There is another thread floating around here somewhere about this topic. I have both the girly elbow and matching length fingers, and i'm a guy. There are also a few other physical features I have that I consider more feminine than masculine.

There have been in many studies and the ring/index finger ratio has been proven to indicate the level of
hormones at key times during pregnancy. What it causes or indicates is still unproven.

Most if not all guys I've seen, especially athlete's all have the male type ratio. The higher the T the bigger
the ratio. One thing to keep in mind is the difference is VERY small.. only a few mm.

Amanda

I have a very female ratio (extreme even) yet was a top athlete everywhere I went,
was ranked fifth in Canada in High Jump.

Though, my frame is very slight, which means even a lower amount
of muscles can power me up :-).

Add me to the female finger and arm club...  I have female results on both test... very interesting ....

gina

My sister is 'double jointed' and can bend her elbows back at such an angle that it looks almost like a deformity. When she was younger she could easily bend over backwards and touch the floor behind her with her hands.

But to get back on topic, I have observed the "carrying angle" phenomenon of many women and I would say that over 90% of genetic women display this feature and also the ability to bend or curl the fingers back at a greater angle than most men. The latter is a very definitive female characteristic, put to good use when gesturing.

Those like me who were not born with these features can exercise and practice in order to achieve greater suppleness in the joints of the fingers, wrists and elbows, which can help us to conform better to genetic female characteristics. Danae Doyle deals with this issue in one of her helpful tutorial videos.
Louise

I've always been able to put both legs behind my head, no effort at all,
but so can male acrobats so I don't know if it means much.

Very interesting. I knew about the finger ratio thing, and I do have a female ratio. I compared it to several male coworkers and none of theirs was even close mine. I didn't know about the elbow thing, but I do indeed have it!

-j

Quote from: Always Amanda on April 16, 2008, 10:06:37 AM

QuoteYes, genetic women's arms angle a certain way to facilitate nursing but I highly doubt anyone genetically male has it.

I've got it So maybe I'm not genetically male? I'd really love that... it would explain a lot... but I highly doubt that.

I can assure you that both Ellie's and my arms are the same way.

Quote from: Fiona on April 29, 2008, 04:59:30 PM
I found this paper on arm carrying angles.

http://medind.nic.in/jal/t04/i1/jalt04i1p14.pdf

I have feminine elbows, if only I had the hips to go with it!

I do have the hips.  And while Ellie's hips aren't as big as mine, they are definitely not male.

One little bit of subterfuge I've picked up is to keep my elbows in, which naturally mimics a more feminine arm angle. I'd love it if my arms fell that way naturally, but they don't. Still, it gets to be second nature after a while. Gorilla arms with the elbows out and knocking over the ming vases just don't get it.

I agree that none of this really matters, but I guess it does feel good to find out that you have a male trait (for FTM's).

But for the record, my index finger is about a centimeter shorter than my ring finger. And when I stand with my palms facing forward, my pinkies are less than an inch away from the top of my thighs.

that's weird.. my ring finger is longer (on that bbc male/female brain test i measured something like .96 ratio) .. and my arms go straight down..

and i have broad shoulders, small hips.. pretty much no hips in the butt area
..almost like i shoulda been a guy...

or maybe i'm just wishfully thinking

so if the TS angle isn't true, how come this boy's index fingers are shorter than his ring fingers, one substantially so? I'm all ears...

Correlation is not causation. And |r|<1.

Quote from: Alyssa M. on December 16, 2008, 12:26:53 PM
Correlation is not causation. And |r|<1.

|r|≤1

Quote from: Lisbeth on December 16, 2008, 01:11:21 PM|r|≤1

Okay, I'll grant r=1 is a measure zero subset.

Quote from: Alyssa M. on December 16, 2008, 02:14:38 PM
Okay, I'll grant r=1 is a measure zero subset.

Klein aber sein. 

Simple just cut the ring finger shoter and carry barbells with your thumbs facing out

Okay, but not for this data set. We're not living in Huxley's Brave New World yet!

I don't know. Sometimes I feel like we're left turning in the wind.

Well, my ring is longer than my index finger and my lower arm angles out so far my hand doesn't come anywhere near close enough to touch my hips without forcing them to do so.  My conclusion?  I don't care.  I know who I am.  It is very interesting though.  I had not previously heard of these studies.