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Jaded Hearts

Hello everyone!

I'm Kimberly Ann. I'm a young woman. And, unfortunately, I'm terribly confused. I'm afraid that I am not a woman at all. For, when I look upon myself, I see something that I dislike. Mind you, I have done well to hide myself. I have engaged in wearing dresses, taking great care in picking out clothes from the womens section, and even have become a cheerleader with skirt and all. Not quite the proper recipe for an FTM.

Yet, I find myself yearning to explore. I have been only so bold as to do research. Never have I come out to any of my friends. I fear I am far too cowardly for such a great and courageous step. To be honest, I'm not quite sure what I am. I long to don myself in boys clothing and to wear my hair in a befitting men's style. Once or twice I've gone so far as to play with my hair and to dress into my older brother's clothes. Unfortunately, this is all I can do.

I find myself wishing to be a man more than anything else, but I'm so terrified of what others will think of me. How would it look if a cheerleader suddenly approached the school in not a skirt but men's faded jeans? How would my family react to a new hairstyle resembling that of a charming man rather than a young lady? Will my friends still remain loyal to me even when I pull that mask off of my face and reveal what I really am?

I'm so very troubled and confused. I have come to the conclusion many times that I will simply put of coming out until college. I will buy a wig for myself and purchase men's clothing. I'll go to the mall, attend parties, as not Kimberly but a young man. Still, it doesn't seem to be enough. I'm confused on what to do. I'm even confused on what I am exactly. Am I even an FTM at all? If so, how can I juggle two sides of myself? How do I explain what I'm going to to my family?

If someone would like to help me, perhaps give me some one-on-one communication with some of their own life experiences, I'd be so very, very grateful.

Thank you for your time. I hope to speak with you soon.

<3 Kimberly Ann.


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NicholeW.

Welcome to Susan's, Jaded Hearts!

Now just how jaded can you be, my dear?! ;) Hopefully being here will help that!! :laugh: :laugh:

Please take some time to read The Site Rules and on The Main Page you can discover Links, Chat and Wiki for your use as well. You might also want to go to the "Announcements" section and read the two posts "Post Ranks" and "Reputation Rules" to help you with some knowledge about when you can apply your own avatars, PM, and what those lil stars mean beneath all of our names and how to get them for yourself as well!! :)

It's great to have you here! :) Enjoy your stay.

Nichole
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Lachlann

I haven't started a true transition yet, and I still wear dresses to church because its kind of expected and I grew up with these people and it might be a hard thing for them to accept so I'll probably have to move before I can. So I don't think dressing up in girly clothes from time to time is really abnormal, even if you're a cheerleader, though I admit it is rather uncomfortable for me, personally, to wear the girl stuff. My mom got me a kind of male blouse and I feel more comfortable wearing that, even if I have to wear the skirt.

In high school, I had almost no friends at first during my first year due to everyone just changing. Then the next year I made new friends and decided to start fresh and I did find better friends and everything was good for me. I took a risk with one of my new found friends by telling her I was FTM transgendered because I trusted her to be level headed and I guess I was good with my judgement. I, myself, realized I was transgendered the summer prior so none of my previous friends knew and with their reactions to transexuals in general was negative. Anyway, she helped me to tell my other new friends, who happened to be her friends too and they accepted me for who I am and didn't judge. And we kept it to ourselves and didn't tell anyone else in the school, but I had some people to confide in.

I guess the thing that I learnt was, if they're your friends and they really care for your well being and want you to be happy, its easier to tell them. If you're unsure what their stance is on people who are transgendered and whatnot, why not bring the topic up? You don't have to say you think you might just be FTM, but try to find a topic that would bring up the subject. If their reaction is good, then perhaps they will accept you with open arms with who you have come to identify as. If they can't, then perhaps you need to find some friends that will.

As for your parents, I truly don't know what will happen, but I can understand your concern. My parents, for example, are very religious people and I am as well. However, my parents are very understanding and compassionate people and they raised me in a way to show kindness and love toward others. I actually remember coming out to my mom, when I was 15, out in the backyard and we were sitting at the table. A few months ago I finally found out what being transgendered meant and that it was the definition I was looking for, and I was tired of keeping it in... so I told my mother, right to her face my problem and that I was transgendered. And she just sat there and listened to me, and she was very understanding and not as judgemental. It still took them a while to get certain things, and even now they're still learning, but they took it well. I guess where I grew up and how I grew up, I wasn't particularly afraid of coming out or caring what people thought. I did want to keep it a private matter from some kids at school though, but even then, I don't think I would have minded. We had a student who was openly gay and no one cared. However, not everyone is as fortunate as I am in those regards.

