures of women, man-and-woman intercourse, woman-and-woman intercourse).  I have tried mindful meditation in conjunction with masturbation.  I have read books and articles and watched videos (e.g., Kinsey Institute) on lesbian sex and masturbation.  I have made sure to be very patient, sometimes spending up to 2 hours alone.  I have made repeated efforts, to no avail at least thus far.

Inability to orgasm and talks with other trans women and therapists led me to conclude that my endo was being overly cautious.  I found a new endo who believes that 2 years of an effective dose of estrogen is way too short.  She thinks I should have at least 7-10 years of estrogen at levels in line with pre-menopausal women (100-200).  (Some of my trans friends think even all the way up to 300 is warranted.)  So, for the last 4 months, I have been on weekly estradiol valerate injections at <dosage removed>.  And my estrogen levels are well into the recommended range.  But to date with this new hormonal regimen, I haven't come anywhere close to higher erogenous stimulation, let alone orgasm.

My Questions for the Forum Participants:
I wonder if my endo should add progesterone.  Or should she add a light dose of testosterone (suggested as a last alternative by my GCS surgeons)?  Should I consider the highly experimental Platelet Rich Plasma injections into the clitoris and vaginal canal, which reportedly materially improves erogenous sensation for cis women?  I wonder if erogenous hypnosis works.  Does sex therapy work?  I am not yet ready to throw the towel, but I am indeed very concerned as I approach the 2-year anniversary of my GCS and BA.

That all said, please know:
I would NEVER CHANGE MY MIND about undergoing GCS even if my condition turns out to be permanent.  I have ridiculously greater peace of mind despite the hurdles and trauma I have endured - and despite my inability to become highly erogenously stimulated, let alone orgasm.



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Dena

Instead of automatically adding T to your chemistry, you should first have your levels checked. Some have T levels that zero out and in those cases, a small dosage of T can help. If your mid feminine T range, adding T to the mix probably isn't going to make much difference.
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New2Brooke65

Thanks for that advice.  I am at the low end of the range for T.
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Zumbagirl

As near as I can tell and this is only me, but to be honest, I'm only ever in the mood when I feel like it, which to be honest isn't very often. If I laid in bed and tried to whip myself into being randy it just doesn't work. I could lay there all day and never have an orgasm. But if I'm in the mood then I'm fine. From talking to many other women friends over the years, a great many of them get little to no sexual pleasure from sex. I've talked to plenty of women who simply grit their teeth when they are having sex with a spouse. So none of us are alone in this.
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New2Brooke65

Zumbagirl, hi!  I may too be part of the highly infrequent Que Será Será club.  ;)  But it's just so tantalizingly disappointing to have experienced something so much better than male-type orgasm on a fairly regular basis once I was well into HRT but prior to GCS - and then to have nothing, nada, nichts in the intervening 23 months since GCS and BA.  Particularly so, when a not small number of my friends who've been through exactly the same or nearly the same procedures have greatly enjoyed masturbation or partner sex.  I am curious to know if you've been able to become either highly erogenously stimulated or orgasm at least once in the last 2 years?  I haven't experienced anything approaching this over the same period.  As I said, I'm not willing to throw in the towel just yet.  :)  In any event, thank you (for real) for your feedback.
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NatalieRene

Quote from: New2Brooke65 on January 18, 2019, 09:10:31 AM
Zumbagirl, hi!  I may too be part of the highly infrequent Que Será Será club.  ;)  But it's just so tantalizingly disappointing to have experienced something so much better than male-type orgasm on a fairly regular basis once I was well into HRT but prior to GCS - and then to have nothing, nada, nichts in the intervening 23 months since GCS and BA.  Particularly so, when a not small number of my friends who've been through exactly the same or nearly the same procedures have greatly enjoyed masturbation or partner sex.  I am curious to know if you've been able to become either highly erogenously stimulated or orgasm at least once in the last 2 years?  I haven't experienced anything approaching this over the same period.  As I said, I'm not willing to throw in the towel just yet.  :)  In any event, thank you (for real) for your feedback.
I can orgaism from clitoral and vaginal stimulation. I don't think about sex all the time but sometimes I get in the mood and even if I'm not a little fore play can get me in the mood.

My boyfriend says that my parts look natural and in his experience nothing seems different except that I'm never super loose.

I have never been with a woman so I cannot day too much about that but since you have feeling down there that sounds sexual your nerves are intact. I think maybe you are having some sort of mental block. I had this issue as a guy looking for relief but at times just couldn't despite everything being perfectly operational.

You say that you have sexual sensations if your spouse puts her hand on you while clothed. My suggestion is try having her continue to rub over your clothing and maybe put her hand down your pants without taking them off. This might ease your mind into the new feelings. If that works you two can try progressing further.
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New2Brooke65

NatalieRene, thank you for your thoughtful feedback.  I will absolutely give your suggestion a go.
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New2Brooke65

NatalieRene, no luck.   :(  But thank you for the suggestion anyway.    :)
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KayXo

Post-op since 2005. Libido always low but could definitely orgasm. About 2 years ago, added some T in the form of Androgel. Then later switched to injections, a small amount twice weekly. Libido is back, vagina is no longer dry, I have the most wonderful orgasms, plenty of ejaculate, lubricate fine AND it helped me to finally experience CLITORAL orgasms. I love what did T for me, sexually!
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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