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Started by Shana A, June 02, 2008, 08:59:39 AM

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Eva Marie

Well, as a relative newcomer here one of the things that really attracted me to the androgyne forum (besides figuring out that I am one) is the witty/funny replies that make me laugh, and the acceptance I've felt here. I dunno, maybe I'm just not seeing it (or I'm dense  :laugh:) but I haven't seen much to indicate to me that there is some kind of "exclusionary" process going on here and I would be sad if that were to happen.

I do understand that there are times when seriousness is certainly called for, but i'd also submit that there are times that we can be funny too. And I can see how applying humor in a newb's thread might be taken the wrong way, especially if the person is expressing a lot of pain/depression, etc. It would simply be inappropriate in that case.

We all have to use our own individual judgment in these cases.

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Seshatneferw

I'm tempted to agree. On the other hand, lately it's been mostly various intergendered types here -- the bigendered and neutrois, for instance, have been even more scarce (or quiet) than they used to be. I just hope Nero's forest hasn't started to lose its biodiversity.

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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Caroline

Quote from: Seshatneferw on June 04, 2008, 02:34:30 PM
I'm tempted to agree. On the other hand, lately it's been mostly various intergendered types here -- the bigendered and neutrois, for instance, have been even more scarce (or quiet) than they used to be. I just hope Nero's forest hasn't started to lose its biodiversity.

  Nfr


Indeed, the irony of the one remaining null-gendered person (as far as I know) trying to explain bigender to people wasn't lost on me  :P
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Jaimey

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Quote from: Zythyra on June 03, 2008, 10:30:44 PM
Quote from: Jaimey on June 03, 2008, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: Zythyra on June 02, 2008, 08:00:10 PM
Now you're gonna have all of us each wondering if it's ourselves...  :icon_suspicious:
I'll never tell...
Oh dear, it must be me...  :(

Zythyra

>:D You know it!  Not.  :P  Seriously, it's not you.  :laugh:  hehe.  I almost decided to go with it and tease you a little while, but then I thought I should be nice.  :angel:


QuoteI think this could quite possibly be the worst thread that has ever graced the androgyne forum.

If anything were to make me consider leaving here or stop me as a new member from signing up, this thread would rank near the top. Please, everyone just take a step back and look around, all of this finger pointing and complaining is not doing any good.

I think all sd is saying here is that a mountain's being made of a mole hill (forgive the silly country saying...) and we aren't being very constructive in our discussion. 

edit: It's the attitude of the thread that is a turn off.  Not the issue at hand.  That's what I think sd was saying and I feel the same way.

Thankfully, the thread has lightened up considerably today.  So now hopefully everyone is feeling better we can get to the bottom of any specific troubles members are having with the forum. 

:icon_wave-nerd:

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I'm tapping out of this thread.  You can't have a discussion if all the parties aren't listening.
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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RebeccaFog

I hope that everyone knows that if they feel a thread is being threadjacked or that the humor is inappropriate, it is entirely acceptable for them to speak up.

I'm sure we all agree we have no intention or desire to disrespect anyone's feelings or concerns.

Nice.  I split for a while and everyone gets all serious.  Though I like to see people soul searching. Soul searching is good.
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Seshatneferw

Quote from: Rebis on June 13, 2008, 10:18:23 PM
I hope that everyone knows that if they feel a thread is being threadjacked or that the humor is inappropriate, it is entirely acceptable for them to speak up.

True. Humour is fun (quite literally :)), but disrupting a conversation is so far from fun that humour isn't excuse enough to do it.

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Soul searching is good.

The lost souls sure appreciate the effort.

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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Shana A

Quote from: Rebis on June 13, 2008, 10:18:23 PM
I'm sure we all agree we have no intention or desire to disrespect anyone's feelings or concerns.

Absolutely! This forum should be an oasis from the daily struggles of living as who we are in the world.

QuoteNice.  I split for a while and everyone gets all serious.

That'll teach you to disappear!  ;) :laugh:

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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tekla

IRL, real conversations go hither, dither and yon.  If the subject at some point was important, it comes back again.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Pica Pica

I may have missed this one, but I have found it very interesting to read...
...This is because I am always trying to find the commonalities amongst androgynes. I want to read through the forums and feel we are a type of person. I want to feel that we are a family with a common identity. And like a family we are not all the same, but we do share. We may not all adopt the androgyne label such as how an extended family do not all have the same surnames.
I don't think there is a true androgyne but we have to at least see shadows of ourselves in other people or we are not a family at all.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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BlackRabbit