Your experiences could very well be different from mine. You really wont know the true outcomes unless it is said. And that decision is up to you when you feel the time is right. Not everyone was as or is 'bold' as I was to say it directly to my parent's face. Some did it through phone calls, notes, letters... some even waited a long time before they went ahead with it all. And theres no shame in any of those either.

Just remember, as far as your personality and interests go, theres no set in stone way of being FTM. Its the same way as any guy liking something that may be considered 'girly' or 'unmanly', we're individuals and our personal interests, personality traits and preferences can be just as unique. You don't have to be a macho man. I don't believe in a 'proper recipe' for someone who is FTM. We are all different, just everyone else. There are common traits and similarities that occur in the FTM community, however its just the same as being a born male or born female. Theres room to be different, no one will think you less if you are.

An example would be that I like a lot of 'manly' things and I like to strut around and all that jazz. However I have some personal interests that might be considered 'feminine' and I worry sometimes if that makes me less of a man, but then I think... No, there are biologically born males who do share the same interests as I do. I'm no different than them.

I hope this helps you at least a little. I don't mind contacting you one on one either.
Don't be scared to fly alone, find a path that is your own
Love will open every door it's in your hands, the world is yours
Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
What are you waiting for, spread your wings and soar
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Jaded Hearts

Thank you, Nichole for the helpful information on getting started on Susan's Place Transgender Forums. It was very courteous of you.

Quote from: Monty on July 05, 2008, 07:41:43 PM
I haven't started a true transition yet, and I still wear dresses to church because its kind of expected and I grew up with these people and it might be a hard thing for them to accept so I'll probably have to move before I can. So I don't think dressing up in girly clothes from time to time is really abnormal, even if you're a cheerleader, though I admit it is rather uncomfortable for me, personally, to wear the girl stuff. My mom got me a kind of male blouse and I feel more comfortable wearing that, even if I have to wear the skirt.

In high school, I had almost no friends at first during my first year due to everyone just changing. Then the next year I made new friends and decided to start fresh and I did find better friends and everything was good for me. I took a risk with one of my new found friends by telling her I was FTM transgendered because I trusted her to be level headed and I guess I was good with my judgement. I, myself, realized I was transgendered the summer prior so none of my previous friends knew and with their reactions to transexuals in general was negative. Anyway, she helped me to tell my other new friends, who happened to be her friends too and they accepted me for who I am and didn't judge. And we kept it to ourselves and didn't tell anyone else in the school, but I had some people to confide in.

I guess the thing that I learnt was, if they're your friends and they really care for your well being and want you to be happy, its easier to tell them. If you're unsure what their stance is on people who are transgendered and whatnot, why not bring the topic up? You don't have to say you think you might just be FTM, but try to find a topic that would bring up the subject. If their reaction is good, then perhaps they will accept you with open arms with who you have come to identify as. If they can't, then perhaps you need to find some friends that will.

As for your parents, I truly don't know what will happen, but I can understand your concern. My parents, for example, are very religious people and I am as well. However, my parents are very understanding and compassionate people and they raised me in a way to show kindness and love toward others. I actually remember coming out to my mom, when I was 15, out in the backyard and we were sitting at the table. A few months ago I finally found out what being transgendered meant and that it was the definition I was looking for, and I was tired of keeping it in... so I told my mother, right to her face my problem and that I was transgendered. And she just sat there and listened to me, and she was very understanding and not as judgemental. It still took them a while to get certain things, and even now they're still learning, but they took it well. I guess where I grew up and how I grew up, I wasn't particularly afraid of coming out or caring what people thought. I did want to keep it a private matter from some kids at school though, but even then, I don't think I would have minded. We had a student who was openly gay and no one cared. However, not everyone is as fortunate as I am in those regards.

Your experiences could very well be different from mine. You really wont know the true outcomes unless it is said. And that decision is up to you when you feel the time is right. Not everyone was as or is 'bold' as I was to say it directly to my parent's face. Some did it through phone calls, notes, letters... some even waited a long time before they went ahead with it all. And theres no shame in any of those either.

Just remember, as far as your personality and interests go, theres no set in stone way of being FTM. Its the same way as any guy liking something that may be considered 'girly' or 'unmanly', we're individuals and our personal interests, personality traits and preferences can be just as unique. You don't have to be a macho man. I don't believe in a 'proper recipe' for someone who is FTM. We are all different, just everyone else. There are common traits and similarities that occur in the FTM community, however its just the same as being a born male or born female. Theres room to be different, no one will think you less if you are.

