Quote from: IAmM on February 05, 2019, 01:36:09 AM
... seriously Michelle let it go ...

You do what is right for you, based on your orientation and needs.  I will do what is right for me.

Let go of what?  Being a lesbian with a 30% chance of queer?  Sorry, that's how I am wired.

Prescriptive posts, directing others in what they SHOULD do to meet normative standards, are something that is inappropriate, and one of the worst 'features' of 'support' sites.  Please don't do that.

Quote from: IAmM on February 05, 2019, 01:36:09 AM
I am so grateful that I am not the only one! I love everything about men and I confess that I have a weakness for uber masculine men, not muscle or size but attitude. Not that I ever date those men, well, yeah I did once, cop, and... seriously Michelle let it go! It is always my senses that betray me though. Their firmness against my softness, and for the love of god why do they have to smell sooooo good!?!? I have had a guy deliver a package to my office once that even made my brain forget how to work. Is that even a thing, because it happened. To this day the most impressive thing about that encounter is that I was able to speak and direct him to where he needed to go. There are men with a voice that makes me forget how to breath though. Looooong ago I competed against a guy on a regular basis that had a voice like that, it was almost torture. He was such an ass, seriously he was terrible, but his voice was like, I need cpr incredible. The most amazing torture I have experienced in my life was probably him with his head over my shoulder, mouth right next to my ear telling me what I should do right after I had just beaten him. I drug that match out as long as I could even though I had beaten my opponent within the first few moments of both games.  This may sound so sleazy and horrible but I have friends that say that their nipples are a direct connection to their hoo haa, and yeah I admit that if a guy digs in hard enough I can get there too, a sexy voice overrides everything though.

The thing is I would not have thought that I'd be submissive because my personality is so strong but I have found that I like to be spanked and then taken by my boyfriend. Just throw me on the bed and get it on. If my boyfriend hasn't taken care of business in a while I have noticed that I get a bit shrilly.

This didn't start out on purpose and the first time was a rush and a shock but yeah there it is.

He has an awesome voice too. Not to mention he can do different voices like Hank Hill, Goofy and the movie announcer guy so he can be a hilarious friend too.

Quote from: Michelle_P on February 05, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
You do what is right for you, based on your orientation and needs.  I will do what is right for me.

Let go of what?  Being a lesbian with a 30% chance of queer?  Sorry, that's how I am wired.

Prescriptive posts, directing others in what they SHOULD do to meet normative standards, are something that is inappropriate, and one of the worst 'features' of 'support' sites.  Please don't do that.

I'm honestly not sure what she was referring to but I would hope that none of us are getting on anyones case for their orientation. The only way a orientation is a negative is if you feel that you have to hide it and live a lie.

Personally I understand how Lilly felt on How I met your mother. She loves her buy but has cruses on certain woman and is curious what it would be like.

Let's all get along please. 

Quote from: Michelle_P on February 05, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
You do what is right for you, based on your orientation and needs.  I will do what is right for me.

Let go of what?  Being a lesbian with a 30% chance of queer?  Sorry, that's how I am wired.

, I feel that I am not even any queer at all.  I think my wiring is 100% lesbian.

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Prescriptive posts, directing others in what they SHOULD do to meet normative standards, are something that is inappropriate, and one of the worst 'features' of 'support' sites.  Please don't do that.

I did not see anything wrong in her writing, she just writes about how she is wired.  I find it amazing that anybody can forget the world because of another person using their voice.  It is actually enlightening for ma to read how other people are wired.  I think my entire wiring is a little disarranged because of all those mutations that were thrown into my poor body.

If we can't write openly in this forum, which other outlet do we have?

Quote from: Michelle_P on February 05, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
You do what is right for you, based on your orientation and needs.  I will do what is right for me.

Let go of what?  Being a lesbian with a 30% chance of queer?  Sorry, that's how I am wired.

Prescriptive posts, directing others in what they SHOULD do to meet normative standards, are something that is inappropriate, and one of the worst 'features' of 'support' sites.  Please don't do that.

Oh no, no, no! I am so sorry for the misunderstanding! ME Michelle not YOU Michelle. It's a terrible habit I have of referencing myself as Michelle, even in my head, when I am chastising myself or not very proud of something that I have done. Probably makes me less than sane but I can't seem to stop. I hope that is more clear and you can forgive any misunderstandings. You see, that particular guy was pretty amazing but it didn't work because I am trans. I don't hold it against him but I still think about him and wish that it could have turned out differently. That is why I was telling myself to let it go.

