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Is being trangender really at risk in USA ?

Started by Roberta_Italy, April 14, 2025, 09:24:46 AM

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Lexxi

I'm not sure which county it is in Texas that does this, but it's against the law for a trans person to go into the bathroom of their gender identity. As crazy as it sounds one of those Texas counties but out a $10,000 bounty for people to collect if they find a transgender person in a bathroom that doesn't match their birth gender.

So please be very careful.
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Jessica_Rose

Quote from: Lexxi on April 17, 2025, 11:42:07 PMI'm not sure which county it is in Texas that does this, but it's against the law for a trans person to go into the bathroom of their gender identity. As crazy as it sounds one of those Texas counties but out a $10,000 bounty for people to collect if they find a transgender person in a bathroom that doesn't match their birth gender.

So please be very careful.

It's Odessa, TX. There may be others.

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Urban Texas should continue to be safe.  The Rural Texas divide with Austin is age old and showing up in this battle today. This fall will be telling though as we digest this years Texas legislative session. That is based on experience earned having worked in Austin. Maybe relocation needs to be added to many planning lists. I had long thought UK safer then Texas until this week in their Supreme Court.

Roberta_Italy

So, here I am, almost ready to fly to USA:  I'll be landing in Houston Texas in a week , for a business related trip.  While Erin in the Morning marks Texas as a "don't travel"  state for foreign transgender people, and  I'm quite worried.
Traveling with M passport, and a personal appearance that can vary from somehow androgynous to frankly feminine dependint on outfit, hair style makeup etc...
For the border control I think I'll go for the androgenous look, minimum makeup tied up hair, but what to do after, in day by day life (I'm planning to stay one week) ? 
The most prudent solution should be misgender myself and present as a male, but that hurts !!! I wish to show the real me, as a woman, and I ask you firends, do I risk being arrested ?  for instance if I enter into a ladies bathroom in a restaurant ?
sorry to bother you, any advice would be helplful at this time
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Athena

Hey Roberta as apparently a passing trans woman, I live about 10 minutes from the Michigan border which is apparently a relatively trans friendly state and I still will not risk travel to the U.S. anymore. My passport is listed as female.

If there is no way to avoid travel to the U.S. then sanitize your electronics. If you have anything criticizing Trump or even anything showing that you are trans then get rid of it before travel to the U.S.

Looking at your profile picture you pass very well but with "M" on your passport be very careful, I wouldn't even bring clothes that are even slightly feminine. It's a terrible situation but I.C.E. is terrible and they look for any reason to at best refuse entry at worst take into custody to foreign nationals. Expect that they will be looking through your electronics, they may even ask your opinion on the current administration.

I know as a trans woman I am very paranoid but currently I believe there are 55 Canadians in ICE custody at the moment and 1 died last week in custody. I don't know the reason that they are in custody but even if I wasn't trans I would be concerned about travel to the U.S. in this environment.

Anyways as I said I am extremely paranoid but stay safe and don't give them a reason.
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Pema

Quote from: Roberta_Italy on July 03, 2025, 04:24:13 AMSo, here I am, almost ready to fly to USA:  I'll be landing in Houston Texas in a week , for a business related trip.  While Erin in the Morning marks Texas as a "don't travel"  state for foreign transgender people, and  I'm quite worried.
Traveling with M passport, and a personal appearance that can vary from somehow androgynous to frankly feminine dependint on outfit, hair style makeup etc...
For the border control I think I'll go for the androgenous look, minimum makeup tied up hair, but what to do after, in day by day life (I'm planning to stay one week) ? 
The most prudent solution should be misgender myself and present as a male, but that hurts !!! I wish to show the real me, as a woman, and I ask you firends, do I risk being arrested ?  for instance if I enter into a ladies bathroom in a restaurant ?
sorry to bother you, any advice would be helplful at this time
ciao
Roberta

Honestly, I think anything is possible in Texas. Some of it depends on where in Texas you're going. Places like Austin, San Antonio, and other cities with universities are likely to be "safer," but all it takes is one redneck or a small group of them to have an ugly situation.

I'm someone who feels a strong responsibility to share my authentic self with the people in my life. My mother lives in Texas, and I would not take the risk of exposing myself there.

If you can, I recommend trying to stay close to people who will defend you if necessary.
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Roberta_Italy

Hi friends,
first of all let me thank you all who gave me support in getting ready for my trip to USA.

Eventulally I did it:  I was one full week in Houston - Texas and all went well.

Having the M  gender marker in my passport, for the immigration procedures only I removed any trace of makeup and strictly tied my hair; I was wearing kind or genderless baggy throusers and T-shirt, and I had no issues in the passport control.

In the following days I was back in feminine mode, also during my working days in a mechanical workshop in the neighborood of Houston (my role was kind of advisor). I made clear with the local management that I was a Transgender person, asked about their bathroom policy and I was allowed to use the Ladies. 
Most of the times I was addressed as Ma'am, occasionally I was misgendered and it's annoying but ok, I can survive.  I didn't record any aggressive o discriminating action by anybody.

So in conclusion, I was a very positive stay, no issue at all, even though I was always aware that law was under several points of view against us transgender community and I was very careful in all my actions

cheers

Roberta

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Thanks for the update, Roberta!

Good to see you back here. We are happy that you had no issues with your trip.
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As an aside, "transgenders" is considered a slur. Using that noun to describe transgender people (or even to say "transgendered people") is not advised. I'm older, as many of us are, and terms change. I know it's sometimes hard to keep up, but we need to try.

