I'm still flabbergasted that I qualify as "Older Age"!  But it changes nothing.  I must still be struggling for self justifying the way I feel and expressing gratitude for how my life is turning out, because I can't seem to leave this behind the last couple of days.  While trying to glean nuggets of truth to help one of our younger members reduce dysphoria, I found this from the innerwebs:

My name is Sammi, and I'm an older, more mature trans woman than you usually see with a story.
Are you starting your MTF transition after 30? Are you starting your MTF Transition after 50? Perhaps you're even transitioning as an AMAB person after 70.

This story could be for you.

Transitioning as an Older Trans Woman
A story for the older male-to-female trans women transitioning after 30, 40, or 50.

I was recently sitting around a table at work with two colleagues when a young student looked over at us and said

Wow, do you know that in a few years your combined age will be 200?
He was a little out; our combined age is currently 184, but still... Naturally, we smiled and swiftly changed the subject.

This incident got me thinking about age and how different life would have been, had I been able to transition when I was young.

Read More:

https://www.gendergp.com/transitioning-in-older-age/

Like the entire article, but especially this:

...when I grew up I had no idea what a trans person really was, all I knew was that I was different. Times have thankfully moved on. This makes it easier for the older, more mature trans women like me.

Great piece, good catch. There was just nothing back in the sixties and seventies. Even the interweb lay twenty five years in the future. You couldn't read anything in a library, in the newspapers (no social media, of course!) the word 'trans' was completed by everyone with '...vestite' and on the few occasions it wasn't, was completed with '...sexual' in an atmosphere of such prurience it is hard to imagine now.

Transsexualism was just beginning to become the prevailing theory and was based on Freud's collapsing of sex, gender and sexual orientation, which led to some awful mistakes. One of the joint editors on an influential book about transsexualism at the time was guess who? Money, the psychologist who gained retrospective fame for the David Reimer case. It was such a mire I'm amazed any of us managed to wade through it and not drown 

Quote from: D'Amalie on May 02, 2025, 09:27:57 AMLike the entire article, but especially this:

...when I grew up I had no idea what a trans person really was, all I knew was that I was different. Times have thankfully moved on. This makes it easier for the older, more mature trans women like me.

when I grew up it much the same in the early 60's I can't even recall much of anything even about gay ir lesbian let alone ->-bleeped-<-.  I had a troubled childhood.  Having been moved from country to country at a very young age. Noo one ever even talked about these things in my circle. I went to Catholic scools until I returned to the USA in 74. But after I joined the military,  My exposure soon became more into these topics. The gay community became more prevalent.  It took center stage as time passed. It soon became a common and normality in the USA. I can't seem to think that this will eventually happen with the transgender community in time. I think the biggest hurdle is that the society we are part of is not caught up with this yet. But I do feel it will. But there is the stigma with children being exploited I fear among society.

I don't know that I even knew back then what I would have thought if I knew what I knew now...

Quote from: Annaliese on May 03, 2025, 10:02:28 AMwhen I grew up it much the same in the early 60's I can't even recall much of anything even about gay ir lesbian let alone ->-bleeped-<-.  I had a troubled childhood.  Having been moved from country to country at a very young age. Noo one ever even talked about these things in my circle. I went to Catholic scools until I returned to the USA in 74. But after I joined the military,  My exposure soon became more into these topics. The gay community became more prevalent.  It took center stage as time passed. It soon became a common and normality in the USA. I can't seem to think that this will eventually happen with the transgender community in time. I think the biggest hurdle is that the society we are part of is not caught up with this yet. But I do feel it will. But there is the stigma with children being exploited I fear among society.

I don't know that I even knew back then what I would have thought if I knew what I knew now...

Can you clarify this?

Quote from: Devlyn on May 03, 2025, 11:03:41 AMCan you clarify this?

I just speak to what I see in the media and around my sphere of people I know. Maybe exploit was the wrong word.  Perception that children are not able to make their own decisions about their own life choices is where I was going. Parents in some cases are being taken out of the decision and I think this is what I see as a big concern for many that is hard to deal with. I'm  not saying that this is right or wrong. I am just stating what I see as a stumbling block on the forward progress of the community.  This has become as I see it a big talking point that has shined a light on the community besides men in womans sports. This I think is what I was trying to state.