Quote from: NatalieRene on February 05, 2019, 11:32:49 AM
The thing is I would not have thought that I'd be submissive because my personality is so strong but I have found that I like to be spanked and then taken by my boyfriend. Just throw me on the bed and get it on. If my boyfriend hasn't taken care of business in a while I have noticed that I get a bit shrilly.

This didn't start out on purpose and the first time was a rush and a shock but yeah there it is.

He has an awesome voice too. Not to mention he can do different voices like Hank Hill, Goofy and the movie announcer guy so he can be a hilarious friend too.

Two more things in common then. My boyfriend is always making me laugh too and I tend to get a little irritable if I haven't been taken care of in a while.

I am pretty submissive and I have thought that I would like to try some things like that, I can't though. Not even spanking and especially nothing harder, no restraining and no choking. I cannot. I felt so bad when I visited a friend who is really into that sort of thing. She had an, event I guess, that she was going to participate in and I thought that I would be okay with it, I mean they agree on everything that is acceptable and what will be done before they begin, should be fine right? I couldn't even watch it at all and stopped watching before it was her turn. I had to go to another part of the club that was playing really angry music that I was not into at all and wait for her. We left as soon as she finished her part and I have felt like I ruined her night every since.

Quote from: IAmM on February 05, 2019, 02:33:38 PM
Oh no, no, no! I am so sorry for the misunderstanding! ME Michelle not YOU Michelle. It's a terrible habit I have of referencing myself as Michelle, even in my head, when I am chastising myself or not very proud of something that I have done. Probably makes me less than sane but I can't seem to stop. I hope that is more clear and you can forgive any misunderstandings. You see, that particular guy was pretty amazing but it didn't work because I am trans. I don't hold it against him but I still think about him and wish that it could have turned out differently. That is why I was telling myself to let it go.

Two more things in common then. My boyfriend is always making me laugh too and I tend to get a little irritable if I haven't been taken care of in a while.

I am pretty submissive and I have thought that I would like to try some things like that, I can't though. Not even spanking and especially nothing harder, no restraining and no choking. I cannot. I felt so bad when I visited a friend who is really into that sort of thing. She had an, event I guess, that she was going to participate in and I thought that I would be okay with it, I mean they agree on everything that is acceptable and what will be done before they begin, should be fine right? I couldn't even watch it at all and stopped watching before it was her turn. I had to go to another part of the club that was playing really angry music that I was not into at all and wait for her. We left as soon as she finished her part and I have felt like I ruined her night every since.

I'm not into pain either. It's just something he does while in certain specific positions. That's why I said it was a shock the first time.

Quote from: NatalieRene on February 05, 2019, 02:48:52 PM
I'm not into pain either. It's just something he does while in certain specific positions. That's why I said it was a shock the first time.

Women can spank too [emoji48]!

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Quote from: StacyRenee on February 05, 2019, 02:55:38 PM
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I wasn't implying woman cannot. But it was just the entire thing, stripped, pushed onto the bed, mounted and spanked. It's just so dominant and yes it turns me on. Ok I have to stop before I get flushed.

I haven't been with a woman so I don't have experience to draw from but I can say that if it's been a while he does a good job.

Maybe once he gets out here with the right couple we can swing and I can try it out.

@IAmM Please accept my apologies.  I did not understand that you were referring to yourself.  And another Michelle!  Yaaay!  We are taking over.   That is a popular name for gals born in the 1950s and early 1960s, and really spiked around 1970 thanks to The Beatles.

@Dietlind I often refer to myself as lesbian with a 30% chance of queer a bit facetiously, as I am most strongly attracted to persons with a strongly feminine gender presentation and identity.  I do not know what is in their briefs when I feel this attraction, and that doesn't really matter to me.

This is a bit different than what the standard description of lesbianism would cover, and is closer to what would be considered queer among those not identifying as cisheteronormative persons.  So, my orientation is nominally lesbian, but open to a broader range of people than the lesbian culture or typical identity might accept.

I'm still not sure what I might call my MtF 'birthday'.  I first came out in early March one year, started HRT over a few months in the summer, with some back and forth with endocrinologists over what turned out to be a benign microprolactinoma, went full time in late October, had Gender Confirmation Surgery (GCS) a year later in late October, had Facial Feminization Surgery (FFS) in late August, and have my biological birth date in late November.

On the legal side I changed my name and gender marker in January and got new birth certificates, drivers license, and passport in late February.

I'm mostly 'late'. 

My full time and GCS dates are pretty close to the biological birth date, so maybe I'll just celebrate them all together.

Quote from: Michelle_P on February 05, 2019, 03:10:42 PM


@Dietlind I often refer to myself as lesbian with a 30% chance of queer a bit facetiously, as I am most strongly attracted to persons with a strongly feminine gender presentation and identity.  I do not know what is in their briefs when I feel this attraction, and that doesn't really matter to me.

