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Mrs. Oliphant

I've only been a guest inside Susan's Place for a week and I've already said so many stupid things and asked a thousand stupid questions. For that, I apologize. I am, after all, your guest. I'm not trans. Not yet. I'm scared and confused. Within the week, I have changed my pronouns from he/him to he/her. I have butted into topics I knew nothing about, asked questions I shouldn't have asked. The silence broke my eardrums. But I will try again. I dream I am a woman. When I awaken, I am disappointed to realize it was only a dream. I wear women's clothes; I consciously move and talk like my imagining of a woman. But it is a role. A character crafted from the memory of my dreams. I am considering HRT. And my question is this: if I embark on this journey, will I feel like the woman in my dreams while I am awake?

Lori Dee

Quote from: Mrs. Oliphant on March 30, 2025, 07:41:03 PMAnd my question is this: if I embark on this journey, will I feel like the woman in my dreams while I am awake?

It may not be exactly the same. For everyone, the journey is different. The best thing to do is to discuss this with a therapist with experience in gender identities. Maybe you are trans, maybe not. A therapist can help you reach that decision and then help you figure out the next steps.

HRT is not a cure-all. When I started five years ago, I felt so much better. But there are other things I need to do to get to a point where I can be satisfied. Even then, there may be something else I need to do.

Everyone is different and some decide to not transition or to go for HRT and nothing more. Some need surgery, some want voice training or surgery. Transition is a long and slow process. The goal is to get to a point where you feel like your true self. Not the person you dream about, but the person deep inside you that you know is the real you.

Even a therapist can't answer these questions, but they know how to guide you so that you can find the answers yourself. Because, in the end, it is your life to live and your decision how you want to live it.

I hope this helps.

PS.

The only stupid question is the one you didn't ask. Answering questions as best we can is why we are here.  :)
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Mrs. Oliphant

Thanks, Lori,
I found great comfort in your words. My therapist has considerable LBTQ+ experience and is empathetic and supportive. She's also the only one VA has available within my service area. I woke up this morning feeling comfortable with he/her so I will do more research, more listening, and less talking. You're right: I would rather become the most authentic me than the idealized woman I dream about. The two have so much in common but considering moving from he/him to she/her in the space of a few weeks did cause a bit of angst. I will embrace he/her until I know with certainty it's time to take another major step. One giant leap a week seems quite enough. Thanks again.

tgirlamg

Quote from: Mrs. Oliphant on March 30, 2025, 07:41:03 PMI've only been a guest inside Susan's Place for a week and I've already said so many stupid things and asked a thousand stupid questions. For that, I apologize. I am, after all, your guest. I'm not trans. Not yet. I'm scared and confused. Within the week, I have changed my pronouns from he/him to he/her. I have butted into topics I knew nothing about, asked questions I shouldn't have asked. The silence broke my eardrums. But I will try again. I dream I am a woman. When I awaken, I am disappointed to realize it was only a dream. I wear women's clothes; I consciously move and talk like my imagining of a woman. But it is a role. A character crafted from the memory of my dreams. I am considering HRT. And my question is this: if I embark on this journey, will I feel like the woman in my dreams while I am awake?

@Mrs Oliphant

Kudos... You have taken on the role of bold explorer within your own life... With all life's distractions, self exploration can be a last frontier of sorts for almost everyone really... We can live large segments of our lifetime living in a way that just kind of works, serving the immediate needs of that period of our life but, in the end, not serving to bring us any closer to answers to important lifetime questions... Who Am I Truly? ... How Do I Need To Go About My Life So That It Becomes The Foundation To Build The Experiences I Want And Better Connect Me To Myself... To Others... To Life... To The World and ...To Love... 💕

The path to to those answers is as unique as each of us... Do not let the search for those answers become a source of worry because the search itself is every bit as glorious as anything we might view as our destination. 🌺

