Quote from: pamelatransuk on April 03, 2019, 08:11:53 AM
KIrsten

I note your comments with regard to your hopes and aims and I am glad that you are another girl whose sleep has improved.

Just out of interest, do you also seek areolae increase (like Jess and I) please?

Hugs

Pamela

My areola and nipples are a cis looking size already.I will measure and pass on. I guess breast maturation is what I would like to see. I take a 40 B bra, a 38 C would look better on my ribcage.

Hopefully more breast volume will happen and the conical shape of transgender breasts will become more cis.

Just remember girls- SIZE DOES MATTER !
(LoL)

Kirsten x.

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Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on April 03, 2019, 02:34:46 PM
My areola and nipples are a cis looking size already.I will measure and pass on. I guess breast maturation is what I would like to see. I take a 40 B bra, a 38 C would look better on my ribcage.

Hopefully more breast volume will happen and the conical shape of transgender breasts will become more cis.

Just remember girls- SIZE DOES MATTER !
(LoL)

Kirsten x.

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I hope for the same!  And size does matter, at least to me.

Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on April 03, 2019, 02:34:46 PM
My areola and nipples are a cis looking size already.I will measure and pass on. I guess breast maturation is what I would like to see. I take a 40 B bra, a 38 C would look better on my ribcage.

Hopefully more breast volume will happen and the conical shape of transgender breasts will become more cis.

Just remember girls- SIZE DOES MATTER !
(LoL)

Kirsten x.

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You use the same bra size I do.  But I would not fit into a 38 size.  My breasts are "older" than yours (I started to grow them several years ago, and they grew rather slowly), and they do not have the conical shape you are talking about.  i can do the pencil test with both sides, which means they are looking pretty "normal", but kind of getting lost on my chest.  I definitely need one size more, and would be pretty happy with a well developed 40 C bust!  I hope progesterone will help estrogen with that task.  They seem to be still growing, because they still hurt all the time, but watching grass grow is more entertaining because of it's super fast growing action!

Quote from: Dietlind on April 03, 2019, 05:23:17 PM
You use the same bra size I do.  But I would not fit into a 38 size.  My breasts are "older" than yours (I started to grow them several years ago, and they grew rather slowly), and they do not have the conical shape you are talking about.  i can do the pencil test with both sides, which means they are looking pretty "normal", but kind of getting lost on my chest.  I definitely need one size more, and would be pretty happy with a well developed 40 C bust!  I hope progesterone will help estrogen with that task.  They seem to be still growing, because they still hurt all the time, but watching grass grow is more entertaining because of it's super fast growing action!

Hi Linde,
              I started out with a much bigger band- 44" but HRT reduced my latissimus muscles a lot and if I got really lean I think I will go back to 38". As you say Linde a bigger than cis ribcage needs bigger breasts to look in proportion.

PS; I always like hearing your progress with E & P & T level ect. You are living as a woman - I think you are so lucky - I would love to be doing the same !

Yours, Kirsten.
 

Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on April 03, 2019, 07:52:57 PM
Hi Linde,
              I started out with a much bigger band- 44" but HRT reduced my latissimus muscles a lot and if I got really lean I think I will go back to 38". As you say Linde a bigger than cis ribcage needs bigger breasts to look in proportion.

PS; I always like hearing your progress with E & P & T level ect. You are living as a woman - I think you are so lucky - I would love to be doing the same !

Yours, Kirsten.

You will be able to do it one day.  I had to pay for my freedom of female expressions with my marriage, and sometimes I wonder if I gave up to much by doing so.
I can't change that anymore, and because of this I go full steam ahead and live my life as a woman.  I would never have thought how accepting my environment is bout this.  I think we almost create our own biggest barriers, by thinking others may not accept us!  Life as a woman is just glorious!  Not so nice are some of the administrative hurdles one has to hop over to get one paperwork/identification changed!

Good luck for you, you can and will do it!
Linde

Quote from: Jessica on March 12, 2019, 04:46:06 PM
Has anyone experienced "night sweats" while taking progesterone?  I woke in the middle of the night drenched after taking my first dose last night.

