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Progesterone Is Important for Transgender Women’s Therapy

Started by Jessica, March 09, 2019, 06:44:42 PM

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Jessica

Quote from: Donica on May 20, 2019, 08:34:16 AM
My next appointment with my Endo is coming up soon. I am armed with info about progesterone. It's tough getting Kaiser to give in and allow it. Not enough info pro or con yet. My girls could certainly use a boost. All I can do is plead my case.

I will say that most of my breast growth has happened during the past 4 months when they finally up my E dose to a decent level. I can't say the first 17 months were a waist because of obvious health concerns but....

I have Kaiser in Northern California.  My endo was resistant to prescribing progesterone until I showed him the article that he should have already read.  He prescribed it straight away. 

"If you go out looking for friends, you are going to find they are very scarce.  If you go out to be a friend, you'll find them everywhere."


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Myranda

Quote from: Jessica on May 18, 2019, 10:24:01 PM
I'm not certain if this change is due to progesterone, but shortly after starting it, I noticed that my breasts radiated a lot of heat.  My wife says I have hot hands and when I cup them, I feel the fire from my boobs. 
Any other ladies experience this?

I haven't noticed any heat like you described, but I did notice that about 2 weeks into starting daily progesterone, from cycling on the 1st 10 days  of the month, that my breasts and nipples became extra sensitive/tender, much more so that I experienced from and sensitivity./tender from just being on E.   Though this could also be from my T finally dropping after upping my Spironolactone dosage for about 6 weeks.  And of course with that increase in sensitivity.tenderness, I did notice some increase in size,  though not necessarily much to brag about.

The only thing I did notice in regards to body temperature, is that the last few nights, while sleeping in the same things I normally sleep in, with my covers on, and my heat off, I have woken up sweating, not a full on drenched in sweat, but definitely hot and a bit damp...


One last thought too.  While I had started HRT in June 2017, I stopped in May of 2018  and restarted in January of 2019.  Before I had stopped, I could have sworn I had felt some pretty decent breast buds.  But after having been off HRT for about 6 months, I wasn't sure I had really felt them at all.  But now since resuming at the beginning of 2019, I definitely feel them now these last 2-3 weeks.  There is no mistaking them at this point


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Linde

Now listen up queen resources of my progesterone knowledge.
I now sit here with a pill container clutched in my paws that says on it Progesterone XXX mg, and they recommend to preferably take it at bed time.  I have this 90 day supply plus three 90 day refills.

Now my question, is that the right stuff now?  My doc does not know anything about it, and he follows my guidance.  Did i tell him the right stuff for this prescription?
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Jessica

Quote from: Linde on May 20, 2019, 07:48:54 PM
Now listen up queen resources of my progesterone knowledge.
I now sit here with a pill container clutched in my paws that says on it Progesterone XXX mg, and they recommend to preferably take it at bed time.  I have this 90 day supply plus three 90 day refills.

Now my question, is that the right stuff now?  My doc does not know anything about it, and he follows my guidance.  Did i tell him the right stuff for this prescription?

My micronized bio-identical Progesterone is called Prometrium

"If you go out looking for friends, you are going to find they are very scarce.  If you go out to be a friend, you'll find them everywhere."


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Linde

Quote from: Jessica on May 20, 2019, 07:54:30 PM
My micronized bio-identical Progesterone is called Prometrium
This is a Walgreen's pill container and the label just says Progesterone.  While the label on the old container says Medroxyprogesterone.

I don't know how many kinds of the stuff are out there, and hope that I have the right stuff now.  The dosing of the new stuff is 10 times higher than the one of the medroxy stuff.

Where are our resident pharmacists when we need them?
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Jessica

@Linde

Quote from: Linde on May 20, 2019, 09:04:18 PM
This is a Walgreen's pill container and the label just says Progesterone.  While the label on the old container says Medroxyprogesterone.

I don't know how many kinds of the stuff are out there, and hope that I have the right stuff now.  The dosing of the new stuff is 10 times higher than the one of the medroxy stuff.