HRT may help fuel your journey if you choose... Many of us find we feel like we are finally burning the correct fuel in our life's engine... For myself, I felt that I was seeing the world .. and myself through new eyes ... the way I processed and felt emotion changed... I felt things more deeply which to me, felt like the manner in which they should be felt ... The whole experience was like I had always watched life on a black and white TV ... and now I was living life in full color! 🤗 ... Or perhaps like living somewhere without much change between the seasons and then moving somewhere where you can witness warm summers, vibrant springs, the melancholy beauty of fall and a bit of winter chill that can carry its own special charms! 🤗  Everyone feels HRT a bit differently... you may choose to try it but, choosing not to will, in no way, deny you access to what you seek🌻

At the end of the day, I believe the answers are far more simple than we often allow ourself to see... The connections to all of life's aspects that I listed above are discovered by simply going out the door each day and being yourself... Even, if you don't yet fully know who that is... We truly find ourself and our place in the world amongst others... Learn well that there is strength in vulnerability... As we open ourself to others... and express what is within us... We unearth what has been buried for far to long... As we find what is true... Accept and Love what we find... We find ourself in a glorious place indeed!  You will then know the answer to your question... Perhaps you will feel like the woman in your dreams... Most assuredly, you will feel like you!!!
and in that...there is great peace...🌞

I often quote a stanza from "Song Of The Open Road" by Walt Whitman around here because it is timelessly fitting to the journey of self discovery... It speaks to finding yourself, your place in the world and your place amongst others as you mix it up with life... with an open heart... like an empty vessel waiting for the best of what you find to fill it... As you give yourself to the world... The world gives itself to you... 🌻

I know you saw the verse I quote in Ashley's Corner so today, I will offer some more of it in the form of a Volvo car commercial which uses enough of it to convey a kernel of the things I speak of.  🌺



All that you seek is within your grasp Mrs Oliphant! Enjoy the journey and feel the power contained within each step! 🌻

Onward We Go Brave Traveler!

Ashley 💕

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻

Lori Dee

Great advice and well said. Thanks, Ash!  :-*
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Mrs. Oliphant

Thanks so much, Ashley--I'm blessed to have people like you and Lori in my life. People I never knew existed until a few days ago when I finally decided to reach out and would not take 'access denied' as an answer. The thing I love most about the woman I dream I am is she's happy. I can't see her face because I really feel like I'm her, and we're happy. I get glimpses of that place in this place. Susan's Place. I will definitely check out 'Open Road' on YouTube on tv (the acoustics on my little laptop suck). I will take your advice (and Lori's) and allow myself to be me and enjoy the journey. It helps so much knowing it's an open road I no longer walk alone.

tgirlamg

Quote from: Mrs. Oliphant on March 31, 2025, 05:11:15 PMThanks so much, Ashley--I'm blessed to have people like you and Lori in my life. People I never knew existed until a few days ago when I finally decided to reach out and would not take 'access denied' as an answer. The thing I love most about the woman I dream I am is she's happy. I can't see her face because I really feel like I'm her, and we're happy. I get glimpses of that place in this place. Susan's Place. I will definitely check out 'Open Road' on YouTube on tv (the acoustics on my little laptop suck). I will take your advice (and Lori's) and allow myself to be me and enjoy the journey. It helps so much knowing it's an open road I no longer walk alone.

@Mrs Oliphant

This path is one best traveled with friends at your side and you are amongst friends here!...All shall be well! 🌻

Onward!

A💕
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻

TanyaG

Quote from: Mrs. Oliphant on March 30, 2025, 07:41:03 PMAnd my question is this: if I embark on this journey, will I feel like the woman in my dreams while I am awake?

There's another way of looking at this, which is, 'What's the optimal route I can travel to help me understand what's the best possible destination for me?' That usually means therapy.

Therapy is at its most powerful when we use it to understand what it is within us that makes us want to travel in a direction, rather than for pinpointing an exact destination. That's because as we come to understand ourselves better, which is key to dealing with repressed issues core to our personality, so does our understanding of the circumstances in which we will be most content change.