Quote from: Annaliese on May 03, 2025, 11:33:57 AMI just speak to what I see in the media and around my sphere of people I know. Maybe exploit was the wrong word.  Perception that children are not able to make their own decisions about their own life choices is where I was going. Parents in some cases are being taken out of the decision and I think this is what I see as a big concern for many that is hard to deal with. I'm  not saying that this is right or wrong. I am just stating what I see as a stumbling block on the forward progress of the community.  This has become as I see it a big talking point that has shined a light on the community besides men in womans sports. This I think is what I was trying to state.

Those are dog whistle talking points spread by our detractors. Children aren't being forced to do anything. Parents ARE NOT being taken out of any decisions.

Quote from: Devlyn on May 03, 2025, 12:00:57 PMThose are dog whistle talking points spread by our detractors. Children aren't being forced to do anything. Parents ARE NOT being taken out of any decisions.

I'm not saying they are. I never said anything about being FORCED. And IN SOME STATES THERE ARE PROCESSES THAT ALLOW CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS TO BYPASS PARENTS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. I'm just stating what I see as possible stumbling blocks I see in our progress forward with this society.  Some peoples perception is their reality. 

We can't deny that this is what is in the media. I believe that eventually this will be overcome and will sort it's self out. But these types of issues are not instantly solved. I believe our younger generation will be playing a major role in our communities progress in the future.

@Devlyn

Your avatar is rockin' sister!!!...  Hoping all is well in España!

Hugs!

A 💕

@tgirlamg
    I agree. 
Also your Avatar and many others here on the Forum are also quite rockin'

HUGS, Danielle [Northern Star Girl]

Quote from: tgirlamg on May 03, 2025, 12:40:23 PM@Devlyn '

Your avatar is rockin' sister!!!...  Hoping all is well in España!

Hugs!

A 💕

Aww, thanks ladies! 

That's an older pic, after the forum crash it defaulted back to that one. Probably taken around 2017/2018? 

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Devlyn on May 03, 2025, 02:37:29 PMAww, thanks ladies! 

That's an older pic, after the forum crash it defaulted back to that one. Probably taken around 2017/2018? 

Hugs, Devlyn

I like that pic. I think it's the only one I have seen, though.
<---- post crash newb. 

Yeah Dev is gorgeous, like the rest of you. You all have that light that shines behind your smile. Every pic I've seen of her, she looks.. happy. You can always tell when a smile is genuine.

  As one who started transitioning at 60, I have been filled with the what if's. If I transitioned at 20 or younger would my life had been better, different.? Would I have missed having a family, child, love of my wife? The list goes on and on. The only thing I can come up with is life is life. Decisions are made and we move forward. Good, bad, whatever. There is no sense dwelling on the past, at least I finally got up the courage to do it and live the rest of my life happy.
   In the 60-70's there was really not any info out there about transitioning. Of course we had Benny Hill dressing as a woman and getting laughs about it and Klinger on Mash trying to get a section 8 (crazy) discharge because of it. But real info was not available. Fast forward, family develops, work and friends form. It all seamed harder to transition and possibly lose all this until it really didn't matter anymore. 

Quote from: Gina P on May 04, 2025, 06:53:24 AMThe only thing I can come up with is life is life. Decisions are made and we move forward.

We all reach our own compromises and the process and experiences which lead us to our decisions is dynamic, so there's no way of looking back. Which is kind of fun, I think, knowing there isn't a universal solution, but instead an infinite combination of different ones, because we've all led such varied lives.

Quote from: Gina P on May 04, 2025, 06:53:24 AMAs one who started transitioning at 60, I have been filled with the what if's. If I transitioned at 20 or younger would my life had been better, different.? Would I have missed having a family, child, love of my wife? The list goes on and on. The only thing I can come up with is life is life. Decisions are made and we move forward. Good, bad, whatever. There is no sense dwelling on the past, at least I finally got up the courage to do it and live the rest of my life happy.
   In the 60-70's there was really not any info out there about transitioning. Of course we had Benny Hill dressing as a woman and getting laughs about it and Klinger on Mash trying to get a section 8 (crazy) discharge because of it. But real info was not available. Fast forward, family develops, work and friends form. It all seamed harder to transition and possibly lose all this until it really didn't matter anymore.

This is exactly how I feel Gina.Back then you might read the odd salacious story about some girl being outed.ie Caroline Cossey.There was never any information regarding hormones /srs or transitioning in general. Well at least not where I grew up. I believe if that information had been more available I would have transitioned back then.Life complicates things