Where are our resident pharmacists when we need them?

My guess is that you probably have the right stuff.  Didn't Walgreens give you any literature with it? 

"If you go out looking for friends, you are going to find they are very scarce.  If you go out to be a friend, you'll find them everywhere."


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steph2.0

Go to http://drugs.com. You can look up drugs by what's printed on them, shape, and color, or you could look up progesterone and view the images to compare with what you have. Or if there's documentation with the pills that'll tell you exactly what you've got.


Stephanie


Assigned male at birth 1958 * Began envying sister 1963 * Knew unquestioningly that I was female 1968 * Acted the male part for 50 years * Meltdown and first therapist session May 2017 * Began HRT 6/21/17 * Out to the world 10/13/17 * Name Change 12/7/2017 (Girl Harbor Day) * FFS With FacialTeam 12/4/2018 * Facelift and Lipo Body Sculpting at Ocean Clinic 6/13-14/2019 * GCS with Marci Bowers 9/25/2019
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Linde

Quote from: Jessica on May 20, 2019, 09:31:46 PM
@Linde

My guess is that you probably have the right stuff.  Didn't Walgreens give you any literature with it?
It came with the typical Walgren's printout about how to take it and all the possible side effects.  The same stuff is also in Drugs. com listed
It's generic name is progesterone, the way as indicated in Drugs.com, but neither there nor on any papers or the container is anything to be found of micronized or bio identical.  One of the brand names seems to be Prometrium.
While the pharmaceutical category is Progestin.

Putting all the tidbits together:

Ladies and Gentlemen, tonight I will take my first dose of micronized progesterone!

Let the boobs get bigger and my night sleep better!
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Linde

Quote from: steph2.0 on May 20, 2019, 09:44:13 PM
Go to http://drugs.com. You can look up drugs by what's printed on them, shape, and color, or you could look up progesterone and view the images to compare with what you have. Or if there's documentation with the pills that'll tell you exactly what you've got.


Stephanie
Thank you all for your help, as of today I am a member of the lustrous micronized progesterone club, and I have a 90 day prescription in my hands, and three more 90 day supplies allowed!
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ChrissyRyan

Is the micronized Progesterone you talking about Linde, Jessica, and Stephanie also bio-identical Progesterone?  Or just finely ground?


Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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Jessica

Quote from: ChrissyRyan on May 20, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
Is the micronized Progesterone you talking about Linde, Jessica, and Stephanie also bio-identical Progesterone?  Or just finely ground?


Chrissy

Bioidentical progesterone is simply progesterone. It's micronized (finely ground) in the laboratory for better absorption in the body.

"If you go out looking for friends, you are going to find they are very scarce.  If you go out to be a friend, you'll find them everywhere."


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Linde

Because I am now a member of the club, what initial measurements should I take to be able to chart any progress (for the case there is any progress)?
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ChrissyRyan

Quote from: Jessica on May 20, 2019, 10:48:52 PM
Bioidentical progesterone is simply progesterone. It's micronized (finely ground) in the laboratory for better absorption in the body.


Thank you Jessica.

Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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ChrissyRyan

Quote from: Linde on May 20, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
Because I am now a member of the club, what initial measurements should I take to be able to chart any progress (for the case there is any progress)?

Linde,

I am sure you will receive clear instructions on where and how to measure.
In the meantime, if you have a tight blouse at the bustline, after awhile try it on again (use both times no bra or the same bra) to see if it is tighter!  If it is, maybe that is a practical test that gave you the desired results!  It is measuring without measuring.  :)

I suppose a form fitting blouse that becomes tighter later would also work, but one that is too baggy you might not be able to tell the difference unless you had a lot of breast growth!

Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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Jessica

Quote from: Linde on May 20, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
Because I am now a member of the club, what initial measurements should I take to be able to chart any progress (for the case there is any progress)?

