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Huge debate about TG in Sweden

Started by MeTony, April 03, 2019, 03:47:25 PM

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MeTony

There is a huge debate about transgender kids in Sweden. A well known child psychiatrist has written a debate in a newspaper and questions the HUGE number of (about 200 people) transmasculine AFAB-people wanting to see the specialized team on transgender treatments.

A TV-show had yesterday some detransitioners and their parents telling how awful it is that they treat children. Who later will regret the treatments.

This is not the end of it. All the trans-activists have been mobilized in counter attacks. I guess I might need to defend myself too. My mom already told me to see the program. And so did two of my friends. I sent them the correct info.

It is scary that a psychiatrist specialized in ADHD/Autism starts to debate transgender youth.


Tony
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Kylo

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Unfortunately, there does appear to be a number of young AFAB individuals who have detransitioned as a result of various issues, including incorrect diagnoses, incorrect self-diagnoses, improper encouragement or peer pressure, etc. There are some on this site, even, who have gone through this and all in fairly recent years 5-10 years, usually in the last 5. I tend toward prudence: if there is some sort of problem (predominantly affecting younger AFAB apparently) then it should be acknowledged and further study needs to be done to ascertain exactly what is causing it. It does us - as FTM and the trans community at large - no favours to fail to address it. 

Of course, our ideological enemies will want to use this as a means to attack transition as a treatment. It would be best if we could identify the fact that there is a schism in the community described as between those seeking freer social expression (and not necessarily suffering GD) and those seeking medical treatment (I could go further on this because I know what is generally happening here and why - but for now I leave it at that), and acknowledge that young people are potentially at risk of being misdiagnosed at the moment, and acknowledge that the risk is exacerbated by seeking to fast-track and loosen the gatekeeping on transition for youngsters that will include operations and long term HRT. Currently there are moves in place to fast-track younger people to transition as well as to introduce the idea of trans and transition to them in school at ages as young as 5-6 years old. If we have a clear incidence of people being misdiagnosed or confused in sufficient numbers, it makes sense that we address this matter ASAP and have the discussions that are needed as to how best this is to be done without increasing the numbers of young people mistakenly transitioning. The hike in numbers could well be due to existing cases coming forward, but I myself have seen and spoken with more than just a few AFABs who mistakenly chose this path due to suggestion, peer pressure, and histories of abuse and sexual abuse. There is something going on here and a failure of the system to protect these people from incorrect diagnosis. It seems likely that young females and AFABs are at some particular risk of misdiagnosis these days, and incorrectly diagnosing themselves, in some cases, and that as the numbers seeking transition rise, we should expect to see more of these cases. Remaining stringent in the path of diagnosis and medical gatekeeping here is only common sense.

Probably not what you wanted to hear, or what anyone here wanted to hear, but believe me, this WILL become a serious thorn in our side as a community soon if we do not address these issues. I have been saying for some time now that this issue will become a problem, particularly if we waive gatekeeping and hand the treatment out like candy. So far very few people have wanted to acknowledge this. Yes, you will likely have to defend yourself soon, as more of these cases happen and the spotlight is shone on "protecting the children" from "gender ideology" as our opponents have taken to calling it, and at this point yes, some people in our community ARE treating it like an ideology and not a medical matter (that is the schism I mentioned). I already routinely speak on social media about the dangers of not having a stringent process by which children and teens can be medically assessed and protected from ideological peer pressure, and increasing numbers of psych health people are starting to weigh in. This is to be expected given that trans activists want to make it easier for children to transition as well... it has put a great deal of media spotlight on us in the last 3 years alone.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Dena

Something that I learned from Cindy is that gender can be somewhat fluid in younger children. This is probably one of the best reasons for avoiding anything permanent until they are in the 16-18 year old range. They could go on blockers to suppress puberty or socially transition but things like cross sex hormones and surgery would be best left till latter.

Most children will have a consistent gender identity but you can't determine that in advance so you need to establish a procedure that works for everybody.
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AnneK

QuoteA well known child psychiatrist

How old were they?   ;)
I'm a 65 year old male who has been thinking about SRS for many years.  I also was a  full cross dresser for a few years.  I wear a bra, pantyhose and nail polish daily because it just feels right.

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Ann W

Quote from: Kylo on April 03, 2019, 05:59:27 PMProbably not what you wanted to hear, or what anyone here wanted to here, but believe me, this WILL become a serious thorn in our side as a community soon if we do not address these issues.

Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful comments. I'm concerned about this myself. I spend a good deal of time reading the thoughts of social conservatives on trans issues, and I think there is a backlash coming that trans activists do not anticipate.
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MeTony

I believe the youth today want a quick fix to everything. But all the additional psychological problems will persist through transition. You need to learn how to live your life with what you got. Transition won't solve every bump in the road.

In Sweden there is a huge discussion about this issue.

Tony
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Kirsteneklund7








Good Morning Ladies & Gentlemen,
                                                    This is such an important debate/issue right now. It seems there are an increasing number of de-transitioners or those simply regretting transition. The young FTM demographic seems to be experiencing this the most but there appears to be an increasing number of young MTF experiencing the same.

Hopefully a transparent & open debate/discussion in the public and medical professional realms will result in more accurate diagnosis and a more refined due process for treatment.

Cindy and Dena's comment that the pre-teen and teen demographic can be somewhat gender fluid seems to be backed by medical professionals.

For instance a well known and respected expert in this area Dr Norman Spack mentions that this demographic (until adolescence is underway) will resolve cross sex behavior in 80% of cases. He also mentions that if the existing cross sex identification does not resolve in adolescence - then it will almost certainly persist for life.

Kirsten.
As a child prayed to be a girl- now the prayer is being answered - 40 years later !
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Kylo

Quote from: MeTony on April 04, 2019, 02:57:16 PM
Transition won't solve every bump in the road.

Another important point. And there is also the fact that for some (including myself) transition creates a perspective shift that may require more fortitude even than before to live with after. Young kids and teens may well be poorly equipped to deal with this - I know I would have been at that age, not least because I would not have had the accumulated perspective and experience that has seen me through - because god knows, the psychiatric advice and help on offer is sometimes little to no help at all. This is a highly subjective condition that I know I manage well only because I know myself very well. At puberty and before I didn't really know who the hell I was. Some kids might have a very strong sense of self and their relationship to gender but I would expect most are going to be still developing both.

I do fear the psych help on offer is - in some ways through no fault of its own, because transsexualism and its study is a fairly new field - I would suggest, inadequate to deal with the burden of so many young people currently coming forward.

You may find a few people challenging you on the topic of the long-term effects and safety of puberty blockers as well, in a discussion about what to do with young cases. Honestly I can only advise that each case is looked at VERY carefully on an individual basis and if at all possible, major decisions regarding transition are left until puberty and after. Some have suggested that if we don't we may have a generation of people in a few years' time, many of whom had been adversely affected by the medical establishment's (and the trans activists') desire to treat young cases as quickly as possible rather than as prudently as possible.
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