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What am I doing? I really have no idea.

Started by beatrix, May 02, 2006, 12:22:21 AM

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beatrix

I guess this is where it begins.  Whatever "it" is.  We'll flesh that out here in a minute.

It's not something I talk about, which may sound familiar, but I guess here's the place to talk about it.  I've thought a lot about posting here, signed up on a spur-of-the-moment and just lurked. 

A part of me wants to assign labels to myself.  I guess you could call me genderqueer/CD, genetically male, bisexual, polyamorous.  Many of the personality tests classify me as a woman, but just barely.  Right on that middle ground on the curve of gender.

I really didn't even think about this stuff much until recently.  I am mid-late twenties.  Late onset, I guess, though I've CD'd a few times that I remember into adolecence (like maybe four or five times.  Really.  That's all.).  I blame it on my dad's death which interrupted a lot of flow; I had just started asking those questions about myself and had to stop all that and focus on family and then college, a new girlfriend (who is now my wife), then child, then a new job, then child, and hating my job that I got in-between kids.  Fought with depression for the whole time, too.  Still do. 

Right now, as of this moment, I have no desire to transition, so I don't believe I am TS.  If I am just thinking about these now, who knows how that will go.  At this point I'm into gender agnosticism.  "I don't know what gender I am, if any."  I would like to think of gender as a switch.  On occasion, I like who I am, being a boy for the rest of my days isn't 100% bad, but, like I said, it's a switch, and I know that one day it'll be fine and the next day it's not.  I do not know how far this will go, if any further.

I've crossdressed a few times out with my wife on Halloween and special occasions.  Yeah, I think she knows.  Your husband can't dress as a girl regularly for Halloween and have books like "My Husband Betty" and other gender identity books without having some clue.  (Yeah, the "it's for homework" line works only occasionally; I'm a part-time grad student.  Interests in rhetoric, gender studies, feminism, the written word and identity, blogs, and more.)  The shaved legs don't really give much in the way of interpretation, either.  Hell, my myspace profile has a picture of me in a skirt, garters, and a tight sweater.  My wife is on my friends-list, and she even dressed me up that day.

Sometimes we'll be in the makeup aisle and she'll offer to buy me stuff.  I'll read the girl magazines in priority to anything to do with typical guy stuff.  Seems like a slight thing, but it's typical. 

So, I haven't told her the genderqueer/CD part of me yet explicitly.  We're expecting our second child and now just seems like a bad time to lump that on her.  I told her about my bisexuality and my polyamory beliefs (though I made a committment to her) early in our relationship, though we didn't really discuss them a lot.  She makes good-humored gay jokes about me and we laugh. 

The husband/wife part of our life is good.  I'm just here for the people and, when the time comes, some support for telling my wife how I really feel about my genderqueer/CD identity. 

So, it's not a stretch or a matter of predjudice with my wife, it's a matter of how close to home it hits.  Some people have more accepting wives than others, and I am cautiously optimistic.  I just think the new baby needs to be around for a little bit before I give her this hurdle to go over. 

The current child is, in my opinion, too young to need to worry if daddy will be a girl tomorrow and a boy after that again.  The next child may not be able to live without that question.

We go to gay pride parades with friends, write letters to our congresscritters for equal marriage rights and other such issues; I'm just getting involved with the LGBT organization within my company (getting newsletters is really not involved, I know).  Though I hate my job, let's not start on that now, I'm glad that there is a particular group for us in my company.  And at university.  A professor I made a connection with this semester has one of those pink triangles on his office door.  Maybe I'll talk with him, too. 

I'd like to be more involved, but even the presentation to the Diversity Council at work about LGBT I gave was met with a reception that could only be considered "cool".  I kept myself out of it!  All just facts and statistics.  Very impersonal and diplomatic.  Did I mention I live in the middle of the mid-west?  Though the company is international, my location is still a bit on the red-state kind of mentality.  It's hard, I've gotten positive feedback from a right-winger, but at least one person won't talk to me now. 

I don't talk much.  This is probably the longest post I'll make, but what I've read so far has been helpful and good and caring.  Keep it up. 

Thanks for your time.



Beatrix
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Kate Thomas

Hi Beatrix!
Wow such a intro! What are you doing? the same thing so many of us here are, exploring, searching, discovering who we are. So many questions. I am sure Susans can help you answer a few. Check out the top of the page for the purple links to the WIKI and the main page for links.
Sounds like "IT" began sometime ago and this is just one step in your journey.
Welcome

Kate Alice
"But who is that on the other side of you?"
T.S. Eliot
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NightAngel

Hi Beatrix,

Welcome to Susan's.
Your story is so like many here at Susan's. Now you know that you are not alone ,I hope you can use this forum to express your feelings and get some measure of comfort from that as many of us do.

I'm glad to meet you and look forward to reading more from you.