An example would be that I like a lot of 'manly' things and I like to strut around and all that jazz. However I have some personal interests that might be considered 'feminine' and I worry sometimes if that makes me less of a man, but then I think... No, there are biologically born males who do share the same interests as I do. I'm no different than them.

I hope this helps you at least a little. I don't mind contacting you one on one either.
Monty... I'm absolutely speechless. You've seemed to say all the right things. I must admit that, while I was typing this, I was terribly fearful of the responses I'd get. I was so frightened to receive I reply such as: "If you don't know, why are you even here?" "Wearing a skirt? A cheerleader!? You aren't an FTM at all!!" Or, well, something to that effect.

Your reply, however, has been so very touching and helpful. I'm absolutely in debt to you for your advice. I will certainly try out the trick with my friends, but I am still going to refrain from interaction with my family. So far, they know me only as they're daughter or a sister. When I feel like the time is right, I will certainly try my best to come out to them.

I appreciate your open-mindedness and the experiences you shared with me. If you really don't mind, would you care to contact one another one-on-one. Not that there's anything wrong with forums, but I'd feel more comfortable discussing this matter in some form of privacy.

Thank you ever so much again!!

<3 K.A.
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Janet_Girl

Jaded my dear,

You are in the right place.  We don't judge your journey, we have all had to deal with these and other issues. 

Here you find peace and help and understanding.  We are here to help one another.  Shoulders to cry on, hugs freely given, and above all love.

We are a family here, and we love to have new family members.

Welcome  :D

Love and :icon_hug:
Janet
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Lachlann

Really glad I could help, Jaded. :)

And wise choice in deciding to wait until you are ready and your family is ready to accept this. Its not always easy, but I'm glad you're thinking about the right time. I only hope they are as understanding and as accepting as my parents are when your time does come.

And sure thing! I think we can arrange something. :D
Don't be scared to fly alone, find a path that is your own
Love will open every door it's in your hands, the world is yours
Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
What are you waiting for, spread your wings and soar
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Jaded Hearts

Quote from: Janet Lynn on July 05, 2008, 08:03:48 PM
Jaded my dear,

You are in the right place.  We don't judge your journey, we have all had to deal with these and other issues. 

Here you find peace and help and understanding.  We are here to help one another.  Shoulders to cry on, hugs freely given, and above all love.

We are a family here, and we love to have new family members.

Welcome  :D

Love and :icon_hug:
Janet

Thank you ever so much, Janet! I'm so grateful to have found such a wonderful and accepting place. It's certainly putting my mind at ease, I can tell you that. So far I'm enjoying myself very much and I look forward to getting to know each and every one of the extraordinary people that make up this community.

Thank you for the welcome, and thank you for your kindness!

<3 K.A.

Posted on: July 05, 2008, 08:06:56 PM
Quote from: Monty on July 05, 2008, 08:05:54 PM
Really glad I could help, Jaded. :)

And wise choice in deciding to wait until you are ready and your family is ready to accept this. Its not always easy, but I'm glad you're thinking about the right time. I only hope they are as understanding and as accepting as my parents are when your time does come.

And sure thing! I think we can arrange something. :D

Well, if you'd like to, feel free to PM me! I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but I'm unable to send a personal message to you.  :-\ Then again, my intelligence technology-wise is about that of a gnat's so... x3

<3 K.A.
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Lachlann

You can't send a PM out until 15 posts or so, but I think you can read mine.

I've sent you a PM.
Don't be scared to fly alone, find a path that is your own
Love will open every door it's in your hands, the world is yours
Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
What are you waiting for, spread your wings and soar
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trapthavok

Hey Kim, welcome to the group. I'm new here myself so I know how you're feeling.

Everyone takes a different path. I like what Monty said, and in his response he said it was different for everybody. I myself am still having a rough journey trying to figure out and accept who I am.

I started almost a year and a half ago on my journey...At first I thought I was just bisexual because I couldn't accept just liking girls, mostly because I got made fun of in high school. I never bothered anyone, always kept to myself and somehow me staring off into space equated me being a lesbian and one day I found my name and "is a lesbian" graffiti'd in one of the textbooks. It hurt because I didn't bother anyone, I just wanted to be left alone...and I had low self esteem. So being bisexual was my way of coping with proving them wrong. I liked girls and guys.