I can never sound that cool, but you're right, having a safe haven feels nice, I can really understand the people here. <3's to you all.  ;D :icon_woowoo:  :icon_love:
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RebeccaFog

this is the first place where I have understood a group of people.
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Aiden

Is there a difference between Andorgynes and Transsexualls?  Because way things sound, Transsexuals could be considered another from of Androgyne...
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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Pica Pica

i'd say they are extremely different.
If you imagined that there was a river...on one bank are males and the other are females. The transsexuals are on one bank longing to be on the other, whilst the androgynes are paddling canoes down the river, striding the river like a collossus or saying the river was never there in the first place.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Seshatneferw

I knew that navy uniform would come in handy. ;)

But there are still some common themes. Most notably, androgynes don't want to stay on the shore they were assigned to either.

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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Pica Pica

y'see, i believe the androgyne was born at sea, without realising that is what it was.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Jaimey

Quote from: Pica Pica on August 06, 2008, 03:32:52 PM
the androgynes are paddling canoes down the river

Somehow I think this group would be floating on inner tubes with beer coolers... :P

...nice analogy, by the way.
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Eva Marie

Quote from: Jaimey on August 06, 2008, 06:13:52 PM
Quote from: Pica Pica on August 06, 2008, 03:32:52 PM
the androgynes are paddling canoes down the river

Somehow I think this group would be floating on inner tubes with beer coolers... :P

...nice analogy, by the way.

LOL.... nice  :laugh:
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Arch

There should be something like an FTA or an andy ->-bleeped-<-...or somethin'. 'Cause I don't want any bottom work done at all--nothing added, nothing tampered with, nothing removed--and I do want a deeper voice and a flat chest--but I'm not positive that I want to be legally male, either. I'm more interested in what I am to myself, if that makes any sense.

I don't think of myself as an androgyne, either, except in the sense that I was brought up female and have a mixture of stereotypically gendered characteristics.

The kicker? I DEFINITELY don't want to be legally female.

I wish legal documents and IDs didn't have any gender boxes at all. Or at least they could give you three choices: Male, Female, and Other or Neither or Decline to State.

Sigh.

"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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RebeccaFog

Once we're more acknowledged by the cruel cruel world and more parents accept that it's okay, then maybe we can add gender education to school or church curriculums.  Then the young ones won't have to search and struggle so much.

(some churches are very accepting)

The gender identification issue is a struggle that's going on right now. but will take time.
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Constance

I'm of two minds with terms like "non binary gender variant" and "queer."

The main character of the book "Far From Xanadu" by Julie Anne Peters is lesbian, but dislikes the term queer. She felt, as do I, that the term implied something strange about a person. I agree with this, but I also understand how the word is used by BGLTQI folks these days.

The phrase "non binary gender variant" is effective to an extent, but at the same time it seems to validate the concept of binary gender even while trying to point out that gender is non-binary. I use the term "androgyne" because of the two parts of the word ("andro" refering to male and "gyne" refering to female). I even like the order of the two parts as I am a bio-male. So to me, putting the male part as a prefix makes perfect sense. Obviously, others don't feel the same way as I do.

I've heard a lot of talk about how labels should be avoided. This is actually a great idea, but I still need language to describe, at least to myself, who and what I am. So, I use labels. I describe myself as a bio-male due to my anatomy. I claim to have female aspects to my psyche due to the language I use to describe myself.

That said, I don't like feminine pronouns used to describe me unless I'm in drag. As I usually present as male, I prefer male pronouns. I'm not really sure why, as I self-describe as an androgyne. But, I don't like gender-neutral pronounds. They seem impersonal to me, in a way. But, again, that seems to go again the whole androgyne thing. There are times when I feel like trying to describe who and what I am paints a picture of an ourobouros.

To Casey's comments, I'm not so sure I support all viewpoints. I support people's right to have and express their points of view. But, I can't support the point of view if it seems to be unhealthy towards me. Case in point, I've been told by persons on this forum that I can't possibly be what I describe myself to be. I support their rights to post these things, but I do not support their actual points. I reject the idea that people who have only "met" me online could have some better understanding of myself than I.

True androgyne? What is a true male? Or female? Is it just physiology? Or, is it deeper than that? Sometimes, cultural concepts define what is male or female.

To Nero's comments about a place being unsafe because of jokes, I'd say there is a certain amount of truth in that. I can't and won't speak for others. But for my part, I do tire of being the butt of jokes. Has that happened to me here. No, not yet. Have I felt condescended to by others here? Yes. But again, it could be that I'm mis-reading their comments.

But Nero's most confusing comment was the "YMMV" thing. Forgive this aging 'net user, but WTF does YMMV mean?