I measure my bust, butt and beyond.
In all seriousness, when I measure my breasts I take the end of the tape and place it on the clavicle directly above the nipple, then pull it straight over the nipple and to the inframammary fold.  That one and the typical bust dimension will give you indication of growth or change.
Measure your hips and thighs also, I've understood that could and hopefully will increase as well.
I also measure my areolae and nipple size.

"If you go out looking for friends, you are going to find they are very scarce.  If you go out to be a friend, you'll find them everywhere."


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ChrissyRyan

Quote from: Jessica on May 20, 2019, 11:03:57 PM
I measure my bust, butt and beyond.
In all seriousness, when I measure my breasts I take the end of the tape and place it on the clavicle directly above the nipple, then pull it straight over the nipple and to the inframammary fold.  That one and the typical bust dimension will give you indication of growth or change.
Measure your hips and thighs also, I've understood that could and hopefully will increase as well.
I also measure my areolae and nipple size.


I knew some detailed measurement advice would be provided!  I will make a note of that procedure Jessica.

In regard to hips and thighs, if my jeans fit tighter, I know there has been some growth there for some reason.   :)

In all seriousness you are a great provider of useful information!  Measurements done the same way over time is a great way to track differences. 

I do wonder how much water retention impacts measurements, what do you know about that? 

Thanks and hugs,

Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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steph2.0



Assigned male at birth 1958 * Began envying sister 1963 * Knew unquestioningly that I was female 1968 * Acted the male part for 50 years * Meltdown and first therapist session May 2017 * Began HRT 6/21/17 * Out to the world 10/13/17 * Name Change 12/7/2017 (Girl Harbor Day) * FFS With FacialTeam 12/4/2018 * Facelift and Lipo Body Sculpting at Ocean Clinic 6/13-14/2019 * GCS with Marci Bowers 9/25/2019
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steph2.0

Quote from: Linde on May 20, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
Because I am now a member of the club, what initial measurements should I take to be able to chart any progress (for the case there is any progress)?

The giveaway for me was when I suddenly noticed that the padded 36B I'd been wearing for a while had suddenly lost the extra room I'd gotten used to. I still feel around it, expecting it to push in like it used to, but it doesn't any more.

So other than taking measurements, which I never seem to read the same twice, you may want to shop for a bra that's just a little too big, and see whether you end up filling it better in a while. I buy lightly padded bras so they hold their shape when there isn't enough "me" to completely fill it at first.


Stephanie


Assigned male at birth 1958 * Began envying sister 1963 * Knew unquestioningly that I was female 1968 * Acted the male part for 50 years * Meltdown and first therapist session May 2017 * Began HRT 6/21/17 * Out to the world 10/13/17 * Name Change 12/7/2017 (Girl Harbor Day) * FFS With FacialTeam 12/4/2018 * Facelift and Lipo Body Sculpting at Ocean Clinic 6/13-14/2019 * GCS with Marci Bowers 9/25/2019
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Jessica

Quote from: ChrissyRyan on May 20, 2019, 11:17:21 PM

I knew some detailed measurement advice would be provided!  I will make a note of that procedure Jessica.

In regard to hips and thighs, if my jeans fit tighter, I know there has been some growth there for some reason.   :)

In all seriousness you are a great provider of useful information!  Measurements done the same way over time is a great way to track differences. 

I do wonder how much water retention impacts measurements, what do you know about that? 

Thanks and hugs,

Chrissy

Chrissy, the only fluctuations I've had has been periodically during the day my breasts will get a snoopy nose then round out.  My areolae also has a tendency to become quite large and swollen  then shrink.  I have no idea if water retention has anything to do with it.

"If you go out looking for friends, you are going to find they are very scarce.  If you go out to be a friend, you'll find them everywhere."


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Linde

So be it know to the world, currently

Bust                                     46"
Right nipple to breast bone    6"
Left nipple to breast bone      5 1/2"   
Areolae                                2"
Nipple width                        1/4"
Nipple projection                 1/4"
Hip                                    46"

What is a realistic time length to make the next measurements?
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