But then I couldn't get over the fact that guys leering at me and checking me out really grossed me out, and I wanted to be one of the guys not be with one of the guys. So I like girls more. I could come to terms with that but then I kept feeling like some part of me was missing... There's a lot psychologically that I never understood til I came here. I was always afraid of talking to guys so I never really thought that I might want to be one, even though I always wanted to be friends with guys. Then there was the fact that I always wrote stories about guys, always pretended to be a guy (Robin from Batman and Robin, among others) when I used to play games as a kid with my cousins. ALways played with action figures, always liked guys clothes better but let my family peer pressure me into women's clothing. I could go on and on.

Everyone's journey is different like Monty said. So you like wearing guys clothing. You'll find that you're not the only one who's like that here. Maybe you'll find out more about yourself during your time here too.

I hope we help you out along your journey :)
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Jaded Hearts

Quote from: trapthavok on July 05, 2008, 11:02:57 PM
Hey Kim, welcome to the group. I'm new here myself so I know how you're feeling.

Everyone takes a different path. I like what Monty said, and in his response he said it was different for everybody. I myself am still having a rough journey trying to figure out and accept who I am.

I started almost a year and a half ago on my journey...At first I thought I was just bisexual because I couldn't accept just liking girls, mostly because I got made fun of in high school. I never bothered anyone, always kept to myself and somehow me staring off into space equated me being a lesbian and one day I found my name and "is a lesbian" graffiti'd in one of the textbooks. It hurt because I didn't bother anyone, I just wanted to be left alone...and I had low self esteem. So being bisexual was my way of coping with proving them wrong. I liked girls and guys.

But then I couldn't get over the fact that guys leering at me and checking me out really grossed me out, and I wanted to be one of the guys not be with one of the guys. So I like girls more. I could come to terms with that but then I kept feeling like some part of me was missing... There's a lot psychologically that I never understood til I came here. I was always afraid of talking to guys so I never really thought that I might want to be one, even though I always wanted to be friends with guys. Then there was the fact that I always wrote stories about guys, always pretended to be a guy (Robin from Batman and Robin, among others) when I used to play games as a kid with my cousins. ALways played with action figures, always liked guys clothes better but let my family peer pressure me into women's clothing. I could go on and on.

Everyone's journey is different like Monty said. So you like wearing guys clothing. You'll find that you're not the only one who's like that here. Maybe you'll find out more about yourself during your time here too.

I hope we help you out along your journey :)
Thank you for your kind words and your helpful advice! It was deeply appreciated!

I'm so grateful to have found this place. You have no idea what a haven this has been to me. Thank you all so much for your welcome and for your support.

<33 K.A.
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sneakersjay

Jaded, you're so not alone.

I spent the better part of my 47 years trying very hard to fit into the female mold, poring over women's mags, beauty stuff etc, all the while just not getting it and not really knowing why I just wasn't plain interested.  I had stuffed my maleness down so far I couldn't even see it, though if you look at my childhood (pre-puberty) it was glaringly obvious.

It wasn't until I made the discovery that yes, I'm truly ftm, and began transition did I finally start to relax and feel comfortable in my own skin, and my confidence level has soared.  I don't pass yet and I'm not yet on T, but just to be comfortable in my clothes is a huge thing.

We're here for you.  I wish I had the internet when I was your age.  Might have saved me years of anguish!

Jay


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Jaded Hearts

Quote from: sneakersjay on July 07, 2008, 12:56:53 AM
Jaded, you're so not alone.

I spent the better part of my 47 years trying very hard to fit into the female mold, poring over women's mags, beauty stuff etc, all the while just not getting it and not really knowing why I just wasn't plain interested.  I had stuffed my maleness down so far I couldn't even see it, though if you look at my childhood (pre-puberty) it was glaringly obvious.

It wasn't until I made the discovery that yes, I'm truly ftm, and began transition did I finally start to relax and feel comfortable in my own skin, and my confidence level has soared.  I don't pass yet and I'm not yet on T, but just to be comfortable in my clothes is a huge thing.

We're here for you.  I wish I had the internet when I was your age.  Might have saved me years of anguish!

Jay
Really? If you don't mind me asking, when was it that you finally found yourself identifying as an FTM? Did it just click one day or did you see it and kind of think it over over a course of time?

<33 K.A.
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sneakersjay

After my divorce I started looking at myself a lot more critically and one thing was always my sex drive, and the other was the fantasies I had when alone.  Things clicked around that, and I did some research, but was still in denial that I was ftm.  I didn't really associate my inner male brain and male self with being trans; transgender issues was not on my radar at all.  I just thought I had weird fantasies, and heck, didn't everybody?