This sounds like a chicken and egg situation, but it's not, because it's only when you are happy with being yourself you will be able to answer the question you've put here.

Our sense of self is the one part of us we can never change, but it can be tough to see the essence of that 'self' is when we're fighting against layers of masculine conditioning (it's called scripting) we don't get on with, or feminine scripting if we're travelling the other way.

What you've had is a glimpse of the essence of your 'self', though barely visible through the fog of scripting and so more easily accessed in dreams. But you've focused on it just enough to know it's there which is a massive, massive step, so don't underestimate the achievement. One way of looking at this is your innate sense of self has a feminine flavour but you've been brought up all your life with it buried under a lake of masculine sauce, a lake so deep it's impossible not to think of yourself without the masculine taste interfering.

Another metaphor to illuminate your question is think of this being like a journey through the uncharted forests of your mind, toward a treasure chest you know exists, but of whose location you are unsure and of whose contents you only have a vague idea. Only once you accept the need to make the journey, which you've done, will the path you personally need to take become clear. There'll be a nagging voice in your ear saying, 'Go back to what's safe!' but once you are confident you need to explore, not only will that voice fade, but so will the path become clearer with every step. Setting out on the journey will lead to the answers revealing themselves.

A good therapist can transform the journey by helping you see past the scripting and helping remove the taste of the sauce, if you like. And asking stupid questions here is traditional, we've all done it and continue to do so :-)

Mrs. Oliphant



What you've had is a glimpse of the essence of your 'self', though barely visible through the fog of scripting and so more easily accessed in dreams. But you've focused on it just enough to know it's there which is a massive, massive step, so don't underestimate the achievement. One way of looking at this is your innate sense of self has a feminine flavour but you've been brought up all your life with it buried under a lake of masculine sauce, a lake so deep it's impossible not to think of yourself without the masculine taste interfering.
Thanks so much TanyaG! And even more gratitude for your response in the 'normal' topic. I'm in the 'take a deep breath' stage of sauce eating. As much as I prefer the female, I can't deny the male sauce I've been served my entire life. So, I'll take another deep breath.



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Mrs. Oliphant

I apologize for the way I botched TanyaG's quote! It was my first attempt at using the tool. I intended to also quote Ashley but it's probably best if I just reference her in this reply: The Open Road is a beautiful poem and quite apropos to where I'm at. Thanks for sharing it with me.
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Quote from: Mrs. Oliphant on April 01, 2025, 11:37:46 AMI apologize for the way I botched TanyaG's quote! It was my first attempt at using the tool. I intended to also quote Ashley but it's probably best if I just reference her in this reply: The Open Road is a beautiful poem and quite apropos to where I'm at. Thanks for sharing it with me.

So glad you liked it Mrs Oliphant! The entire poem is much longer... most of the readings on YouTube are around the 18 minute mark. I love it all but usually just focus on a couple stanzas the most!

Onward We Go!

Ashley 💕
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻

TanyaG

Quote from: Mrs. Oliphant on April 01, 2025, 11:19:35 AMAs much as I prefer the female, I can't deny the male sauce I've been served my entire life. So, I'll take another deep breath.

I think everyone takes a while getting used to how quoting works here, me included! No need for apology, if we get bogged down in how IT etiquette, we're lost before we set out :-)

I find it helpful to think of gender as a separate entity to sex. The two are often conflated and some (even professionals) equate them, but if you split 'em apart as an exercise it makes it easier to understand some of what's going on in our heads. Splitting them also makes it easier to understand non-binary and why some are find their sweet spot without going down the reassignment route, or traveling only part way down it.

In these terms, gender is a purely social construct and de Beauvoir's quote, 'One is not born, but rather becomes a woman' can be applied to becoming a man as well. We aren't gendered (in the sense we're using here) at the time we're born, but instead are brought up to internalise all the thought processes, assumptions and behaviours society expects of the sex they assign us at birth. For everyone here, that's where it went wrong and where the roots of many of our troubles lie.