* :icon_hug:*

Michelle
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stephanie_craxford

Hello Beatrix

I would just like to add my welcome to the others.  I think that you will enjoy your stay here and yes you can be sure that we will be here for you when the time comes, and of course right now if there are issues or questions you would like to discuss.  While none here are experts, we are all experts in the life issues we have all faced and had to deal with, and those issues are far reaching.

Have fun exploring the site and don't be afraid to jump in and participate.

Steph
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madison

Hello Beatrix,

I grok your situation. Your self-description...

"A part of me wants to assign labels to myself.  I guess you could call me genderqueer/CD, genetically male, bisexual, polyamorous.  Many of the personality tests classify me as a woman, but just barely.  Right on that middle ground on the curve of gender."

..., while it reads like a recipe list for confusion casserole, easily describes me as well. Even your personal life, excepting the wife, child, and academic activism is also similar.

I have long sought a label. I believed that without a label, whether it was a socially acceptable label or not, I could not find peace or self understanding. With a well crafted and defined label, as one might find coming out of a cunning public relations firm, maybe I could find understanding and societal acceptance. Even with a socially unacceptable label, at least then I could know where I stand, and who I stand with, and perhaps take up the flag of freedom for "my people."

While I find it somewhat ironic, what I have learned both from the community here at Susan's and from discussing these issues as you suggest doing for yourself with a sympathetic professor, is that maybe that need for a label isn't so important after all.

"I am what/that I am," as Popeye and God have been known to say.

Here on the forum, labels only seem to create further division and confusion. When speaking frankly with straight friends, they only refer to the uniqueness of it, and see no need to dole out or ask for a label. And in a recent conversation with a gay friend of mine, he asked point blank if I even really needed to have the label at all, especially if I was unsure at all of the absoluteness of any aspect of self.

Personally I am glad you are here. Your well written introduction gives me hope that I have peers in ambivalence. Like everyone on this forum I hope that I can offer some assistance in your life journey, and that I can find comfort and lessons from you.

I once had a relationship with a girl, who is my best friend to this day, and your situation sounds very similar to ours. At first we didn't speak explicitly about these gender or sexual subjects. But she inherently seemed to know something. In some ways it may have played into what she found attractive in me in the first place. But over time in any open and communicative relationship, these things simply come out or up. Our life was terribly romantic and sensual on one feminine hand, and aggressive and proactive in the masculine. I think she may have carried a similar smaller percentage of masculine attitudes and traits as I did feminine, and thus we found a wonderful balance. As for clothing, she made me several skirts as gifts, and preferred my wearing them if only for the "easy access" they gave when feeling amorous. Our relationship was near perfect, but divergent career paths and long term goals, led to a logical separation for pragmatic reasons. To this day, we have both wondered if perhaps we should still be together as our lives, in the end, did not diverge that much.

At any rate, your situation sounds different in that respect. Your children and the mid-west sound like the only potentially conflicting and confusing elements of your situation. Otherwise you seem happy, healthy, and wise with a reasonable amount of self-questioning. And I applaud your efforts to make sense of what our culture has predetermined, for the time being, to be a cut and dry dichotomy.

In my personal life, while not ready to label myself, I have always tried my best to be true to myself and have fun at the same time. I have always allowed the feminine traits to come through in my personality, behavior, and philosophy. As for appearance and dressing, that has been more compartmentalized, showing itself sporadically in many forms ranging from incorporating gender neutral items in my wardrobe to full on gender bending with skirts mixed with other male attire to full on crossdressing and beyond to Ziggy Stardust style characters used in performance art (as may be seen from time to time in some of the pics I use as my avatar here). But the clothes don't really make the man or the woman I don't think, they are merely a reflection of what makes the person.

And in the time since really confronting these subjects head on, it is becoming more and more apparent that while a label is not necessary, finding friends and understanding is paramount. As such, I think you have come to the right place.

I only hope that you do participate more, if only to selfishly discuss issues that may be more relevant to those of us with more ambiguous outlooks. Thanks for posting.

Merry day,
Madison

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Louise

Welcome to Susan's. Beatrix.  That's an unusual name; you wouldn't happen to have any Belgian ancestry by chance, would you?

In general I favor openness with your wife.  I am a married crossdresser and the great practical advantage in favor of telling your wife is that you are much more free to crossdress at home.  I have been married for almost 38 years and I never regret telling my wife that I am a CD.  My only regret is that I did not tell her sooner than I did.  Since you and your wife apparently have a good relationship and you have been open with her about your sexual orientation, I do not see any problem with telling her about being CD.

Consulting a gay friendly professor for advice will probably not hurt, but not everyone in the gay community is necessarily well-informed regarding TG issues (and not everyone who is part of the TG community is someone whom I might ask for advice on gay issues).  I am a college professor myself; generally I avoid giving personal advice to my students, if any are in need of resolving personal issues I refer them to the university counseling services.  I am not trained as a counselor, so I let those who are professionally trained handle those matters.  A caring professor might be able to refer you to someone who could help.
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HelenW

Please let me add my welcome too, Beatrix!

