TX: gay bar owner bans trans customers on Tuesdays

Pam's Houseblend
Pam Spaulding
7/21/2008

"Drag queens act like they are divas and think they can't do no wrong," Moore said. "They have stolen money straight off the bar, hassled costumers for drinks and locked themselves in the bathroom with a bunch of guys. And with Tuesday being our busiest night, there is just no way for me to keep the draq queens under control then. I don't want draq queens in here that are going to misbehave."

i wish they would quit comparing/calling transwomen and drag queens the same thing... it really ticks me off. transwomen are women period. this is just another reason why people think we're perverts or "human monsters" as posted in another thread.....grrrrrr!!!!!




Warrior Princess Mickie

But, as I get most of the people on here, they would rather have their fingernail taken off them with a pair of pliers than ever go to a 'trans' night at a 'gay' bar.  So, what it matter?

Plus, wasn't there another discussion recently about the legitimacy of having TS support groups and websites that are not open to the cisgendered or CDs?  If that is legitimate, why can't this bar exclude the transgendered?

<Glinda suppresses urge to go burn down bar.>

They should ban individuals, not a whole group of people.

By your own addmission you do not drink.  Nor are you 21.  And none of us are even close to there.  So, what's it to you?  Nothing less that it is to me.  And I don't care.  So, why should you?

Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2008, 10:13:37 PMBy your own addmission you do not drink.  Nor are you 21.  And none of us are even close to there.  So, what's it to you?  Nothing less that it is to me.  And I don't care.  So, why should you?

Um, what?

I was just speaking in general terms. I don't mean just bars, but anywhere. Individuals should be blacklisted, not "particular groups," be it gender, race, sexual orientation, religion, whatever. The only "group" I'm okay with "blacklisting" is someone who is underage for the specifications of your establishment.

It matters because if it can happen in Texas it can happen anywhere and if it can happen to drag queens it can happen to anybody. Condoning this is condoning irresponsible and unjust behavior. It's negative action caused by inaction.

oh hell, you don't have to go to Texass.  All you have to do is go out the same street you're JC is on.  Find a place called the Wagon Wheel.  It's just past the County Lockup.  I go in there all the time after gigs in my union coat/roadie get up, and I'm fine.  In a skirt, I doubt if I'd walk out.  And I know how to defend myself, but one on twenty-two is never good odds.  Alll places have the right to define who they want, and who they don't want as customers.  They live or die by that decision.  It's up to them to make.

What?! You live in my area?

In any case, I wasn't talking about bars or Texas. You didn't really get my point...

I don't think I'll ever be a bar person... unless I'm playing music there.

Actually I am in Dallas.  Should I pop in tomorrow night?  I doubt I'd have a problem since my ID matches me.  Should I take a picket and a megaphone?  Maybe a bic lighter, a can or hairspray, a super soaker, and a five gallon can of gasoline?

<Glinda once more suppresses urge to burn down bar.>

Yeah I live no less than walking distance from you I'm sure.  I did my first real tech theater class at SRJC, and did a few shows there in high school before going to my collage.  Matter of fact I was asked to teach tech theatre tech there a few years ago but I would make much less than I did doing real theatre.  So I said no.  But I think the guy I recomended still teaches lighting design at SRJC.  But when I'm not working I live in Santa Rosa, when I work, I live in SF.

Quote from: glendagladwitch on July 21, 2008, 10:53:31 PM<Glinda once more suppresses urge to burn down bar.>

I'm on't, Miss!



(That's the first time I've insisted posting Blues Brothers ->-bleeped-<- on here.)

The difference between a movie and real life is that in a movie its funny, and in real life its a felony.

Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2008, 10:54:45 PMYeah I live no less than walking distance from you I'm sure.  I did my first real tech theater class at SRJC, and did a few shows there in high school before going to my collage.  Matter of fact I was asked to teach tech theatre tech there a few years ago but I would make much less than I did doing real theatre.  So I said no.  But I think the guy I recomended still teaches lighting design at SRJC.  But when I'm not working I live in Santa Rosa, when I work, I live in SF.

That's pretty rad. Except I'm in Cotati. I have to drive about a half an hour each morning to get to school.

You aware of Positive Images? Mayhaps you're a member or have been there?

Posted on: July 21, 2008, 08:57:48 PM

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Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2008, 10:57:38 PMThe difference between a movie and real life is that in a movie its funny, and in real life its a felony.

Elwood was in jail for 18 years. I'd say his sentence was pretty light.

