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Started by ConfusedMichelle, April 30, 2008, 11:44:43 AM

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ConfusedMichelle

Since October, I have lost 22 pounds.  Going from 137 to 115.

I still feel the need to lose weight.  I want to be 105 (I'm about 5'4").  I know that's probably way too skinny but I keep telling myself that's where I want to be.  I guess you could def. call me a twink.  I'm gay and look young and tiny.

My boyfriend loves me no matter what, however, he does joke about my skinniness and even worries about me.  Even my family accuses me of anorexia.  I'm not anorexic, I just don't eat near as much as I used to and I demand to be skinnier.

How do you feel about my weight? Will be it harder to hide curves and what not? Am I showing signs of an eating disordeR?
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Sarah Louise

I feel you should talk with a doctor about your desired weight.

Sarah L.
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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trannyboy

Brady, please listen to me because what you are doing in more dangerous then you could imagine. First of all there are two things called anorexia, one is Anorexia Nervosa and then there is physiological Anorexia. Anorexia is defined as a lack of normal appetite. If it is caused by a desire to lose weight as a result of unhealthy body image it is Anorexia Nervosa. If this is the case then it is it's own illness. If it is caused by another physical illness or medication then it is Physiological Anorexia and is a symptom of a larger concern that may be highly treatable.

Now there are many cases of misdiagnosis of Anorexia Nervosa when the true cause was physical but from what you are saying to me it sounds like Anorexia Nervosa. You need to go to your doctor to make sure though that there isn't a physiological cause. For the purposes of this post though I will assume Anorexia Nervosa. While many doctors would say you can't diagnosis this disorder if the person a) still has their mens or if they aren't refusing to maintain a BMI of at least 18; I personally think that is foolishness. If you went to 105 you would be under this BMI and officially qualify for Anorexia Nervosa diagnosis. Even people who maintain higher BMI (18+) are at increased health risks though.

For a minute though I would like to leave the realm of pounds and inches. Brady, you have already loss an excessive amount of weight and your goal to lose more because of your discomfort with your body smacks of Anorexia Nervosa. You state that your partner and family are worried about you, you voice a lack of insight of how your own body should look/ be and you want to go further in spite of this. These are all hallmarks of Anorexia Nervosa and sadly just because you say you don't have it means little, the signs point to this and warrant further investigation by professionals.

Now FTMs are at high risk for eating disorder because of GID and the discomfort with their bodies. I am not arguing that you should be comfortable with your body but I am arguing against a disorder that has the highest mortality rate of any mental health disorder. If this is the case then hormones can help but as long as you think that it is better to hide your body then to be healthy you will be in a bad place and need help. Men aren't really supposed to be skin and bones (and neither are women), testosterone use usually precludes this unless you are ill or starving.

I would really suggest that if you are going to have a body dysmorphic disorder that you pick something involving staying in shape. Choose roles models who are fit and healthy. People like Lance Armstrong are good choices because while they might be viewed as skinny they are in truth very healthy with a strong body. Some people just have an obsessive personality and if you must obsess then obsess about being healthy and in good physical shape, not being skin and bones.

I am worried about you because the path you are choosing is dangerous and is grounds to refuse to allow you to transition which would most likely be even harder on you. I would like you to get to your doctor and tell them the truth. You can address this with the proper support, professionals and a willingness to get better. The longer you do this the more likely it is to be fatal and untreatable. I am not joking here and I encourage you to continue to talk about this because you are valuable and deserve to have a healthy body. It isn't an easy path but it can get better.

Finally in answer to your questions, your current weight is borderline underweight. I don't like it. It will become harder to pass as you lose weight because men typically aren't that skinny. Your chest will remain and your hips might decrease but odds are you will be lose more muscle mass. This will also tend to out you. Losing or gaining weight is usually a poor way to hide your curves. You already pass without screwing your body up. You are showing signs of an eating disorder and need to get assessment and treatment. Brady get some help, ok, buddy boy? Incidentally we are the same height and I am trying to maintain 135lbs. I have physiological Anorexia that was misdiagnosed as Nervosa. You aren't alone unless you hide from yourself.

->-bleeped-<-boy
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Patroklos

I think you have a right to do whatever you please and that our opinions of your weight are irrelevant. I'm 5'6", only weigh 110, and it causes no problems for me.
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ConfusedMichelle

Wow, ->-bleeped-<-boy.  That's some scary stuff. I didn't know it was that serious.

I maintain about a 1000 calorie a day diet, going over board up to about 1400 calories some days.

I would love to work out, however, I don't have time between school in work but in the summer I should have more time.