I have never been in a situation to meet a strongly feminine presenting male, and i do not know how I would react?   I might be able to have a relation with a trans man (I think),because I know there is an underlying femininity, and we both would know what it means being trans.  But I don't know if I ever met a trans guy? I know only those chest pounding types, and those guys, as nice as they are as buddies, are not the right partners for me!

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My full time and GCS dates are pretty close to the biological birth date, so maybe I'll just celebrate them all together.

The way it goes, my orchi and my name and gender change might be pretty close to my biological birthday, too!

My second birthday?  Nov. 25, 2003, when I had my SRS.  I remember being wheeled into the OR at around 8 am, and having one of Suporn's nurses say "happy birthday!" to me (which made me smile).  I agree, happy birthday to me!  My, how time flies, it's been 15 plus years post-op for me.

Quote from: Michelle_P on February 05, 2019, 03:10:42 PM
This is a bit different than what the standard description of lesbianism would cover, and is closer to what would be considered queer among those not identifying as cisheteronormative persons.  So, my orientation is nominally lesbian, but open to a broader range of people than the lesbian culture or typical identity might accept.

They why not say gynephilic (or androphilic if you like men)?

Quote from: Lisa_K on February 05, 2019, 10:29:26 PM
They why not say gynephilic (or androphilic if you like men)?

Look up the definitions for those two terms.  My sexual attraction is to persons with a strongly femme presentation and identity, provided I also have an emotional and romantic attraction to them.  This is not strictly an attraction to what any TERF would consider to be a woman, and doesn't meet what 'gynephilic' would imply.

Be very careful about claiming any trans person is co-opting an identity, label, or culture.  That way lies insanity, along with validation of the worst transphobic commentary.

Just because a certain group of homosexual females have claimed to be the owner of the term Lesbians, does not mean that i have to adhere to their interpretation of the word!  Webster explains lesbains as "[ from the reputed homosexual band associated with Sappho of Lesbos ] : of or relating to homosexuality between females".

I am such a person, and determine my sexual leaning to be lesbian.  If those self proclaimed protectors of the holy lesbian grail like this or not, I m a lesbian!  I might not be attracted to some of those purists, or b attractive to them, but I don't really care!

I was at a LGBTQI breakfast the other morning, and sat next to a militant lesbian.  She told me that she did not consider me to be a lesbian, because I was not born as a female!  I told her about my intersex condition, and that I am probably as female as she is, and she thought about it for a wilke, and said that I might be a real lesbian!
This shows, all that talk is nothing else but semantics, and I don't give a hoot about it!
I feel what I feel, and don't care what labels other paste onto my feelings!

Quote from: IAmM on February 06, 2019, 03:28:35 PM

Yeah, got me flushed. Like I said, sounds wonderful but I have never been able to handle it. My boyfriend says that I freeze up, go completely cold, he can do whatever he wants but it is like I am not even there. For me all I can think about is please stop, leave me alone, I don't actually say it though.

If anybody would do that to me, I would kill him!  If I would have done that to my wife, she would have killed me!\

Everybody is different!

Quote from: Dietlind on February 06, 2019, 03:56:35 PM
If anybody would do that to me, I would kill him!  If I would have done that to my wife, she would have killed me!\

Everybody is different!

It isn't a hard spanking just enough to feel it. Different strokes for different fokes.

Quote from: NatalieRene on February 06, 2019, 04:17:32 PM
It isn't a hard spanking just enough to feel it. Different strokes for different fokes.

Still would have been a brutal killing of the aggressor!  But as you saiy, everybody ticks different!

Quote from: Dietlind on February 06, 2019, 10:31:18 AM
Webster explains lesbains as "[ from the reputed homosexual band associated with Sappho of Lesbos ] : of or relating to homosexuality between females".

I feel what I feel, and don't care what labels other paste onto my feelings!

I think the fact that  you have this extremely rare physical intersex condition makes you one of the rarest of the rare. Your orientation could lie anywhere.

Intersex people are born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". Wikipedia



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I have no idea if I'm intersex or not and frankly I don't care. I am me. In my mind I am female. I am not going to use the modifiers cis or trans because I feel like this is a means to make trans people second class in their identity. My being female isn't a choice or assumed. I had to work and struggle to shape myself through sheer will to reflect me and the implication that I'm not real or in some way a caricature is very hurtful.

This topic was a lot better before it got derailed.

I personally look at SRS as the birthday and HRT I guess could be a metaphorical conception date maybe?

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