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One year in and very unsatisfied with breast growth!

Started by Angela H, April 06, 2019, 10:02:15 PM

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Linde

Quote from: Miss Clara on April 08, 2019, 09:26:21 AM
Have you had your serum testosterone tested? Suppressing testosterone appears to be a huge problem for trans women.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/893280
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Michelle_P

Quote from: Miss Clara on April 08, 2019, 10:54:09 AM
I doubt that it's that high.

Correct!  I misspoke.  That's the portion of trans people who are MtF and medically transitioning, who pursue surgery.  Most medical transitioning folks are just on HRT. 

Breast augmentation and breast reduction, "top surgery' for FtM folks, are probably the most common among those who do pursue surgery.  Statistics are really hard to find on this.  Breast augmentation is not generally tracked as transition-related care, as it is available from a very large number of surgeons not associated with any transgender care programs.

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NatalieRene

Quote from: Dietlind on April 08, 2019, 08:47:16 AM
How do you know?  Some natal girls wait and wait, and bam, almost over nice they have boobs!
Did you have an orchi?  Natal girls seem not to have testes, and thus not much problems with trying to suppress testosterone!  Removing those little guys might be a good idea, and see what happens, prior to putting silicone onto your rib cage!

I don't know. Not to be a Debbie downer but I was a b cup at six months and a c cup at 9 months and then as time went on they rounded out some. All this happened without spiro or an orchi. I was only on estrodile.

If after three years nothing has developed I think a BA should be reasonably safe at this point.
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Linde

Quote from: Miss Clara on April 08, 2019, 10:54:09 AM
I doubt that it's that high.  There are 1.4 million self-identifying transgender people in the U.S. according to the Williams Institute.  Twenty five percent would mean that 350,000 have had GCS.  A U.S. Census Bureau study in 2010 concluded that only 89,000 transgender people (living men and women) had changed their gendered name and/or sex code (male to female/female to male).  Certainly even fewer had not had undergone GCS.  Although that number has greatly increased in the past 9 years, I doubt that it has reached 350 - 420,000 individuals. 

The American Society of Plastic Surgeons reported that there were 1,759 male-to-female GCS operations in the U.S. in 2016, a 19% increase from 2015.  If that trend line were linear (it's not of course) from 2010 to 2019, the number of GCS operations in the U.S. would total less than 15,000 MtF surgeries over the past 9 years, or about 1% of all transgender people.

My own experience tells me that more trans women seek BA than GCS.  BA costs $4K - $6K, while MtF GCS costs $20K - $30K without insurance which is only slowly becoming available.  My guess is the ratio is more like 10 BA surgeries for every GCS surgery.
and that is what I mean, the fiances are a very strong gate keeper for US Trans women to have any surgery done!  Unlike to those European women who have free electrolysis, speech therapy, surgeries and everything once they are diagnosed to be transgender.  The famous ICD F61 code opens the door for them, but not for us!
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Linde

Quote from: NatalieRene on April 08, 2019, 11:39:17 AM

If after three years nothing has developed I think a BA should be reasonably safe at this point.
I could agree o a 3 year time, but not to a one year one!

I do still experience breast growth, but it seems to just continue with the same speed I had long prior to HRT.  I have no idea what I will end up with now that I had my orchi and have extra estrogen!  So far I don't see feel any difference compared to before the orchi.  The only thing I feel from that is not to have the fog in my head I used to have from spiro, and that I feel way more feminine than I ever have felt before!  But I can't detect anything at the boob front!  So I think the girls will continue to grow on their own speed, until some day I wake up in the morning and my nipples don't hurt anymore!  This pain has become so much part of me over the last 5 or so years that I sure will miss it once I am free of pain!  >:-)
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NatalieRene

Quote from: Dietlind on April 08, 2019, 11:49:24 AM
I could agree o a 3 year time, but not to a one year one!

I do still experience breast growth, but it seems to just continue with the same speed I had long prior to HRT.  I have no idea what I will end up with now that I had my orchi and have extra estrogen!  So far I don't see feel any difference compared to before the orchi.  The only thing I feel from that is not to have the fog in my head I used to have from spiro, and that I feel way more feminine than I ever have felt before!  But I can't detect anything at the boob front!  So I think the girls will continue to grow on their own speed, until some day I wake up in the morning and my nipples don't hurt anymore!  This pain has become so much part of me over the last 5 or so years that I sure will miss it once I am free of pain!  >:-)

It's been three years for her hasn't it?