Any idea of a good calorie amount to maintain?
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Nero

I must admit to being a bit concerned. While most guys don't have eating disorders, most guys also don't have a female body to contend with. I think it could be a manifestation of the dysphoria. However, I do think you're showing signs of an eating disorder. It's one thing to care about your health, it's another to be obsessed with weight.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Patroklos

There's a way to calculate the proper calorie intake based on your size and metabolism. However, it normally requires a doctor or a dietician.

1400 calories seems ideal, based on what I know about nutrition.

And I don't see what everyone is worried about. You don't show signs of being obsessed with weight, just a mild (and normal) concern.
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ConfusedMichelle

Sadly enough, I think I am obsessed.

Today, I've had about 500 calories and want to at most consume 1000, however, I plan on hittin about 800.  I know this isn't healthy but I can't lose weight in other ways.

I did weight watchers for a long time and it worked, but it took like 4 months to lose just like 10 pounds.  I'm comfortable with my arms/stomach/chest etc.  It's my stupid butt and thighs that I'm working on now.

What hurts the most is the fact that I'm getting obsessed with other people's weight.  My mom and sister are dieting.  My mom does a pretty good job but my sister is probably an inch shorter than me and weighs about 145.  I am very concerned about her health though I think, not her weight.  She packs in probably 1000-1800 calories at lunch and then again at dinner, with things like cake and ice cream for breakfast.  Do you think I am obsessed with her weight or health? Is it because of my own obsession?

I don't exactly know how to ask for help (my mom).  She is pretty concerned but I told her every thing is okay.  How could I say something?  (Perhaps if I visited a doctor, they could direct me to a good local therapist for T? Yes?)
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sd

You are already underweight for your height as a man.
You should be at least 130.

Average weight for 5'4"
Slim build - 130-138
Medium build - 135-145
Heavy build - 142-156

If you are on T., 105 is dangerous. 115 is bad enough. If you are not on T, I am not sure what will happen when you get on it, but it will likely be nothing good. When I was younger people thought I was 20 pounds underweight (I looked it) and people were concerned for my health.
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tekla

Brady, dude, obsessing about weight is what girls do.  Guys obsess about power, money and girls.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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sneakersjay

Brady, I had anorexia in high school, because I couldn't stand curvy female bodies.  I wanted to keep my flat ironing board shape.  I succeeded, but it set me up for YEARS of hating my body, years of binging and starving (I never purged or took laxatives) and obsessive exercising.  It wasn't until almost my 40s that I was finally more accepting of my body, fat OR thin.

Seriously, do some soul searching.  I, too, thought I couldn't possibly have a 'disease.'  I was obsessed with calories, obsessed with the scale, obsessed with going 'lower' each day.  I think you are bordering on possibly going over the edge with an eating disorder.

I totally understand, man.  BTDT.  But you're lucky.  You'll be taking T soon.  I'm more than TWICE your age (ouch! lol) and I haven't started yet either.

Take care of yourself.  Just think ahead to T and working out.

Jay


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ConfusedMichelle

You guys actually really helped me.

I actually ate a real dinner tonight and went shopping for healthy, sensible foods that I WILL start eating more of tomorrow.

Although I'm still going to eat healthy, I'm going to try to get a little more food in me.

Thanks a lot yall :)
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Patroklos

Quote from: sd on April 30, 2008, 05:40:43 PM
Average weight for 5'4"
Slim build - 130-138
Medium build - 135-145
Heavy build - 142-156

If you are on T., 105 is dangerous. 115 is bad enough. If you are not on T, I am not sure what will happen when you get on it, but it will likely be nothing good. When I was younger people thought I was 20 pounds underweight (I looked it) and people were concerned for my health.

Where does your information come from? I think you're mistaken. I know bio guys who are perfectly healthy and weigh 125 at 6'1. Everyone is different.
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Scratchy Wilson

Quote from: tekla on April 30, 2008, 05:50:28 PM
obsessing about weight is what girls do.  Guys obsess about power, money and girls.
LMAO
Ouch. You sound like the man eating, blood thirsty, neo-femmenist that lives down the street from me.  :-\

Brady, try working out dude. You dont need to go to the gym everyday; according to ACSM guidelines in order for strength building to be affective you only need to lift 2-3 times a week, 1 set of 10-12 reps, and do 8-10 different exercises. That'd take you maybe an hour, tops. Try setting a workout goal that specafies which days you will work out durring the week. It worked for me.  ;D
Good luck buddy!
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sd

Quote from: Milo on April 30, 2008, 07:31:48 PM
Quote from: sd on April 30, 2008, 05:40:43 PM
Average weight for 5'4"
Slim build - 130-138
Medium build - 135-145
Heavy build - 142-156

If you are on T., 105 is dangerous. 115 is bad enough. If you are not on T, I am not sure what will happen when you get on it, but it will likely be nothing good. When I was younger people thought I was 20 pounds underweight (I looked it) and people were concerned for my health.

