Hello fellow gender surfers! I was thinking recently after seeing the movie, Some Like it Hot with Marilyn Monroe, that my perspective on breasts has really changed. Years ago, when 'I wore another man's clothes' so to speak, I would have been riveted to the screen to see those bullet shaped beautiful boobs. They were attracting me and also causing tremendous jealousy all at the same time. I was certainly boob oriented. That is, until I got mine. Of course, I love them, wouldn't trade them, but I never seem to care much about looking or touching boobs now (other than mine). I don't know if it is the familiarity factor or the fact that the jealousy is gone or what. Any thoughts? Did your perspective change after your 'hills came alive,' or am I just making a mountain out of a molehill?
Moni

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Quote from: HappyMoni on February 28, 2019, 05:16:25 PM
   Hello fellow gender surfers! I was thinking recently after seeing the movie, Some Like it Hot with Marilyn Monroe, that my perspective on breasts has really changed. Years ago, when 'I wore another man's clothes' so to speak, I would have been riveted to the screen to see those bullet shaped beautiful boobs. They were attracting me and also causing tremendous jealousy all at the same time. I was certainly boob oriented. That is, until I got mine. Of course, I love them, wouldn't trade them, but I never seem to care much about looking or touching boobs now (other than mine). I don't know if it is the familiarity factor or the fact that the jealousy is gone or what. Any thoughts? Did your perspective change after your 'hills came alive,' or am I just making a mountain out of a molehill?
Moni

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Dear Moni:
Yes indeed, things have certainly changed regarding the display of clothing covered boob displays.   I also recall the older Marilyn Monroe, Doris Day, etc movies when the actresses wore those "torpedo" bras... 

Madonna brought that back as "outerwear" back in the late 90's  .... 
               

Thank you for posting your thoughts...
Hugs,
Danielle

I have felt the same change in perspective, not just with breasts, but with many things that I formerly found titillating.  Now, the nicest thing about breasts is that I have my own and I can play with them any time I want.  I no longer feel jealous of other women.  If I see a pretty woman, I appreciate her beauty and her presentation, but the envy is gone.  Now, underwear is just underwear. 

Perhaps it is due to having my T suppressed now.  But I think this change in perspective started before I started HRT.  Maybe it is just familiarity.  I have a feeling it is deeper than that, but I can't put my finger on what it is.

Well, yes, Moni has this one right, I think.

Now that I have them, I am happy knowing that my clothes will fit better, and that I can more readily wear a swimsuit without fear of an 'oops' moment.  I discovered last summer that swimming, something I have avoided since I was about 13, is a very pleasant experience for me, and with enough breast tissue to fill out a swimsuit, I won't be worried about 'wardrobe malfunctions' of the worst kind in a public place.

I also have a nice resort dress that I hope will wear better...


This is a 'before' shot of that dress, with me using ... extraordinary measures...  I'll try again once I've healed up a bit from the BA.

Quote from: HappyMoni on February 28, 2019, 05:16:25 PM
   Hello fellow gender surfers! I was thinking recently after seeing the movie, Some Like it Hot with Marilyn Monroe, that my perspective on breasts has really changed. Years ago, when 'I wore another man's clothes' so to speak, I would have been riveted to the screen to see those bullet shaped beautiful boobs. They were attracting me and also causing tremendous jealousy all at the same time. I was certainly boob oriented. That is, until I got mine. Of course, I love them, wouldn't trade them, but I never seem to care much about looking or touching boobs now (other than mine). I don't know if it is the familiarity factor or the fact that the jealousy is gone or what. Any thoughts? Did your perspective change after your 'hills came alive,' or am I just making a mountain out of a molehill?
Moni

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God you are hilarious.  Gender surfers    I only have the breasts that 1/3 dose Estrogen gave me so... umm not so much.  But yeah I know what you are talking about regarding looking with both attraction and jealousy.  What you are saying makes sense to me. 

I guess I'm in the minority in that breasts were never the big attraction for me. As part of the entire feminine package, yes, of course, but my attention was always drawn by hair, legs, and overall shape. I never understood why guys were so obsessed with breasts.

Now I'm taking great joy in growing my own, and I've been telling myself that size doesn't matter as long as they're noticeable as a required part of a nice presentation. And I've been telling myself that I can wait until I see what HRT does for me, and I'm not all that interested in doing it with implants.

Yup. That's what I've been telling myself.

Lately, though, I've found myself telling myself, "self, you need to shut up." Right now I'm at a minimal 36B, and I've been on HRT for a little over 20 months. I'm getting a bit impatient. Like Danielle, 36C would be fine, but I don't know whether I'm as far as I'm going to go or not.