Roberta: I'm very happy that the trip went well for you. Unfortunately, people from outside of the U.S. have been led to believe that we're all living in a dystopian hellscape. I can tell you that while our current federal administration is indeed horrific, there are many states, counties, cities and towns here that DO respect LGBTQ people. Unfortunately, a significant portion of our population has been mislead. They've been fed lies and misinformation and most remain plugged into an information network that reinforces their biases. I do wish people would educate themselves and learn about what's going wrong here, but most don't want their beliefs challenged. And blaming "others" for their perceived problems is a go-to strategy, one that is largely paid for by wealthy folks who are happy to pit us against one another while they cheat on their taxes, destroy the planet and pick our pockets.

But I digress.

I have an "X" gender marker on both my driver's license and passport. It most accurately reflects how I feel about my gender right now. I present as male but years of HRT have softened my looks to something neither male nor female. I know that my choice has made it potentially difficult for me, but I haven't yet run into any trouble. There are definitely a few countries to which I cannot travel!

The searching of electronic devices at the border is relatively rare and no, customs officers are not asking if people "like Trump." This is one of those urban legends that has grown legs. If anyone has DIRECTLY experienced something different, I'd love to hear about it, but the stories always come from "my uncle's employee's mother-in-law, so be wary of stuff you read online.



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Tills

Quote from: Dances With Trees on April 14, 2025, 08:38:47 PMIreland does have a travel advisory.

Hi Dances. What is the travel advisory for Ireland?
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Quote from: Dances With Trees on April 14, 2025, 07:25:43 PMI'm just saying that if the US Department of State issued a travel advisory not to travel to Australia, I would probably go to New Zealand. Are foreign trans people safe traveling to the U.S.? I don't know. I don't go anywhere. But I would love to see New Zealand.

I loved Australia and have a booking to go back there this autumn, although I may remain in Ireland.

NZ was great too but somewhat over-hyped in my humble opinion, apart from the Milford Sound which exceeded everything and is one of the most beautiful places I've ever been. Mind you, so is Lake Louise and that's not so far. The Canadian Rockies are every bit as beautiful as the Southern Alps, more so in my opinion.

The visa info given earlier isn't quite correct. As a UK citizen you must apply for an e-visa before visiting either Aus or NZ and for NZ you have to fill out a biosecurity section.

Both countries were a breeze. Go as a woman, live as a woman. No one gives a sh*t ;)  Aussies were super friendly and super-chilled. Kiwis were marginally more reserved imho but that's nothing to do with your gender: more of a settler spirit in tough terrain and true for all-comers.

If you want to live the rest of your life forgetting you were ever born into the wrong body and relaxing that you won't ever again need to discuss the issue or face discrimination ... go and live in Sydney.

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Now, I don't mean to be offensive to my US friends but personally I thought the US was an awful mess long before the orange oik was elected.

The cities are imho horrendous and there's so much homelessness and crime. I never felt safe walking around and was on the receiving end of fraud and crime. Even walking 400 metres I was followed by gangs of homeless people clearly high. They were bussing people in from rural areas and dumping them in the city centres. As Brian Cox so memorably put it in Succession, 'I don't like being away from the US for too long. There's a merciless I miss.'

Beautiful in parts but regardless of gender I wouldn't go anywhere near the US again. When I made my circumnavigation last year I flew from Fiji to Vancouver to avoid touching down back in the USA.

Sad to see such a great country go downhill so much. But I guess that's why (uneducated) people elected Trump.

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Tills

A question.

If you're travelling to the US on an overseas passport marked F and you are wearing makeup and let's throw in that you are post-op and have a gender recognition certificate with F on your birth certificate ...

... how do they decide that you are not who you say?

I was chatting to my hairdresser the other day whose cousin is 6' 3" and who body builds. She has been challenged and misgendered even though in TERFdom she was born "biologically" female*


*This "biological sex" reductionism as currently deployed for haters is something we must challenge
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KathyLauren

Quote from: Tills on Today at 12:29:05 AMIf you're travelling to the US on an overseas passport marked F and you are wearing makeup and let's throw in that you are post-op and have a gender recognition certificate with F on your birth certificate ...

... how do they decide that you are not who you say?

If you are 100% passable, you might get away with it.  Maybe.  If there is any doubt in their minds, I don't think there would  be a presumption of innocence.

I would be in the situation you describe if I were stupid enough to try to cross the border.  If they look at you and wonder if you might be trans, there will likely be no presumption of innocence.  Your birth certificate will be evidence against you, since its date of issue will not correspond to your age.  A gender recognition certificate would be the kiss of death.  You would be accused of travelling with false documents (On a passport, an "F" gender marker for an AMAB person or vice versa is considered fraud).  If you are on US soil, you would be arrested and detained.  Possibly in El Salvador or Aligator Auschwitz, and certainly in the population of your birth sex.

Canadians have a slight advantage in that, when travelling by air, we clear US Customs and Immigration on Canadian soil, at the departure airport.  So if they find you inadmissible, all they can do is not let you on the plane.  That doesn't apply when crossing the border by car.
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Quote from: Tills on Yesterday at 11:57:12 PMgo and live in Sydney.
Sorry, Tills, you caught me a bit off guard with the Ireland travel advisory thing. Truth be told, I have no idea what I was talking about. But I have no argument concerning your perception of travel to the U.S.A. The Orange Man is a symptom, not a cause.
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ChrissyRyan

I think it can be somewhat bad for some of us in some parts of the country.

If you can usually pass / get by that helps a lot.  We need to try to stay safe as possible and be aware of our surroundings. 

In terms of local attitudes, that too can vary.  I guess I have been overall very fortunate so far.  It has been better the longer I have transitioned.  I can speak only for me though.


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