Yeah I could understand. Its the least you can do, right?

Genetics seem to be on my side. So I'll probably be able to grow something at least.

-sigh- My genetics are horrid. They made a lot of the men in my family petite. My dad's 5'11", though.

Oh geez, genetics,  I hope I do not get the neck hair that my dad has, the kind that looks like the back of the neck of a wolf and trails down the spine like some sort of scruff.  Eww. 

Quote from: noxdraconis on July 25, 2008, 09:56:14 PM
Oh geez, genetics,  I hope I do not get the neck hair that my dad has, the kind that looks like the back of the neck of a wolf and trails down the spine like some sort of scruff.  Eww. 

Hahaha! Nice!

Quote from: Elwood on July 25, 2008, 05:24:55 PM
-sigh- My genetics are horrid. They made a lot of the men in my family petite. My dad's 5'11", though.

Genetics weren't on my side either, if it makes you feel better. Most of the males and females on my dad's side are really tall (my dad is six foot even) and I leveled out at 5'6 even though I've always wanted to be taller. It was disappointing, but I've mostly gotten over it. Mostly.

Quote from: trapthavok on July 25, 2008, 10:07:29 PM

Quote from: noxdraconis on July 25, 2008, 09:56:14 PM
Oh geez, genetics,  I hope I do not get the neck hair that my dad has, the kind that looks like the back of the neck of a wolf and trails down the spine like some sort of scruff.  Eww. 

Hahaha! Nice!

Not really.  I already have enough that I have had to become very adept at the art of neck line shaving.  The only satisfactory result of an increase of hair there would be that I would be able to gel it up and continue my faux hawk all the way down to my shirt collar.

If I was at least 5'5" I'd be happy, because well... that's the "middle range" for females, and at least I wouldn't be shorter than most girls.

Ideally I'd like to be 5'8" or taller. 5'8" is like the shortest I ever see male actors... (Matthew Broderick, John Belushi)

Danny DeVito (who is 5'0" tall) is really short, but he's KNOWN For being short, and I don't want short to be my trademark.

Haha, an extended faux hawk might actually look pretty cool... but it'd most likely weird out everyone else.

I'm 5'7", and 'normally' thats a little bit tall for a girl, but where I am, the girls are giants. I've seen a lot of girl's around 5'8"-5'11" and the majority of men are already 6'.

I probably wouldn't have any complaints if I was 5'7". Try being 5'3" or 4'11". I know of a transman who is 4'11" and he's not going to get any taller.

I think you're oversizing the male population. In my art class of about 30 students, most of the guys were between 5'7" and 6". One guy was about 6'4", and that was unusual.

Average height for white Americans between 20-39 years old is...

Male, Five feet, ten.two inches
Female, Five feet, four.six inches.

Quote from: Elwood on July 26, 2008, 01:12:32 PM
I probably wouldn't have any complaints if I was 5'7". Try being 5'3" or 4'11". I know of a transman who is 4'11" and he's not going to get any taller.

I think you're oversizing the male population. In my art class of about 30 students, most of the guys were between 5'7" and 6". One guy was about 6'4", and that was unusual.

I'm in a different country and area though. I rarely run into males who are my height unfortunately.

You've made the gap of 19 years in your statistic. People I've been exposed to are generally in my age group. People don't stop growing until their mid twenties (yes, despite what a lot of medical books say). So people from the 20 age group vs. the 39 age group are going to be very different. Since I am 18, what is happening to a 39 year old doesn't apply to me. To want to be as tall as a 39 year old is an unreasonable expectation, and we are not to set unreasonable expectations for ourselves.

Also, the "average" is not what's acceptable. It's the average. 5'8" is a perfectly acceptable height for a man.

Robert Wadlow, 8'11" tall was not more of a man for being taller than any man in history. In fact, he was just a boy when he died.



Then there's Matthew Broderick (5'8"), Will Ferrell (6' 3½"), and Nathan Lane (5'5")...



As you can see, there is variance amongst this "average." The average is the product of everyone's heights added together, then divided by the number of people. This mathematical average is not the same thing as "the majority of men/women are this height."

Those stats come from the National Institute of Health, i.e. the Federal Government.  I'm sure they reason they picked those ages is that people are growing up to 20, and after 40, women in particular tend to shrink a bit due to something in the ostroprosis cycle I would guess.  So 20-40 is a normal adult range. 

