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Which countries are "Safe" for (trans) women?

Started by Tills, April 16, 2025, 11:41:41 PM

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TanyaG

Quote from: Tills on June 16, 2025, 11:04:02 PMPolice Service of Northern Ireland. It's a bit old hat now since The Good Friday Agreement between the two countries. The Troubles, as they were euphemistically termed, are a thing of the past.

The Troubles are over in one way but they're not in another. I love the place, but over the decades have learned to see it through Irish eyes. It's a land where there are constant reminders of the division, in the form of the many ruins left from the disastrous Civil War that followed the War of Independence. The split that followed is reflected yet in Irish politics and while the border remains, the tension will always be there.

It's a quiet thing, barely visible at first, but the better you get to know Ireland, the more you'll begin to see it. We were in a bar a few years ago in Cork, still a hotbed of Republicanism, as the south and west tends to be, and our friend's wife said, 'People are looking at you because you're singing along.' I was, 'Why?' and she said, 'Because you're Brits and they don't expect you to know the words, let alone repeat them!' In the end we were invited on the stage by the band and I had to admit to the crowd we'd not being doing it consciously, but we got a cheer all the same.

In the south, it's still the case in some areas that catholic farmers won't work with protestant ones and vice versa. This thing runs deep, but once you're aware of it, it's easy to stay out of it.

Two films are worth seeing by anyone who wants to visit Ireland. The first, which absolutely captures the spirit of the old border, is Eat the Peach. It's sweet and funny and we've seen it three times, I'll not spoil it by spilling the plot. The other, more serious, is The Wind that Shakes the Barley, which captures the essence of what the War of Independence and the Civil War did to Ireland.

If anyone wants to read a book about what Ireland was like not that long ago, J.G. Farrell's Troubles is an absolute must read. It's not serious and it's extraordinarily well written. If the content at times seem unbelievable, there is hardly anything in it that I haven't seen in Ireland at one time or another. It's the most magical piece of writing.

Tills

I think, if I may say so Tanya, that you may be rather out of date. I know you have built a career out of conciliation between factions but one can get stuck in the mindset that there are factions to reconcile. If you view a world through that lens then you'll see it.

I first came to Ireland many years ago and things are entirely different now. I don't want anyone coming to this thread with a possible view of looking to settle in Ireland to be put off by something that was true thirty years ago, or more.

I'll write-up thoughts for people when I've come to the end of my tour. A phrase that used to have another meaning in these parts.

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TanyaG

Quote from: Tills on June 17, 2025, 08:58:00 AMI think, if I may say so Tanya, that you may be rather out of date. I know you have a career built out of conciliation between factions but one can get stuck in the mindset that there are factions to reconcile. If you view a world through that lens then you'll see it.

I'm sure it depends where you go and what company you keep, Tills, but we were last there just before Covid and the place hasn't changed that much since. As our friend says, you could live there a long time as an outsider and never be aware of it. It's not something that is likely to cause anyone serious problems but an awareness of the country's conflicted past consequent on British settlement is worth respecting, if that makes sense.
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Tills

Quote from: TanyaG on June 17, 2025, 09:06:11 AMI'm sure it depends where you go and what company you keep, Tills, but we were last there just before Covid and the place hasn't changed that much since. As our friend says, you could live there a long time as an outsider and never be aware of it. It's not something that is likely to cause anyone serious problems but an awareness of the country's conflicted past consequent on British settlement is worth respecting, if that makes sense.

It does Tanya.

I'm sure you don't mean it to sound condescending though, but it all does a tad. You know, you're the insider with the insight kind of thing.

I've spent all my life nomadically around the world and wouldn't presume to say I knew a country better than anyone else, even those whose languages I speak fluently, nor that I had insights that others haven't.

I'm primarily concerned that no one is put off Ireland by erroneous and esoteric "information". There may be reasons for people on this forum not to consider settling here but the old Troubles isn't one of them. And nor is it anything like the conservative country you have implied. It's far more progressive on so many levels than the UK.

Anyway I just arrived in Dublin on my multi-circular routes around the country. I came here once to be interviewed for a senior lectureship at Trinity College.

Peace

xx

TanyaG

Quote from: Tills on June 17, 2025, 11:12:35 AMI'm sure you don't mean it to sound condescending though, but it all does a tad. You know, you're the insider with the insight kind of thing.

Not so, and very far from my intention, but I can no more stop you interpreting it as you wish, Tills, than I can influence the rate at which you breathe.
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Dances With Trees

Recent posts had all the trappings and tensions of a philosophical debate. I loved it! Especially the good natured ribbing. Okay. Well, ribbing at any rate. But most informative and enlightening. I learned so much about Ireland in a few posts. Thanks Tills and Tanya.
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Sarah B

Hi Everyone

There are now 3 web sites that list which places are safe.  The first two have been listed previously.

Which states in the US and countries are safe are listed below:


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Tills

Thanks Sarah: that's really great. Excellent links for proper objective analysis

I'm still travelling solo through Ireland, using local and national transport (buses, trams, trains) rather than any tourist ones.

More to come when I get back to the UK, which I'm partly dreading.  Mine will be an anecdotal report but I'll try and separate some objective observations from my own preferences.

More anon.

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Devlyn

A bit of snooping around has taught me that my family hails from the Cork county and Galway areas.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn
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Dances With Trees

Quote from: Tills on Today at 10:17:26 AMMore anon.
I look forward to your impressions and observations. Safe travels and just have fun.
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Tills

Quote from: Devlyn on Today at 10:34:17 AMA bit of snooping around has taught me that my family hails from the Cork county and Galway areas.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn

I'm looking out over Galway Bay at this very moment :)
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ChrissyRyan

According to a YouTube video creator, here is what they as a couple found it cost per month in US Dollars to live in a truly USA upper middle class setting:


$7,300 USA
$2,100 Vietnam
$2,400 Thailand
$2,900 Mexico
$3,800 Italy

For the USA they were living in the Atlanta, GA area.

They did mention it is very possible to live on less money per month but they stressed their USA upper middle class lifestyle.

They did say that Thailand is very modern.  In fact, like the USA but far more modern.


Chrissy

Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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