Where does your information come from? I think you're mistaken. I know bio guys who are perfectly healthy and weigh 125 at 6'1. Everyone is different.

Only if they are a rail.
Those numbers are pretty standard in the medical community. I was quoted similar as a child since I was so skinny.
There are charts all over for weight vs. height. At 6'1" 150, people thought I would not even qualify for the Air Force due to how skinny I was.

Just search for "height weight ratio"
I found 3 right away that agree.
At 115@5'4", Brady is at the lower end of a woman's average.
Any lower than 105 pounds, he would not even qualify for the Marines.

By the way, for 6'1", 150 pounds is the lowest for a small framed male. I was that height/weight and typically wore the smallest pants I could get for my inseam. Shopping was a real pain. More than once I had to have the waist taken in or wear a belt just to keep them up.
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J.T.

Brady, glad to hear you had a healthy dinner.  What is most important is your health, no matter what weight you are.  And in order to be healthy you need to eat enough calories so your body/brain can function at full capacity.  Otherwise you risk serious damage.  Not just physical, but mental as well.

I've had two really good friends battle with eating disorders, and it scares the ->-bleeped-<- out of me.  Both didn't think they had a problem until it was almost too late. 

We're here for you dude...
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noxdraconis

I think you need to look at yourself from another angle.  You seem to be of the mindset that weight loss is what determines being fit.  It is not kilograms that you really want to loose, it is centimeters.  Muscle is denser than fat, so two people can have the same height and weight, but the slimmer one is the one with more muscle mass.   Scratchy here is right.  EXERCISE is the key.  I am 1.55 meters and 68 kilo.  Am I fat or unhealthy? No, because it is mostly muscle mass thus keeping me in good and fit proportions.  If you kept those 10 pounds that you desire to loose as muscle mass, you will be much better off than if you got rid of the weight altogether.

PS. judging by your avitar pic, you look quite fit to me, so no need to obsess.  (words from a die-hard aestheticist)


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Patroklos

Quote from: sd on April 30, 2008, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: Milo on April 30, 2008, 07:31:48 PM
Quote from: sd on April 30, 2008, 05:40:43 PM
Average weight for 5'4"
Slim build - 130-138
Medium build - 135-145
Heavy build - 142-156

If you are on T., 105 is dangerous. 115 is bad enough. If you are not on T, I am not sure what will happen when you get on it, but it will likely be nothing good. When I was younger people thought I was 20 pounds underweight (I looked it) and people were concerned for my health.

Where does your information come from? I think you're mistaken. I know bio guys who are perfectly healthy and weigh 125 at 6'1. Everyone is different.

Only if they are a rail.
Those numbers are pretty standard in the medical community. I was quoted similar as a child since I was so skinny.
There are charts all over for weight vs. height. At 6'1" 150, people thought I would not even qualify for the Air Force due to how skinny I was.

Just search for "height weight ratio"
I found 3 right away that agree.
At 115@5'4", Brady is at the lower end of a woman's average.
Any lower than 105 pounds, he would not even qualify for the Marines.

All of the FTMs here should be comparing to the female scale for reference as we all have female bodies.
The disparity between my height and weight is greater than Brady's but every time I discuss it with a doctor I am told that I have nothing to worry about because it's my natural state. I see no reason why he should have to worry either, as long as he's taking care of himself.
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tekla

I am the man eating, blood thirsty, neo-feminist down the street from you.  (and thanks, that is the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time.)  And it does seem that guys, as a rule, are not obsessed about weight to the degree that women are - could be a social/cultural deal, but it does seem to be true.

And where I live and work, if someone dropped that much weight in that amount of time we would not be thinking anorexia.  We would think, AIDS or Meth, and since the second one is obvious it must be the first.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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sd

Quote from: Milo on April 30, 2008, 09:23:09 PM
All of the FTMs here should be comparing to the female scale for reference as we all have female bodies.
The disparity between my height and weight is greater than Brady's but every time I discuss it with a doctor I am told that I have nothing to worry about because it's my natural state. I see no reason why he should have to worry either, as long as he's taking care of himself.
True to a point, but he is still heading down pretty low. Just be careful Brady.
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