Quote from: Nichole on May 27, 2008, 10:43:35 AM
The opposite of female AND male is "not human." Our ranges exist within each of us and tend to be developed in ways that are conditioned by the culture and the society we live in.

You do realise you're replying to a neutrois right?  You should read 15 posts up, which mentions how I identify. This reads to me like conflating gender role with gender identity or conflating masculinity with male and femininity with female.  I don't see how society and culture have 'developed' my gender identity at all.  I subscribe to the view that it's something inate not something nurtured

As for the rest of your post.  Very much agreed.

See also apologies above and below.

If innate-ness was all that bothered you, let me add it.

Do I believe there are certain biological facts that make us 'tend' toward certain ways of feeling out gender and sex? Well, yes, Almost certainly the reason so many humans regard themselves as one or the other I due to horman-bathes or the lack of them
in uetero. I do find that there appears to be a natural inclination among estrogen-laden individuals to move 'closer together' when threatened than is true of testosterone-laden individuals. Estrogen appears to enhance wiring for 'communion' and testosterone enhances wiring for 'agency.'

There also does appear to be a favoring of 'intuitive' behaviors that appear to be hormonally-affected with both hormones. However, the natural inclinations do not seem as completely determining as do the factors of conditioning to make stronger whatever that inclination happens to be.
Those traits seem to me to be the most noticeable effects of different hormones.

Nichole

Quote from: Nichole on May 27, 2008, 12:19:13 PM
Yes, I understood that leaving out your particular identification was going to be problematic for you, Andra. I tend to lump us all in there as human and the male-female bits, along with the neutrality, is simply a part of human. Some humans partake, perhaps, more of one than of the other. Others perhaps balance or mostly balance such inclinations.

Ah so you realised you were calling me "not human" then?  Thanks.

Luckily I've stopped expecting any bloody better around here...
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Quote from: Andra on May 27, 2008, 12:51:06 PM

Quote from: Nichole on May 27, 2008, 12:19:13 PM
Yes, I understood that leaving out your particular identification was going to be problematic for you, Andra. I tend to lump us all in there as human and the male-female bits, along with the neutrality, is simply a part of human. Some humans partake, perhaps, more of one than of the other. Others perhaps balance or mostly balance such inclinations.

Ah so you realised you were calling me "not human" then?  Thanks.

Luckily I've stopped expecting any bloody better around here...
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That is a case of taking offense when none is intended. I apologize for my thoughtlessness in defining human unintentionally as 'male and female.' It was thoughtless and thank you for clarifying to me my thoughlessness. Please accept my apologies and I would ask them as well of any others I unintentionally left out. Of course, I believe we are all human. 


Nichole

locked for just a bit. sorry for starting this.

Quote from: Nero on May 26, 2008, 04:24:45 PM
Happy Memorial Day.

I realized (with Andra's help ) that I don't know what 'bigender' means.
So what is bigender?
My understanding is that it is either of two things - a person with DID or a person who gives names to both their masculine and feminine side?
Help me out here.

I don't know. I don't have a clue. It sounds like another explanation for androgyny. Okay... so maybe I have a clue.  However I'll support anyone who identifies as such

C