I know I'm within a .1 or so of what I was at 20.  So at 19 you might grow more, T might help, I don't know, there seems to be no stats on average   

And its a mean/median average, which means that exactly one half of all males in the group are taller, one have exactly are shorter than the given number.  Why stats is not a mandated course in High School amazes me.  So sure, some male are taller, some are shorter.  Hell,

* Tom Cruise
      (5' 7" / 1.702 m)
* Dustin Hoffman
      (5' 6" / 1.676 m)
* Dudley Moore
      (5' 2 1/2"/ 1.588 m)
* Al Pacino
      (5' 5 1/2"/ 1.664 m)

And if you can act half as well as Dustin or Al, well you will make it.

What I meant to say is the area where I live, most girls are 5'8"-5'11". Most men here are close to 5'10"-6'4".... I had a kid in a grade behind me who was 7' and that was considered unusual but 6'4" wasn't all that much abnormal. The other day I was at the theatre and I saw girls who had to be in the 8th or 7th grade who were 5'6". The fact of the matter is, where I live specifically, the women are taller than me. There are various other countries and towns/cities/villages where the population is either considered taller or shorter when compared to others.

These things can also vary state to state, province to province, city to city, country to country and so on.

I'm not talking in averages like the mathematical sense that requires a census and divide, because I honestly do not have enough direct information on my province let alone my own city. What I am talking about, though, is the height gap I've observed out in public. Other than being statistically correct with that information, it doesn't quite help me when I actually do encounter a majority of women who are taller than me and men who are significantly taller.

"Most" men and "most" women are just the people you see. I hate to say it, but you are not a reliable source. No individual person is.

I was not meaning to be a 'reliable' source, I'm talking about where I am and my own experience. I'm speaking strictly from my own experiences and I would not use them to dictate what other people's experiences would be because that would be silly. If I came off like I was trying to say it was absolute fact for everyone, then I'm sorry it was interpreted that way because its truly not my intention. I think I've tried to state several times that it was from my own experiences and I did not mean to apply it to anyone else. If my wording made you feel like I was trying to, then I don't know what to say other than I try to explain myself as best as I can.

I'm not going to rely solely on statistics because they are only that. What I see and what I experience don't always follow the statistics and rarely do... the world would have to be incredibly organized and almost computerized for such a thing to work like that. So I don't try to bother focusing on something like that because obviously where I live, the women are that tall and so are the men. I know several people from my city and province who could back me up on this... however when it comes to the actual mathematical average of everything, it could very well be different and I absolutely realize that. However, what I see and experience on a day to day basis is different and if the statistics say otherwise, then perhaps I just see one part of the statistic rather than the opposing side.

In the end, when it comes down to it... what I see and associate with on a day to day basis will not automatically change because of a number, but rather, the type of people that live in my area.

the world would have to be incredibly organized and almost computerized for such a thing to work like that

In fact, the world is - at last check - both organized, and the NIH is very computerized.  I'm going to trust them on this much at least.

But I did check and the figures from the UN Health Organization is consistent with the NIH figures.  They too are very organized and computerized.

I was meaning the distribution of people, not society and organizations.

Yeh as far as shaving goes, I started to shave my legs at my father's insistence when I was 13, finally stopped when realized why was different and didn't want to do another thing to hide who I was.  Although kinda wish had grown back more even, as the bottom part of my lower legs has longer hair than rest of legs, but it's grown out thickly, although darker.  I was fortunate in one thing of being naturally fairly hairy for a woman lol.  No beard though, and even with T not sure how would turn out since my father has some bald spots in his and I have a bit of native american in heritage (not a lot, mostly irish, scottish, and german)

Height wise, am short for guy at 5'4" but I have a thicker build which to me satisfies me well enough.  Got larger than average feet and hands for most women as well so thats good.  Unfortunately I got larger than average everything woman too

Arm pit wise, still shave occationally if going whear something sleeveless...  figure better not push my luck on what people can handle on a female body...  always done that though, so not sure why I keep itching now LOL

Odd, I started shaving my legs at 14.  Never quit.  So everyone I know who knows me thinks - because they know no different, that I just don't have leg hair.

Meh. I stopped shaving my legs because I didn't have a "need" to. I only did in the first place because girls are "supposed to." I was teased when I didn't.