Oh and they will always hurt if you get struck there. In a sense they are sort of like getting kicked in the balls but not quite as bad. This is why woman tend to hold things in front of them.
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Miss Clara

Quote from: Dietlind on April 08, 2019, 11:13:53 AM
I don't have balls left!

Testosterone is also produced by the adrenal glands which serve as the primary source of T after GRS.  In the presence of the enzyme 5-alpha reductase (5AR), free testosterone will convert to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) which is a powerful inhibitor of breast growth.  5AR is produced in the testes AND the prostate which you most likely still have.  Has your doctor ruled out overactive adrenal production of testosterone as a possible cause for your lack of breast tissue development? 
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Linde

Quote from: Miss Clara on April 08, 2019, 12:28:12 PM
Testosterone is also produced by the adrenal glands which serve as the primary source of T after GRS.  In the presence of the enzyme 5-alpha reductase (5AR), free testosterone will convert to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) which is a powerful inhibitor of breast growth.  5AR is produced in the testes AND the prostate which you most likely still have.  Has your doctor ruled out overactive adrenal production of testosterone as a possible cause for your lack of breast tissue development?
I think you mistake me for the original poster.  I am pretty happy with my still growing boobs.  I am starting to slowly outgrow a 40 B cup!
The adrenal glans produce only very limited amounts of testosterone that has no real influence on most body functions once the testes are removed! DHEA and Androgenic Steroids
These hormones produced by the zona reticularis of the glans  are weak male hormones. They are precursor hormones that are converted in the ovaries into female hormones (estrogens) and in the testes into male hormones (androgens). However, once the testes are removed, this conversion will not take place.

The prostate needs testosterone from the testes to not shrink down to become mostly not functional anymore (that is why an orchi is the last resort treatment to slow down prostate cancer).

In summary, once the balls or ovaries are gone, so are any meaningful amounts of testosterone or estrogen inside the human body!
And that is why we ladies who don't have balls need estrogen, but don't need any spiro anymore to block testosterone!
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Miss Clara

Quote from: Dietlind on April 08, 2019, 12:56:14 PM
The adrenal glans produce only very limited amounts of testosterone that has no real influence on most body functions once the testes are removed!

Of course, but testosterone levels vary among trans women as they do among natal women and men.  My point is that if one is not experiencing any breast development after one year on estradiol, serum testosterone should be tested.  One study that I referenced above reported that 75% of trans women had trouble suppressing testosterone using spironolactone.  Yes, I mistook your comment for that of the OP.  Sorry. 
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franie

It takes time,  in my case I have even on hormones for 15 years and finally I am  size H
I have been on estrogen and progesterone  for 24 years and sprio off and on but not for about 8 years. I have not totally transitioned yet but since  my breasts are very noticeable  36 I it is pretty much impossible not be seen as female. Just went full time. :) Yes I still do yard work!
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Rachel_Christina

Quote from: Dietlind on April 08, 2019, 08:47:16 AM
How do you know?  Some natal girls wait and wait, and bam, almost over nice they have boobs!
Did you have an orchi?  Natal girls seem not to have testes, and thus not much problems with trying to suppress testosterone!  Removing those little guys might be a good idea, and see what happens, prior to putting silicone onto your rib cage!

I know. It's just never gonna happen.
My testosterone is non existent.
I'm tired of waiting.
I just had another message rejecting me again for my requested BA :/
I'm sick an tiered of being rejected :(


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Linde

Quote from: Rachel_Christina on April 08, 2019, 03:16:31 PM
I know. It's just never gonna happen.
My testosterone is non existent.
I'm tired of waiting.
I just had another message rejecting me again for my requested BA :/
I'm sick an tiered of being rejected :(
I don't know where you life, but here in Florida we have enough plastic surgeons that they are almost in a competition with each other to do breasts  It seems that all those old women here want o have good looking boobs before the croak!

We have hardly anybody doing SRS!
I wish you good luck in finding some surgeon!
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Rachel_Christina

Thanks Dietlind, it's a pain but somethings got to turn up!