I think you've come to the right place if you're questioning about gender - we have a great variety of people and lots of info that might ease your confusion.  Many things have been clarified for me by visiting, reading and sometimes contributing here.  I hope the same happens for you too.

again,  WELCOME!
helen
FKA: Emelye

Pronouns: she/her

My rarely updated blog: http://emelyes-kitchen.blogspot.com

Southwestern New York trans support: http://www.southerntiertrans.org/
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beatrix

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Quote from: Louise on May 05, 2006, 04:57:52 PM
Welcome to Susan's. Beatrix.  That's an unusual name; you wouldn't happen to have any Belgian ancestry by chance, would you?

Nope, sorry.  It's just a name I like.  The real name is more bland and very German.

Quote from: Louise on May 05, 2006, 04:57:52 PM
My only regret is that I did not tell her sooner than I did.  Since you and your wife apparently have a good relationship and you have been open with her about your sexual orientation, I do not see any problem with telling her about being CD.

I agree, and for me it's a question of timing.  She's going through some stuff right now being pregnant that I don't really want to place any more burden on her.  It's something I've only recently come to terms with myself.

Quote from: Louise on May 05, 2006, 04:57:52 PM
Consulting a gay friendly professor for advice will probably not hurt, but not everyone in the gay community is necessarily well-informed regarding TG issues (and not everyone who is part of the TG community is someone whom I might ask for advice on gay issues). 

Indeed.  The semester is ending, so the timing of the situation may be undesirable, as well.

These are, for those who don't know, are little inverted pink triangles state that the person displaying the triangle is familiar and trained in dealing with LGBT issues.  Of course, training often differs from practicals . . . we'll let that fall where it may.

I regret that I have not responded to each of you, but I appreciate all of your support. 

Thanks

ps. Madison, I have a large selection of Heinlen books that I was given . . . so 'grok' your 'grok.'  ^-^


I'm in northern Illinois, but nowhere near Chicago.  This is a weird place . . . a lot of suburban people are moving out here to the stix and bringing a lot of different things with them.  Some of that is acceptance, which is good.  But there's always some people . . .

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Chynna

Do we really ever know what we are really doing in live???? ;)

LMAO

Welcome,
Beatrix
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michelle

Beatrix,

My only thoughts are please don't get ahead of yourself.   You are already farther down the road of acceptance with your wife than many others.   Relax and let things happen and unfold.   Make sure that you really know what you need and gradually expand your friendship.   As you grow together you will hopefully become more accepting of each others needs.   A successful marriage lasts the tests of time.   Just some thoughts.
Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

I am a 69-year-old transsexual school teacher grandma & lady.   Ethnically I am half Irish  and half Scandinavian.   I can be a real bitch or quite loving and caring.  I have never taken any hormones or had surgery, I am out 24/7/365.
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beatrix

Well, the second child mentioned above arrived the other day and is a beautiful girl, weighed in at 8 lbs 4 oz . . . awesome!

giddy beatrix
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Jillieann Rose

Congradulations Beatrix :icon_bunch: :icon_dance: :icon_joy:
Sound like a health baby girl.
I'm happy for you. 
Is the baby and the mother home now?
Again Congrad.
:eusa_clap:
Jillieann
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beatrix

Quote from: Jillieann on July 31, 2006, 07:26:32 PM
Congradulations Beatrix :icon_bunch: :icon_dance: :icon_joy:
Sound like a health baby girl.
I'm happy for you. 
Is the baby and the mother home now?
Again Congrad.
:eusa_clap:
Jillieann

Oh, I am so sorry, everyone is home.  Mom is sore (I can't even begin to imagine) and baby is eating and doing all the usual infant things . . . she looks just like my other little girl.

Thank you!  I am very happy, as I worry way too much.

beatrix
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Sophie

Slightly late, but welcome Beatrix!

Congrats on the baby, too.
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Kendall

Congrats to both of you.

This is first time I read your original post here. I feel you did a great job with details. Much better than my first post.

Have fun with the new bundle of joy.



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sheila18

Beatrix:
Welcome Beatrix, am sorry if i missed you introduction post but am glad i caught it because i love your sense of humor.   ie: " At this point I'm into gender agnosticism. "  ;)  like that

  I know how you feel about the " The current child is, in my opinion, too young to need to worry if daddy will be a girl tomorrow and a boy after that again. "  I went throught the same path with a girl and a boy whom i love more than anything on this earth, they come first for me, just for me, I do not imply that anyone else should feel the same.  Every one has a right path in life, you have a right path in your life and that is yours.  I hope that you can make friends here and we can all collaborate in this big project of Life TRANS  whatever the devil it may be.
Looking forward to read your posts
sheila18
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