The Zed Said

'This could become another topic, what do other androgynes do? Myself, I don't adopt any traits or mannerisms that don't feel natural, thus people might see male externally and wonder why I act certain ways I do. Dress conforms, or at least enough, only because I must make a living.'

A point was made, and a topic created.

Quote from: Pica Pica on April 16, 2008, 03:26:29 PM
The Zed Said

'This could become another topic, what do other androgynes do? Myself, I don't adopt any traits or mannerisms that don't feel natural, thus people might see male externally and wonder why I act certain ways I do. Dress conforms, or at least enough, only because I must make a living.'

A point was made, and a topic created.

Well, not being androgyne, (not sure what exactly I am tonight ... champagne may be speaking here) I think we are to some extent in the same boat - I still function as a male at work, though my behaviour is absolutely NOT male, not as far as I can see anyway. I too do what is comfortable and natural to me, and while there are some masculine traits in there (because after all, I AM a beautiful and unique snowflake, not a charicature or a stereotype ... ), I act as the female I am.

But I do what I need to to keep my job in the face of a narrow-minded society. I hope I can move to a point where that is not necessary soon, but who knows what the future holds...

~Simone.

I went back to work Tuesday for the first time since March 6th, so, for the first time in six weeks I donned my carpenter jeans, T-shirt, and work boots. I wore a white T-shirt under the colored one, just in case my slowly changing body attracts any questions. An article in the latest issue of AARP magazine, claims that one of the keys to living to 100 is to do physical labor throughout life.

Off work, I sometimes wear clothes or play roles that do not feel natural at first, because I need to raise my consciousness and that of those close to me. But these are mostly baby steps. I'm not nearly as open and "out there" as some of you. There are no videos of me in a dress.

S

Quote from: Simone Louise on April 16, 2008, 05:56:53 PM
I went back to work Tuesday for the first time since March 6th, so, for the first time in six weeks I donned my carpenter jeans, T-shirt, and work boots. I wore a white T-shirt under the colored one, just in case my slowly changing body attracts any questions. An article in the latest issue of AARP magazine, claims that one of the keys to living to 100 is to do physical labor throughout life.

Off work, I sometimes wear clothes or play roles that do not feel natural at first, because I need to raise my consciousness and that of those close to me. But these are mostly baby steps. I'm not nearly as open and "out there" as some of you. There are no videos of me in a dress.

S

I am not out there either.
You would be surprised what you can get away with if you are careful in what you buy. Obviously a dress with your beard is not going to fly, but many women's blouses can pass easily enough. As can some shoes and even some pants. I have not done any of that in many years except for my hair, it can easily go either way depending on how I wear it. Otherwise my appearance is very male.

Glad to see you are back at work Simone, congrats.

Posted on: April 16, 2008, 07:02:04 PM

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Quote from: Pica Pica on April 16, 2008, 03:26:29 PM
The Zed Said

'This could become another topic, what do other androgynes do? Myself, I don't adopt any traits or mannerisms that don't feel natural, thus people might see male externally and wonder why I act certain ways I do. Dress conforms, or at least enough, only because I must make a living.'

I spent MANY years trying to be one of the boys and not the oddball. As a kid, it sucked, and yes I made a lot of mistakes in dress and mannerisms. I'm not sure why I tried so hard considering all it did was make me miserable.

Now of course I have to deal with people all day in different offices and homes so I need to be a little careful. I am trying to unlearn what I trained myself to be over the last few decades and find who I was supposed to be. I am also very slowly working on my appearance to be more middle ground, I am not sure how far I can take it though before it effects my income. In the end, I would like to end up androgynous in manner and dress but it will require a lot of time and effort since I am definitely not the most outgoing person. My comfort limit on change is extremely small, I hate when others notice my changes in appearance.

Quote from: sd on April 16, 2008, 07:35:14 PM
You would be surprised what you can get away with if you are careful in what you buy. Obviously a dress with your beard is not going to fly, but many women's blouses can pass easily enough. As can some shoes and even some pants.

Yes,  that fits with my (little, yet) experience. I'm switching to wearing women's jeans, because they fit better now that I've lost the beginnings of a belly I had a while ago. Similarly, some flannel hiking blouses appear to work better than the male version. The only comment so far has been from wife, about my daring to wear clothes that actually fit instead of being a couple of sizes too large.

  Nfr

I didn't start trying to act the part until I was an adult because that was the first time I realized that I was different (oblivious much? heh).  Mostly, I just watched other people and tried to mimic them.  I've stopped doing that though and now I'm just me.  I've pretty much always done my own thing though...mostly because I was too oblivious to notice any other ways of behaving.

...I really am SUPER oblivious to what's going on around me.

I said 'super'.  heh.

jaimey, you sound like me - just think it's too late to really care about other people's opinions now.

Quote from: Pica Pica on April 18, 2008, 05:27:11 AM
jaimey, you sound like me - just think it's too late to really care about other people's opinions now.

Exactly.  Besides, most people's opinions aren't worth caring about anyway...