I was on it for 6 months last year (January- June) and never experienced that.

I have been back on it since January this year and still have not experienced it.

Quote from: Dietlind on April 03, 2019, 08:08:30 PM
You will be able to do it one day.  I had to pay for my freedom of female expressions with my marriage, and sometimes I wonder if I gave up to much by doing so.
I can't change that anymore, and because of this I go full steam ahead and live my life as a woman.  I would never have thought how accepting my environment is bout this.  I think we almost create our own biggest barriers, by thinking others may not accept us!  Life as a woman is just glorious!  Not so nice are some of the administrative hurdles one has to hop over to get one paperwork/identification changed!

Good luck for you, you can and will do it!
Linde

Thank you Linde. That does bolster hope for me.

  Kirsten.

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Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on April 03, 2019, 02:34:46 PM
My areola and nipples are a cis looking size already.I will measure and pass on. I guess breast maturation is what I would like to see. I take a 40 B bra, a 38 C would look better on my ribcage.

Hopefully more breast volume will happen and the conical shape of transgender breasts will become more cis.

Just remember girls- SIZE DOES MATTER !
(LoL)

Kirsten x.

Hello again

Most definitely. To be precise I think the three aspects matter.

1. Boob symmetry although I know some ciswomen never achieve it.

2. Size and shape of boobs and in proportion to ribcage or bodyframe

3. Size of nipples and areolae in proportion to boobs.

As I am only 14 months HRT and of course a mere 19 days Progesterone, I will give it time before determining whether BA may be necessary.

As you know I have now only 2 months to wait till fulltime Pamela but as Linde says, your time will also come. I perceive that ultimately that is your intention.

Hugs

Pamela  xx

Quote from: Dietlind on April 03, 2019, 08:08:30 PM
I would never have thought how accepting my environment is about this.  I think we almost create our own biggest barriers, by thinking others may not accept us! 

Linde

Hello again

I am surprisingly and happily discovering this too. I was certainly far too pessimistic about acceptance and assumed barriers to be more difficult than they are. The anti-reaction is definitely on the decline. I am confident that so many of us including you and Kirsten and I shall indeed live and appreciate the female life!

Hugs

Pamela  xx

Quote from: pamelatransuk on April 04, 2019, 04:50:54 AM
Hello again

Most definitely. To be precise I think the three aspects matter.

1. Boob symmetry although I know some ciswomen never achieve it.

2. Size and shape of boobs and in proportion to ribcage or bodyframe

3. Size of nipples and areolae in proportion to boobs.

As I am only 14 months HRT and of course a mere 19 days Progesterone, I will give it time before determining whether BA may be necessary.

As you know I have now only 2 months to wait till fulltime Pamela but as Linde says, your time will also come. I perceive that ultimately that is your intention.

Hugs

Pamela  xx

Hi Pamela,
                  It is the end of the day and I have taken my E& P & Androcur.

Yes it is my intention to live as my feminine self. I actually like to be challenged on this. I just spent the evening talking off the cuff with my wife and female friends. As per my standard life they forgot I was a man in company and discussed reproduction and menses ect as did I even though I have spent my life as a masculine man. I contributed with vicarious experience and empathy.

Pamela, logic & rational thought dictates I should be a man & I have succeeded in this
despite taking on the masculine identity at age 13 against my heart, disapointment and thinking it is what I SHOULD do.

The discord between the feminine and masculine kills me.

I have tried to cure myself all my life and now I must do something even though I dont know if I have what it takes to be a woman.

In 2016 I started to transition and it nearly ruined my life. I am trying again on more solid ground.

I can only do this without surgery for now to find out what is possible & what is needed.

Having a more feminine body is a huge relief.

I wish I had your clarity of gender,

Kirsten xx.


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Kirsten

Glad to hear of your evening conversation.

I wish you all the best in your transition and to whatever extent you wish to take it.

Sleep well tonight!

Hugs

Pamela  xx

Quote from: Kirsteneklund7 on April 04, 2019, 07:03:23 AM

I can only do this without surgery for now to find out what is possible & what is needed.

Having a more feminine body is a huge relief.

I wish I had your clarity of gender,

Kirsten xx.


