Hi

I am in UK and with this week's Supreme Court ruling the Equality & Human Rights Commission is planning in "outing" Trans people like me who have a Gender Recognition Certificate, and therefore been psychiatrically assessed, fully transitioned etc.

But the Long Form Birth Certificate from Ontario shows my previous name and gender. So this puts in great danger in UK going forward.

Can the new gender and new name be the only ones shown on a revised Long form? I have a short form but UK officials know this is dated 2017 and suspect Transgender.

So you were born in Ontario and your birth certificate has not been updated, is that correct?  It should just be a matter of asking Ontario to change your birth certificate.  They should accept your UK gender recognition certificate as documentation to support that change. 

At this time trumpist ideology has not yet hit Canada's bureaucracy, so your gender can be changed on Canadian birth certificates.

I know that revised documents are problematic in the UK (and US, and places with similar ideologies), but at least your documents would be consistent and arouse less suspicion.

Quote from: MysteyV on April 18, 2025, 02:13:47 PMI am in UK and with this week's Supreme Court ruling the Equality & Human Rights Commission

You have nothing to worry about, the ruling is about a word that word is woman, despite the media which should be ignored you are protected in UK law as a protected Characteristic, and cannot be treated in a discriminatory manner.Direction of flow, within the Equality and Human rights are two very highly competent Trans legal people, who are working at pace to perhaps side step the word woman, was one thought, I have asked some support groups that have government links to see if due process was followed and an impact assessment carried out to mitigate risk, remember we cannot be discriminated against as Gender reassignment is a protection.The other avenue that they are looking at but this will take time is the European Court.[it is also illegal to ask a UK resident if they have a gender recognition certificate and can carry a hefty fine
https://galop.org.uk/resource/trans-privacy-law/
section 22 of the Gender Recognition Act says that it's illegal for representatives of public bodies, services, businesses or employers to share your previous name, gender history or trans* identity without your consent. The difference is that it's a criminal law so instead of you needing to hire a lawyer, the police should deal with it for you. If a court finds someone guilty, they get a criminal record and a maximum fine of £5000.

Quote from: KathyLauren on April 18, 2025, 07:49:23 PMSo you were born in Ontario and your birth certificate has not been updated, is that correct?  It should just be a matter of asking Ontario to change your birth certificate.  They should accept your UK gender recognition certificate as documentation to support that change. 

At this time trumpist ideology has not yet hit Canada's bureaucracy, so your gender can be changed on Canadian birth certificates.

I know that revised documents are problematic in the UK (and US, and places with similar ideologies), but at least your documents would be consistent and arouse less suspicion.

Quote from: KathyLauren on April 18, 2025, 07:49:23 PMMy Ontario "long form" birth certificate had been updated but shows former name and gender along with current legal name and gender recognized by Gender Recognition Certificate in UK which is by Supreme Court now at risk of being ignored by so many public bodies. I appreciate the database includes all previous details but including old and new names on the paperwork is scary now.

The short form version though shows only current legal name and gender yet is dated 2017 so could trigger long form request and doubt, so the danger is if in UK police or a business or NHS etc ask for my long form 

Quote from: MysteyV on April 20, 2025, 01:05:26 AMMy Ontario "long form" birth certificate had been updated but shows former name and gender along with current legal name and gender recognized by Gender Recognition Certificate in UK which is by Supreme Court now at risk of being ignored by so many public bodies. I appreciate the database includes all previous details but including old and new names on the paperwork is scary now.

The short form version though shows only current legal name and gender yet is dated 2017 so could trigger long form request and doubt, so the danger is if in UK police or a business or NHS etc ask for my long form 

Wow, I have never heard of a birth certificate showing both old and new names.  I can see why that would be scary. 

My British birth certificate shows only my new name.  Similarly, when my wife reverted back to her maiden name after a previous marriage, her birth certificate (from another Canadian province) showed only her most recent name.  So I had never heard of one showing an old name.

The date of issue on my revised birth certificate could cause some questioning, of course.  If they ask to see the original, my response will be (1) this is an original, not a photocopy, and (2) the original original was destroyed and I requested a replacement.  The latter is not currently true - I still have it - but I can arrange for it to become true if it comes down to that. 

If the gestapo truly wanted to dox me, it would not be hard for them to find the truth.  But for casual inquiries, I will resist.

I am still waiting for my corrected BC from here in the States. If it shows corrected, I will say that my mother's name was misspelled. If it indicates anything else, well, I don't have a birth certificate then. It is a simple question to ask whoever if they carry around a copy of theirs. Most people don't. They rely on PHOTO IDs, not some historical document from decades.

My GRC application is in the UK pipeline. It takes ages and is extremely 'gatekeepery'.

If and when they grant it and a new birth certificate comes can I literally shred my old one?

xx