So from the earliest moments most of us can recall, we've had either a masculine, or feminine gender baked into us, a binary system matched up to a binary of birth assigned sex. Based on an understanding of biological variability alone, I wouldn't expect this imposition of one binary on another to be a solution for all of humanity, as is the case with sexual preferences. Perhaps more so here, because masculinity and femininity are constructs whose values have varied over centuries and cultures.

Which is the long way of saying that for some people here, a mix of sauces will be their natural state and provide a more comfortable resting point than opting for a binary end point. For others, binary solutions will work better, partly because they provide more certainty. This is where therapy delivers best, because in theory at least, a therapist has no view on what the best solution is for their client and instead works to allow them to wash away the sauce and experience their own, unique flavour for the first time.

Mrs. Oliphant

Thanks so much TanyaG. I admittedly struggle to separate gender from sexuality but can clearly discern the difference between gender and sex. Is it valid to state that gender and sexuality are separate but intrinsically linked with one another in the sense that how I choose to express one will affect the way I express the other? These are the kinds of 'authentic self' questions for which I'm seeking answers or, at the very least, understanding. I greatly appreciate the careful and insightful guidance you provide. I'm a good listener, but I'm struggling with what it is I should be listening to.

TanyaG

I guess it might help to see this exercise as a three way split?

First, there's 'sex' which I'm using here to mean 'sex assigned at birth' because otherwise we'll get lost in a maze of twisty little passages all exactly alike :-) Sex assigned at birth is binary, male or female, despite somewhere between a quarter and a half a percent of babies where it isn't easy to say, or where appearances can deceive.

Then, there's 'gender' which I'm using here to describe the mannerisms and behaviours we're brought up with, as in 'masculine' or 'feminine'. There's no reason why you can't bring up someone assigned male at birth to behave in a female gendered way or the other way around, but it's rarely done because we rely on gendered behaviour for clues about how we should behave toward someone. Masculinity and femininity exist to avoid confusion :-)

Finally, there's 'sexuality' which is shorthand for 'sexual preference'. The conservative (small 'c') view takes if for granted someone who is assigned male at birth will have masculine gendered behaviour and a sexual preference for people assigned female at birth (as in, they will be heterosexual).

As we know, 'sex' and 'sexuality' don't align like this in, at the very least, about 3% of men and 3% of women. I write 'at least' because the percentage is probably much larger than that, once you take account of people who are 'mostly straight'. In the same way neither do 'sex' and 'preferred gender' match in a percentage of us.

We're taught a simplified version of sex, gender and sexuality where all three are intrinsically linked, and we're taught it so well that even you and I have a tendency to assume they are linked, but there is nothing in nature to enforce those links. Sure, they mostly are linked, but in you and I, two of the three are not. In someone who is gay, a different pair aren't linked, while in some people here, there are no links at all.

Does this make sense? There are many ways of explaining it if it does not, but the key is in threre. It might help reading this post in my completely neglected blog here.

Lori Dee

I don't believe there are any definitive links at all.

In biological sex, there are males, females, and intersex people. In sexual preference, there are gay, lesbian, bisexual, and asexual, (and others) people. This deals with physical attraction. Put simply, homosexual (same sex), heterosexual (opposite sex), Pan- or polysexual (all of the above), and asexual (none of the above).

As Tanya pointed out, society expects that these are linked, but the evidence shows this is false simply because all of these people exist.

Gender identity is all about how you view yourself along the spectrum of masculine to feminine and everything in between, or none of the above. It has nothing to do with biological sex or sexual preference. So you can have another very complex combination of any of these. For example, I am asexual and neither male nor female but identify as trans-feminine, that is not fully female but much closer to that than masculine.