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Faith

Somebody somewhere has gobbled up my information and added me to a statistical percentage ... I am not a statistic. I am who I am and I'll develop however I develop. BA is not and won't be in my future. I look down and see breasts - I'm happy. I'm not growing them for everyone else to see, they're for me. Well, ok, also a little of "so that women's tops fit a little better".

no judgement from me though, If someone needs BA to improve their mental well-being, go for it. We all have our own needs despite our similarities.
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FridayJones

hiya, I would really recommend a big dose of patience. you're feeling 'it will never happen' after only one year, puberty takes a lot longer, about 7 years first time round? your body may be doing other things which are less visible, but all part of the process.

I do think some who've had substantial breast growth within the first year are not the average, most people one known to much longer.  I obsessed about the lack of initial growth, it took (to me, at that time) forever, but it did happen, in its own time. remember taking oestrogen is not for the sole purpose of growing breasts, there are a myriad of changes and your body is busy at the moment. Ideally your testosterone should be suppressed, orally or by a gnrh analogue depot (best option) as testosterone will combat oestrogen, and it's generally reputed not to be a nie experience mentally.

BA after one year? you could damage your fledgling breasts, you've no idea what growth is to come. I personally wouldn't recommend it until year 6 (so, after 5 years on unchallenged hormone therapy (with suppressed T) more growth is often experienced after srs, and later changes in therapy ie from oral to gel can also simulate more growth.

A year is nothing, I'm not sure what you'd expect after such a short time. breasts are substantially made out of fat as has been commented, so any weight loss will reduce breast size, and that is just how it is for women. many people who have a larger cup size do so because they have more body fat, and some women who (for whatever reason) have very low body fat, have substantially smaller breasts.

Apart from breast growth, you're skin will be changing, your nails, hair, etc... it doesn't seem a good time to reduce your body's fuel intake, tight when you are asking it to try to do the biggest u-turn possible.

I'd say, take the pills, breathe, wait... those denying you the BA have your best interests at heart. in a few years you could have a perfectly nice rack without intervention 🙂 x
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Meghan

After one year I found out I had stabilized my testosterone levels to cis-female, and my Estradiol levels begins to rise up.  So I feel my slowly build up.

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PurplePelican

Quote from: Miss Clara on April 08, 2019, 01:42:21 PM
Of course, but testosterone levels vary among trans women as they do among natal women and men.  My point is that if one is not experiencing any breast development after one year on estradiol, serum testosterone should be tested.  One study that I referenced above reported that 75% of trans women had trouble suppressing testosterone using spironolactone.  Yes, I mistook your comment for that of the OP.  Sorry.

Spiro doesn't suppress T production, it simply blocks its action.. And has all sorts of issues.

But there is also zero reason to be taking spiro - an appropriate dose of E is all most people need.
This is not medical advice. Always consult your doctor.
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Meghan

Combination of Spironolactone and Estradiol patch sure suppresses my Testosterone total sendout was  20, and my Testosterone free was 3.2 pg/ml. It also stabilized my Potassium levels. So so far had been working for me.

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Rachel_Christina

Quote from: Faith on April 09, 2019, 06:11:58 AM
Somebody somewhere has gobbled up my information and added me to a statistical percentage ... I am not a statistic. I am who I am and I'll develop however I develop. BA is not and won't be in my future. I look down and see breasts - I'm happy. I'm not growing them for everyone else to see, they're for me. Well, ok, also a little of "so that women's tops fit a little better".

no judgement from me though, If someone needs BA to improve their mental well-being, go for it. We all have our own needs despite our similarities.

See I would love to be like this, but for me nothing happened. They just got painful and that's about it.
I'm pretty much 3 years hormonally female. I don't they where meant to be!


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Mendi

Im having a BA in June and at that point I´ve been on HRT for 20 months. I have about b-cup breasts, but due to the wider rib cage, they don´t appear that big. That´s why I´ve decided BA. If I would have been born with a female body of this size, I would be perfectly happy with my breasts. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

My surgeon who did SRS last summer, would have liked to perform BA at the same time. At that point I was on HRT for 8 months. He didn´t see any problem of doing BA early on. And in the end, he was right. I should have done it at the same time and save myself from another anesthetics. But, I was still hoping for some sudden miracle.

But I´m approaching 2 years mark and that is generally thought to be the time, when major breast growth is done.
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