Elwood was never in jail.  It was a movie.  Dan A was not in jail, but it may well have save John B don't 'cha think?  But then again I could not rent the room he died in when I go to LA.  (Bungalow #3 / Chateau Marmont).  You have to book the room for months in advance its such a party fav.

And I don't do social network sites.  Mostly I do RSS feeds, and this site.

If you're going to discredit the plot, you have to accept the plot as a whole. You can't say the plot has holes when you cut the holes yourself. It was a felony in the plot of the film, which was my point.

Dan wasn't in jail, but ->-bleeped-<-, was he close so many times. And should have been. But see, actors do, have, and always will get special treatment.

As for Positive Images, it isn't really a social network site. It's an actual um, not really a "club" but it's a place where we physically meet.

Actors, and rock stars, might have once got special treatment, but outside of LA, it ain't happening anymore.  Ask the lead guitar player for Phish who has been under house arrest for the last two years for some pills in New York. 

And I agree with that.  No special treatment.  Just because you can pose on screen or can play a lick or two is no reason that the law that puts a guy with a wife and kids in jail for the same deal should not apply.  (offer not good in LA, but they could not convict OJ either).

Way back, once upon a dream as it were, I was working a NYE show with the Dead at Winterland when they had the Blues Brothers open the show.  A whole lot of us skipped out on the set to have a party, thinking, and I'm not all that sure I'm wrong about it either, thinking that what they did was a poor rip off of the real blues guys we all loved - if not worshiped - for the sake of some show biz gig on TV.  Now, I kinda wish I had bothered to watch them, but I'm also happy that I saw the real deal, John Lee Hooker, Albert Collins, Albert King, B.B. King and the rest when they still were young and could play, and most of all I'm happy that one night Robert Lockwood Jr. sat in and jammed with us.  A direct link to Robert Johnson is pretty cool.  Some white boys faking doing blues, less so.

A plot, is just a bunch of paper that you shoot a movie from.  Its not real.  Though shooting the film often is.  A felony on film is not a real felony.  What John did, the Coke and the Heroin was.  Too bad the law could not save him from himself. 

And its not like I don't like them.  Together they were about as good as any duo short of Allen and Burns.  Alone, DA was weak, but JB, well, Animal House is a classic for good reason, though anyone who went to private collage in the 70s does not see it as a comedy as much as a documentry. 

But deserving of some sort of special treatment vs. people who work for a living.  I'm not buying that junk.  Nor do most Americans I don't think.  So if you are an actor - and a famous one at that - get busted in LA, but not Des Moines.  It will make a difference.

Well, I can understand the bar ownerts point of view... I dislike most of the DQs Ive come in contact with here... and here is about the same as there... *shrugs*

But Dallas is like El Paso, and if all the trans people and DQ's deside to, they could class action suit them and win... Dallas has TS protection laws just like El Paso and Austin....

I dont know forsure though if the TS laws cover DQ's but if any ACTUAL TS's try to get in and are bared,  theres room for leagle recource....

Odd, how there was just this big debate about excluding CD from TS meetings that now everyone has thier panties in a knot about this. 

Odd I mentioned that exactly in the fourth post in this topic. lol

Meanwhile, I found the original article at the Dallas Voice.

http://www.dallasvoice.com/artman/publish/article_9396.php

Looks like they are banning females too.  At least, that seems to be what the employee told Tramp when he ejected her.  And I quote:

"I was like, 'What do you mean? What are you saying?'" Tramp said. "And he goes, 'David says he doesn't want this' — making a hand gesture at us — 'in this bar, ->-bleeped-<-s, drag queens or girls."

The article mentions gender discrimination too.  There is reportedly going to be a protest tonight.  Maybe I'll go.


Posted on: July 22, 2008, 05:14:45 AM

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The Dallas Voice has a poll in which about 40% of the gay community aparently thinks it is OK to bar the transgendered.  Here is my comment posted there:

QuoteIn fact, Dallas has an ordinance prohibiting discrimination against the transgendered in public accomodations. Plus, the article makes it clear that all women are allegedly being barred, which is impermissible gender discrimination. This would be a no brainer is he were barring all blacks because a few blacks were acting up. The prejudice against the transgendered in the gay community is appalling. I am embarrassed for you, that so many think it is OK to bar the transgendered. And the pretense of keeping transgendedred out on the basis the appearance does not match the photo ID will not work. Some DQs will go in in male mode, change in the bathroom, get thrown out, sue, and win. You go girls!