I told myself I was going to let HRT take care of my face, too, and I told myself to shut up about that.  I've been to FacialTeam for some minimal FFS, and I'm in the process of making plans to finish work on the mugly ugh with a face and neck lift, some moving around of fat in my face, and a surface peel. The same clinic has also started doing body contouring, with liposuction and injection.

They also will use the same procedure for breast enhancement. I'm thinking that maybe that would give me the shape I'm craving until the real thing catches up. Hmmm.

Shut up, self.


Stephanie

I think I've gone from the typical man to the typical women. I loved them from both sides, but such a different feeling.

I guess that some of this shift in perspective also has to do with aging. I am pre-everything, so can't really talk about having own breasts (except for wearing breast forms and looking down noticing that they look so right there; not sure if that counts...), but I noticed over the years my views changed from the adolescent male's desire to grab and play with my girlfriend's breasts to a more middle-aged neutral perspective of acknowledging that that they do look good to the budding trans person's need to know how it feels having a pair of them. Oh, and yes, from asking my male self why in the world any woman would like to have large breasts to wanting to have a pair of them on my body as well!

Thinking of breasts I am reminded of this old joke: What do a set of boobs and an electric miniature toy train set have in common? Answer: Both are for the kids but dad's playing with them. I hope this wasn't too bad...

HM

Quote from: Iztaccihuatl on March 01, 2019, 12:35:53 AM
I guess that some of this shift in perspective also has to do with aging. I am pre-everything, so can't really talk about having own breasts (except for wearing breast forms and looking down noticing that they look so right there; not sure if that counts...), but I noticed over the years my views changed from the adolescent male's desire to grab and play with my girlfriend's breasts to a more middle-aged neutral perspective of acknowledging that that they do look good to the budding trans person's need to know how it feels having a pair of them. Oh, and yes, from asking my male self why in the world any woman would like to have large breasts to wanting to have a pair of them on my body as well!

Thinking of breasts I am reminded of this old joke: What do a set of boobs and an electric miniature toy train set have in common? Answer: Both are for the kids but dad's playing with them. I hope this wasn't too bad...

HM

No that wasn't bad, PG at worst.  I did smile when I read it.  Regarding the breast forms - for me they were important to me in the first few months of transition.  I haven't worn them in 2 years although my breast growth is small.  I grew out of them mentally ( I wish physically )  but now it just doesn't seem to make sense.  Now I wear some small slip in pads that go in the pocket of the bra.  My former roommate who was a cis woman had a pair also.  They are pretty common among small breasted women.

I totally get why someone would want to use them pre transition and early in transition.  A friend of mine asked me the first few months I was full time why I wore them.  I didn't have a good answer.  They just made me feel better because I was flat chested without them.  Now at least I am not flat chested but close LOL.

You will know when you can put them on a shelf or donate them.

I was reflecting on similar thoughts today. From the days when I rushed home from work to throw off the dreaded 'boy clothes' and wear a nice dress, lingerie etc to now when it's shorts and t-shirt or the gym clothes and the 'Oh I must glam up a bit to go out to dinner and the 'I wonder where I put my make up?' to the 'Thank god I can take that bra off'  and the 'Oh bug I'd better put a top on since the neighbours are in their garden' and the - I'm content.

That is what the whole journey, fight and tears were for - to be normal and happy.

[and I did have breast forms that I cherished and they helped me enormously to cope in those days when coping was all I could do]

Quote from: KimOct on March 01, 2019, 12:53:49 AM
No that wasn't bad, PG at worst.  I did smile when I read it.  Regarding the breast forms - for me they were important to me in the first few months of transition.  I haven't worn them in 2 years although my breast growth is small.  I grew out of them mentally ( I wish physically )  but now it just doesn't seem to make sense.  Now I wear some small slip in pads that go in the pocket of the bra.  My former roommate who was a cis woman had a pair also.  They are pretty common among small breasted women.

I totally get why someone would want to use them pre transition and early in transition.  A friend of mine asked me the first few months I was full time why I wore them.  I didn't have a good answer.  They just made me feel better because I was flat chested without them.  Now at least I am not flat chested but close LOL.

You will know when you can put them on a shelf or donate them.

I guess this is also part of our mental evolution while becoming the person we want to be. At the stage where I am now, it is kinda important for me to (a) see that there are breasts and (b) feel at least the weight of them. That's why I went with silicone forms rather than foam ones. I know that you ladies who are further along than me must now be rolling your eyes...