It finally clicked when I started asking more critical questions and finally ended up on sites like this with real people with the same issues to realize that hey, their story is almost exactly like mine!

Jay


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Jaded Hearts

Quote from: sneakersjay on July 07, 2008, 05:34:45 PM
It finally clicked when I started asking more critical questions and finally ended up on sites like this with real people with the same issues to realize that hey, their story is almost exactly like mine!

Jay
Exactly how I feel! I must admit that I'm sharing your feelings of denial, as well. However, yesterday I had the great pleasure to hear an opinion that I did appear to be an FTM. It was the greatest relief in the world. Yet, I still feel as if I'm standing at a crossroads. Some days I shrug off the matter entirely and think, "I'm a woman." Then again, other days I stop and I wonder, "What if...?" To be commented that I identified as an FTM was like someone taking a thousand pounds off of my shoulders. I think it's my first step to pushing past my denial.

How you felt is just like how I feel now. I go into the shower and look down at myself and sigh. I have the body a woman would be proud of. I'm very slim, but yet hold an hour-glass shape. Granted, there's some extra jello in my cup that I'd like to lose, but all-in-all I have a figure I ought to feel proud of. But I don't. I look into the mirror and fantasize having no breasts at all, and I've even gone so far as to envision having an extra little something below my waist. To each of these I cast into the back of my mind and hid away like skeletons in a closet. This is the first time I'm actually revealing them. And, to be quite honest, it's a terrifying relief.

It's very nice to know that I'm not alone here. Thank you, Jay. Your experience has related to me the most, and I'm so very grateful I don't have to hide anymore.

<33 K.A.
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sneakersjay

One of my biggest issues for as long as I can remember (first at age 4) has been lack of male anatomy.  This has persisted throughout my entire life.  As an adult and trying to live as a woman, trying hard to be a good woman, and failing at it, even then I missed my missing anatomy.  The whole time I was playing straight woman, I was obsessed with having a penis.  I figured I was weird.

Then there were the videos online of guys and their T penises.  And I'd think, gee if that's all I'm gonna get, then why bother?  And that was a few years ago, even before I had a trans lablel to my issues.  Finally it hit me that it's NOT about the anatomy at all, though yes it still bothers me greatly.  See my related thread.  I need to have something down there always.

I love my little packy but it's not stp.  I have a mango stp but get frustrated by the flimsy balls and having it flip sideways in my shorts.  I'm pissed my expensive prosthetic is in the hands of incompetent bozos.  If I weren't saving for top surgery I'd just order the wicked expensive prosthetic from australia.

Jay



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Jaded Hearts

If you don't mind answering another one of my many questions... What's the difference between all the packing? I've noticed some things that you can buy but I haven't really paid it as much mind as I would have liked to. ( Mostly because I was new to the idea of buying a fake penis and felt embarrassed by it. ) What's (an) STP? What's so great about having one of the expensive prosthetics? What makes them so ideal?

Oh and, by all means, if you get tired of answering my questions feel free to say so. I'm sure I'm getting to be quite the nuisance, though I do appreciate all the answers I've received so far. =D

<33 K.A.
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sneakersjay

These are soft and feel exactly like a flaccid penis.  My fave is the 3.5" one.  The larger ones have really flat balls.  http://www.early2bed.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PACKY&Category_Code=pD

This is an stp:http://www.mangoproducts.net/PackAndPee.htm#mango  Mind you it's the same packer as the above, only modified with a urinary tube.

These are realistic prosthetics:

http://www.lolajake.com/videos.htm
http://www.ftmprosthetics.com/about.htm
http://www.tyron2.net/2.html


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Jaded Hearts

The packies look so real! And they appear to be very comfortable. The STP, however, somewhat scares me. Do you actually stick that tube up inside of you? Or does it hang outside and catch it as you go?

The Tyron appealed to me the most. I'm just a bit confused on how it works. I understand most of it, but how do you manage to get it to fill with air and create an erection. I've looked throughout the site yet I don't seem to be finding anything that explains it. And the FTM Prosthetics site with the category "HAIRFX SKIN SHADES", the first picture astonished me. How did they manage to get it to stay without a harness? Does it stick onto you with a form of glue or an adhesive?

<33
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sneakersjay

Yeah, they apply with a medical prosthetic adhesive, which is what I want.  Harnesses bug me.

There's a valve on the Tyron and you squeeze the balls to pump it up


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