As if this variety of possible combinations wasn't enough, you also can throw romantic preference into the mix. Romance is not the same as sex. So you could prefer romance with females but prefer sex with males, or any combination including none of the above.  ;D
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Mrs. Oliphant

My head is exploding thanks to TanyaG and Lori. Okay. My breathing has returned to normal after reading and re-reading your posts. Thanks and, TanyaG, your blog will soon not be completely neglected (I've perused Lori's and Lilis' and yours is next). I agree with everything you said and the complexity of the fabric that forms my sense of self and my behaviors. Sex, gender, sexuality, romantic friendship, platonic friendship ad infinitum are distinct but interconnected. Sex is not binary but not as fluid as gender or sexuality. However, the way I choose to express any one of these components will affect, in varying degrees, the other components (with sex being the most minimally affected and sexuality likely to be the most). Am I misreading anything?
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Quote from: Mrs. Oliphant on April 02, 2025, 12:46:49 PMAm I misreading anything?

I think you got it!

There is another thread around here somewhere that was discussing changes after starting HRT. Some had no change, or were already in a committed relationship, while others found their interests had changed and they began exploring a whole new side of their sexuality!

So, yes, they do influence one another in some ways. But as you explore your true self, the question becomes, is this a new side of me? or have I just discovered the real me?  ;D
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TanyaG

Quote from: Mrs. Oliphant on April 02, 2025, 12:46:49 PMHowever, the way I choose to express any one of these components will affect, in varying degrees, the other components (with sex being the most minimally affected and sexuality likely to be the most). Am I misreading anything?

That's more or less it, the strength of the linkage varies from person to person, being stronger in some of us that in others. But since we're all taught the components are linked and internalise those links as a given, it's extremely tough to understand the conflict we find ourselves in if one or more of them is not linked.

Perhaps 'aligned' is a better way of putting it than 'linked.' For a time, most people whose alignment isn't strong will try to force the links into alignment, often, for example, by overcompensating on the masculinity axis.

But there's a price for that in the medium to long term in the shape of increased dysphoria, because in say overcompensation, someone is doing the opposite of what their natural misalignment (if you want to call it that) is calling for.

Dysphoria is the expression of that conflict and it goes away when you allow your alignment to fall where it naturally would.

Accepting having a natural alignment that differs from the one we've had drilled into us as we grow up and lived for decades is the tough bit, but from the moment you can see and accept the shape of your natural alignment (whatever it may be) the easier it gets to live it.

tgirlamg

Quote from: Lori Dee on April 02, 2025, 12:52:47 PMI think you got it!

There is another thread around here somewhere that was discussing changes after starting HRT. Some had no change, or were already in a committed relationship, while others found their interests had changed and they began exploring a whole new side of their sexuality!

So, yes, they do influence one another in some ways. But as you explore your true self, the question becomes, is this a new side of me? or have I just discovered the real me?  ;D

@Mrs Oliphant

I believe this may be the thread Lori is referring to above... I think there may be a post count requirement to access this section so if you can't yet... you will be able to soon! ( I think it is 50 posts? )

https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,246833.20.html

Things certainly changed quickly for me in my journey... from a lifetime of relationships with women to being attracted to men and marrying one to boot!

Onward!

A💕
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻

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Quote from: TanyaG on April 02, 2025, 11:18:33 AMThen, there's 'gender' which I'm using here to describe the mannerisms and behaviours we're brought up with, as in 'masculine' or 'feminine'. There's no reason why you can't bring up someone assigned male at birth to behave in a female gendered way or the other way around, but it's rarely done because we rely on gendered behaviour for clues about how we should behave toward someone. Masculinity and femininity exist to avoid confusion :-)

I have to point out that the above highlighted statement is incorrect and dangerous. We all have a gender identity and most of us have been brought up and taught mannerisms and behaviors inconsistent with our gender identity, which is the reason we are here on this site. While it is possible to bring somebody up on the wrong gender identity (at least for a while), it can cause psychological harm. Just look at the tragic case of David Reimer.