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Kirsten, talking about missing clarity.  Look at my life!  Most of my life I had no gender identity, I was not even in that girls dream thing when I was younger, I was a noting who tried to be a man!  That did not work out well in the long run, and I became a nothing again!  My desired to become a woman started when my body clearly indicated that it was to going this way, and did not care if my brain was ready to follow or not.  Luckily my brain hopped onto the feminin bandwagon, and the desire to become a woman grew dramatically inside me, and i started to develop a female identity!  Here I sit now, in the morning just had my cup of coffee, wearing female underwear, and not even thinking twice about it!  Putting one male underwear does not even cross my mind anymore!  I am a woman, and women wear the appropriate gender oriented underwear (and for my convenience, I wear a bra with a front closure).
You, too will overcome the doubts about your gender and will start to wear what the final gender will wear!
Good luck for your path!
Linde

Hi All,                                 04 April 2019

I need to read this whole thread, but a couple of things kept popping up in what I have read so far, and would appreciate your comments.

Anyone that has read my main thread will know I suffered a DVT last November 23rd and have been off my Her-mones / She-mones (Estradiol patches) since.

Early in my transition, 13 April 18, I had an Orchie, so my T & E are at Eunuch levels; not where I want to be.

I have an appointment 17 April 2019 for another D-Dimer blood test. It will indicate whether or not I still have clots. The test looks for debris from disintegrating clots. I have been on Xarelto anticoagulant 4 months with two months to go on the normal 6 month regime. If the debris count is higher than 0.49 it'll mean clots still remain. I've had three ultrasounds of my legs, the first found 2, the second found 1 and the third found none. This is a positive, but not positive enough to resume She-mones; the D-Dimer will be definitive along with another ultrasound.

When I first saw the hematologist several months ago, we had a conversation about Progesterone. He recommended Progesterone as the She-mone I should use rather than Estradiol. Since I don't yet know how my DVT treatment will resolve out, I'd like to know more about Progesterone and how it affects those of us transitioning. I'll be 79 in 4 months and would like to continue my transition safely. I have an appointment (24 April) with the Hematologist, which is one week after the D-Dimer test, to review where I am at that time.

I will still have to see my Endocrinologist before doing anything transition wise; she and the Hematologist will be the ones that will help me decide.

Does anyone know if Progesterone alone will feminize or will I be stuck in a rut to nowhere? I also noticed in the study that Spiro was mentioned several times. I was never on it and never wanted to be on it, hence I had the orchie early on in my transition. What roll, if any, besides blocking the T receptors does Spiro play in the use of Progesterone?

I am going to finish reading this thread before I see my Hematologist and Endocrinologist. Thanks for any info and or suggestions you can provide.

Best Always, Love
Christine

Kirsten,

Be yourself.  You are the only one who knows what you need to feel good.  This is month 4 for me, and at 60, I am so loving the changes.  I have been on Progesterone for about a month and it has made me feel even better.  Not to mention how much better a sleep I get.

The one thing I noticed is that nipples are much larger, and for some reason, I like seeing them visible in what I am wearing....its at the point where my wife said, please put a bra or camisole on. lol

Much peace and love to you,

Bobbie

Quote from: bobbiesj on April 04, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
Kirsten,

Be yourself.  You are the only one who knows what you need to feel good.  This is month 4 for me, and at 60, I am so loving the changes.  I have been on Progesterone for about a month and it has made me feel even better.  Not to mention how much better a sleep I get.

The one thing I noticed is that nipples are much larger, and for some reason, I like seeing them visible in what I am wearing....its at the point where my wife said, please put a bra or camisole on. lol

Much peace and love to you,

Bobbie

Hi Bobbie,                             04 April 2019

Welcome to Susan's. The Welcome Wagon Ladies will be along shortly to officially welcome you. I'm just the Good Humor Lady lurking about.

Best Always, Love
Christine

@bobbiesj

Quote from: bobbiesj on April 04, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
Kirsten,

Be yourself.  You are the only one who knows what you need to feel good.  This is month 4 for me, and at 60, I am so loving the changes.  I have been on Progesterone for about a month and it has made me feel even better.  Not to mention how much better a sleep I get.