BTW, I am not looking for big ones, my only problem is that I have a huge thorax resulting in a 44 band size, primarily due to my skeletal features. Try to find an A-cup bra for that band! And with that band even B cups look huge and the only bra models available are full coverage bras. Admittedly, those aren't too bad with breast forms since they hold them nicely in place, but if I ever go on hormones and develop A-cup breasts (my mom and sister are both B's, so the max I would realistically expect is a set of A's) I'd run into another dilemma. Well, one problem at a time!

I was always jealous more then anything. Being bi I have always enjoyed looking at them and I still do to a extent. Since transitioning though since I am now free to wear stuff that I want to I'm far more likely to look at a woman and see her outfit and think something to the effect you are wearing that or wow I love those clothes and or shoes.

Another thing I learned after a while is if you tell a female where you found x article of clothing they will buy it and kill uniqueness so often now unless it is a real close friend the store slips my mind.

I still like to enjoy the view. But without the testosterone to drive the lust, it's mostly thoughts of "Gee, she looks good. I hope mine might someday look that nice."

After two years (to the day actually!) of HRT, I'm falling quite a bit short of the theorized "one cup size less than your nearest female relatives." I'm barely into a B cup while family are D or DD.

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Now I realize that it was all envy.....

Quote from: Iztaccihuatl on March 01, 2019, 07:55:03 AM
I guess this is also part of our mental evolution while becoming the person we want to be. At the stage where I am now, it is kinda important for me to (a) see that there are breasts and (b) feel at least the weight of them. That's why I went with silicone forms rather than foam ones. I know that you ladies who are further along than me must now be rolling your eyes...

BTW, I am not looking for big ones, my only problem is that I have a huge thorax resulting in a 44 band size, primarily due to my skeletal features. Try to find an A-cup bra for that band! And with that band even B cups look huge and the only bra models available are full coverage bras. Admittedly, those aren't too bad with breast forms since they hold them nicely in place, but if I ever go on hormones and develop A-cup breasts (my mom and sister are both B's, so the max I would realistically expect is a set of A's) I'd run into another dilemma. Well, one problem at a time!

don't worry about us rolling our eyes - most of us were there too, I was.  Yeah I'm part of the 44A club it sucks.  But I found one after some searching that had small pockets for the slip in pads.  i use gel ones and they are much much cheaper than the expensive full prosthesis.  I used to pay $500 for those.  The small pads are like $40.  I do at least have 'something' of my own breasts so with the slip in pads it works.  I think you will end up where I am it sounds like.
Keep using the prosthesis and eventually you will reach a day - eh.. I don't need these anymore.  Don't compare yourself to others, you are at a different step on this path.

Quote from: Cindy on March 01, 2019, 01:06:50 AM

That is what the whole journey, fight and tears were for - to be normal and happy.

That's what this is about!!! Oh crap, I don't think I'll ever be more than 50% on this one. If you look at my name, you can probably figure out which 50%.


Like many of you, I waited and watched my chest and hoped for more size. The nipple pain ended for me pretty early. I think I took a higher dose of E hoping to get more, but it didn't happen. I spent so much time hoping and wanting them. It's funny that I use a small enhancement on my butt, but didn't want to enhance with forms up top. Getting BA took all that away for me. It is rare that I notice them in every day life though even though I am told they are double D's. I just feel like me. Of course, when I wear a top that is form fitting like yesterday, I can't say I hate the attention. I have decided that the butt I can live with. It does really surprise me that I could go from intense craving of boobs to 'eh' so quickly. There are parts of the male anatomy that I have gone in the opposite direction. Go figure!

Loved the train joke.

Steph, hee hee hee, you know you are gonna listen eventually.

Kim, I had a major dysphoria melt down in the middle of a bra store trying to find a bigger band smaller cup. I left and cried my eyes out. I finally found bras in my least favorite store, Walmart. They were good cheap bras. I had to give them away post surgery though.

I doubt I will have BA - not absolutely ruling it out but doubtful.  If I had BA I would at least also want a nose job, I don't want to look like a dude with boobs.  The combination of my health issues and the downturn in my finances make it iffy at best.  I am working at trying to be OK with my body as it is but that has been a struggle.

I think no matter what we can or can't do to our bodies, it does come down to mentally finding peace with ourselves and our body. We do what is within our grasp to make things better. To pine away for what can't be done is a waste. Of course, all this is easy to say. Everyone on this site knows intimately, how hard it can be. Hope your health issues are improving Kim.