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GOP senator introduces bill to legally erase transgender people

Started by Jessica_Rose, November 22, 2024, 10:25:24 AM

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GOP senator introduces bill to legally erase transgender people

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gop-senator-introduces-bill-to-legally-erase-transgender-people/ar-AA1uzAQ1?ocid=windirect&cvid=73fb993af7d84aeb8900c33396b9bf71&ei=8

Story by Alex Bollinger (22 Nov 2024)

Sen. Roger Marshall (R-KS) introduced a bill this week to legally erase transgender people, entitled the "Defining Male and Female Act of 2024." He claimed that the bill will stop what he called the Biden administration's attempt to "replace biological sex with dangerous radical gender ideology."

The bill is a long list of terms and definitions, where words like "father" and "girl" are defined with the words "male" and "female." Those two words are then defined as "an individual who naturally has, had, will have, or would have, but for a congenital anomaly or intentional or unintentional disruption, the reproductive system that at some point produces, transports and utilizes [sperm or eggs for male or female, respectively] for fertilization."

"As a physician who has delivered over 5,000 babies, I can confidently say that politicizing children's gender to use them as pawns in their radical woke agenda is not only wrong, it is extremely dangerous," he said, even though being a former OB/GYN who "delivered over 5,000 babies" does not make him an expert on transgender people.

Marshall is wrong that the Biden administration is behind the existence of transgender people; transgender people existed long before President Joe Biden was elected in 2020 and will exist long after his term in office finishes. Transgender people are not an "ideology"; they are human beings.
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Quote from: NatalieRene on November 22, 2024, 01:21:48 PMOh man four more years.

Yeah I feel for you folks, I really do. Trans people aren't going away. You don't just stop being trans because someone says you don't exist. No matter how much those in power might wish it so.

This is something... you're just going to have to deal with because more of the people in the US care more about their bank accounts than humanity. And voted Trump in... again. On the upside... in a hundred years, if there's a world left, maybe we'll be more enlightened.
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This Part:
...an individual who naturally has, had, will have, or would have, but for a congenital anomaly or intentional or unintentional disruption, the reproductive system that at some point produces, transports and utilizes [sperm or eggs for male or female, respectively] for fertilization...

So what about uterus transplants because, that would indicate someone "will have" one day, as long as that's their intent, because I know some people are definitely going to consider this in the future when it becomes possible. I know "natural" will probably be pointed out here. But in a heart transplant, are they referring to the process that you obtain said heart, or are they referring to the heart itself, because in the latter, the heart is still natural, it's just not where it started going back in time. As far as the process goes, it's being done to save a life, so I don't know why the process, being legally natural or unnatural, even matters.

Secondly, just because you have the exterior of a car, doesn't mean there is any interior. Is a car still a car, if some of the inside stuff is missing, & it doesn't even function for what is there. Cause if that's the case, then some people were never male, or female, based on those words. What happens to people who were non-functioning their entire life?

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The problem continues to be that people do not understand what gender is. They think it refers to biological sex. They have no concept that it is not biological and they don't care. The intent is not about gender at all. The intent is to attack anything that does not fit their idea of what males and females are. The facts are that gender is not male or female, but masculine or feminine and everything in between, or neither.

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Hello SuccubusLove

My name is Sarah B and I would also like to formally, Welcome you to Susan's Place!

I appreciate your comments and thoughts in regards to this issue and I will provide more insight into Marshal's bill and your comments.
However, what I would like to know is what also brings you to Susan's?

Once you feel comfortable here, it would be appreciated if you add a little bit more about yourself in the other forums and threads.  I would appreciate it very much as, I'm always interested in learning something new about new members.

In addition members of Susan's will more than likely will discuss problems or issues that are similar to yours as most have experienced these issues as well.

Take care and all the best for the future.

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It makes me mad that, of all the issues that face your country, both real and imagined, the one that the Repugnicans deem to be the highest legislative priority, higher than the economy, higher than immigration, higher than climate change, higher than Israel or Gaza or Ukraine, or Russia or China or North Korea, is the eradication of trans people!

Though it is not surprising that they started with us.  Back in 1933 in Germany, the first minority group to be targeted was us (the burning of Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld's library).  Only later did they go after Gays, Jews, Roma, and other minority groups.
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Hi Everyone

Sen. Roger Marshall's bill has been criticized for its restrictive and exclusionary approach to defining sex, potentially erasing the legal recognition of transgender individuals and limiting their access to rights and spaces, crucial for full participation in society.

This approach not only disregards gender identity but also undermines the aspirations of transgender people to experience life's most profound connections, parenthood.  The bill's narrow focus on reproductive biology could also threaten existing anti-discrimination protections under Title IX, Title VII and other laws.

Critics argue that the legislation dehumanizes transgender individuals by reducing identity to biology, effectively excluding them from legal protections and public spaces, thus limiting their participation in society.

Marshall frames his policy as opposing "radical gender ideology" and aligning with traditional biological definitions.  However, restrictive laws like Marshall's, Mace's and others, not only limit personal aspirations but also stifle society's ability to evolve and embrace diverse pathways to family and love.

As for motives, Marshall's actions could stem from a mix of ideological beliefs, ignorance and political strategy, as such issues often mobilize conservative voter bases.  Regardless these bills are basically abhorrent and hopefully will be overturned.

SuccubusLove, I appreciate your thoughts and questions on the issues you mentioned in your first post. 

One of the most important things that humans do is to procreate and hence by doing so ensure the survival of the human race.  The possibility of having a child and being able to nurture life, regardless of the technicalities of "natural" versus "unnatural."  Is a dream for most of us. 

What does "natural" really mean?  Humans have been redefining nature for centuries through advancements in medicine, technology, and society.  Heart transplants, IVF, and even life saving surgeries were once considered unnatural, but now they are widely accepted as part of human progress.

What people often don't understand about us is, we desire things just as much as anyone else.  It's not about trying to prove something or meet arbitrary definitions of male, female, or natural.  It's about fulfilling an intrinsic human need to connect, love, and build a family.  The discussion about whether a uterus transplant is "natural" misses the point entirely.  What matters is the outcome, the opportunity to experience parenthood, to love and raise a child.

As for the analogy of the car, I find it unhelpful when applied to humans.  Unlike machines, humans are infinitely more complex and emotional.  Reducing someone's identity or aspirations to functionality or reproductive potential ignores the essence of who we are and what drives us.  Our identity is more than just our biology.   It's about our experiences, our relationships, and our dreams.

So, for me, the question isn't about whether I fit someone else's definition of natural, it's about living and pursuing the things that make life meaningful, like the chance to create and nurture life.

That's what people often fail to understand about us.  Our desires are just as valid as anyone else's.

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