The one thing I noticed is that nipples are much larger, and for some reason, I like seeing them visible in what I am wearing....its at the point where my wife said, please put a bra or camisole on. lol

Much peace and love to you,

Bobbie

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Quote from: Dietlind on April 04, 2019, 08:27:50 AM
Kirsten, talking about missing clarity.  Look at my life!  Most of my life I had no gender identity, I was not even in that girls dream thing when I was younger, I was a noting who tried to be a man!  That did not work out well in the long run, and I became a nothing again!  My desired to become a woman started when my body clearly indicated that it was to going this way, and did not care if my brain was ready to follow or not.  Luckily my brain hopped onto the feminin bandwagon, and the desire to become a woman grew dramatically inside me, and i started to develop a female identity!  Here I sit now, in the morning just had my cup of coffee, wearing female underwear, and not even thinking twice about it!  Putting one male underwear does not even cross my mind anymore!  I am a woman, and women wear the appropriate gender oriented underwear (and for my convenience, I wear a bra with a front closure).
You, too will overcome the doubts about your gender and will start to wear what the final gender will wear!
Good luck for your path!
Linde

Thanks again, Linde you are a sweetheart. You really give me hope.

Kirsten x.

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Quote from: christinej78 on April 04, 2019, 12:02:04 PM
Hi All,                                 04 April 2019

When I first saw the hematologist several months ago, we had a conversation about Progesterone. He recommended Progesterone as the She-mone I should use rather than Estradiol. Since I don't yet know how my DVT treatment will resolve out, I'd like to know more about Progesterone and how it affects those of us transitioning. I'll be 79 in 4 months and would like to continue my transition safely. I have an appointment (24 April) with the Hematologist, which is one week after the D-Dimer test, to review where I am at that time.

I will still have to see my Endocrinologist before doing anything transition wise; she and the Hematologist will be the ones that will help me decide.

Does anyone know if Progesterone alone will feminize or will I be stuck in a rut to nowhere? I am going to finish reading this thread before I see my Hematologist and Endocrinologist. Thanks for any info and or suggestions you can provide.

Best Always, Love
Christine

Hello Christine and so nice to see you join this extremely informative thread both from as medical point of view (see origin of thread) and from the points of view of so many of us who have recently started with Progesterone.

There is so much to take in at the origin of the thread. In simple terms my advice would be to inform your Endo and Hemat of the latest scientific evidence herein which is as recent as January 2019. Secondly it will be necessary to differentiate between Progesterone to which this thread refers ONLY as opposed to progestins (MPA).

My limited knowledge from other previous Progesterone threads (aswell as this one) is that Progesterone if considered is added to E and not customarily substituted for E.  However it will be interesting to know why your Hemat may prefer substitution instead of addition if he follows that route. I assume it is for a reason connected to blood of course.

I think everyone on this thread on Progesterone take the medication at bedtime as it does make you drowsy and provides more and deeper sleep.

I hope you are soon able to resume HRT whether with or without Progesterone.

Hugs

Pamela

Quote from: bobbiesj on April 04, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
Kirsten,

Be yourself.  You are the only one who knows what you need to feel good.  This is month 4 for me, and at 60, I am so loving the changes.  I have been on Progesterone for about a month and it has made me feel even better.  Not to mention how much better a sleep I get.

The one thing I noticed is that nipples are much larger, and for some reason, I like seeing them visible in what I am wearing....its at the point where my wife said, please put a bra or camisole on. lol

Much peace and love to you,

Bobbie

Hello Bobbie

You have certainly chosen a really interesting and informative thread on which to make your first posting!

I am 64 and have been on HRT 14 months but a mere 20 days on Progesterone. As you may have read, I chose to mention it to my Endo in February mainly for the hope of areolae increase but also that it may help my low bone density - osteoporosis.

Clearly you and I and Kirsten and others on this thread are looking for similar potential benefits and it seems that we are all sleeping better as a bonus. Congratulations on the nipples increase!

I wish you every happiness and success on your HRT journey.

Hugs

Pamela