Very passable and yes stay out of our restroom, young man. 

A picture is just that, a picture, but most gender traits are not about the face, but about mannerisms, actions, vocabulary, the way you hold a beer in the bar, if you order a beer (no glass) or some fru-fru drink, how you walk, how you cross your legs, all sorts of things that make "DO I PASS" based on a photo alone a bad way to judge. 

Remember, most people can guess gender from watching people walk away from them, i.e. they don't even see the face, they just watch the movement.

Dang... I like Fu fu drinks LOL

Though certain stouts are good to.

You totally pass! I wish I looked that good! Yeah, I'd start using the men's room if I were you. I don't bind in public yet, but if I'm slouching in the women's bathroom (I usually do) you can't see my chest, and I get weird stares from the teenage girls in the room. Especially the snobby ones. I have to admit, it makes me feel a little better, though, that they have to double-take or stare to figure it out. 

Quote from: tekla on August 07, 2008, 08:04:23 PM
A picture is just that, a picture, but most gender traits are not about the face, but about mannerisms, actions, vocabulary, the way you hold a beer in the bar, if you order a beer (no glass) or some fru-fru drink, how you walk, how you cross your legs, all sorts of things that make "DO I PASS" based on a photo alone a bad way to judge. 

Remember, most people can guess gender from watching people walk away from them, i.e. they don't even see the face, they just watch the movement.

Sound advice, Tekla.  I know that passing comes down to more than just what my mug looks like.  The thing is, what seems to give me away the most is my face.  It used to be 'sir, gentleman, young man' when people approached me from behind or sideways when I had long hair, but they'd immediately correct themselves (with many apologies) as soon as they saw my face.  Something about it is just too damn young, sweet, and cute (thanks to my mom for those words >.< she says that that's why I'll never pass as a man... after T I suspect that'll just be wishful thinking on her part).  I've been told this by friends as well--everything is spot-on male (particularly the walking and beer part, I'm told  ), and the only giveaway would be my face. 

Thing is, the way the long hair framed it was rather feminine and the hair obscured my lower face, making it look smaller and more delicate than it actually is; the hair was also hella wavy/curly and made me look far cuter in the feminine sense.  In the past week (post haircut), I've looked people dead-on in the eye and their conclusion was to greet me with 'sir' or something similar, or 'gentlemen' if I was with friends.  They don't call me out even after speaking with them, provided I cool it on inflections and don't bother with hand gestures.  Only once was I greeted with female pronouns by a stranger, but then again I was going out of my way with voice inflections and hand gestures... is it odd that it's like an experiment to me to figure out what actions of mine lead people to come to the conclusion of 'male' or 'female'?

You look remarkably like my cousin. I have no idea how old you are, but you look like a young man / older boy to me.
And eh, my cousin is quite the lady's man, or so I've heard. 

Quote from: Eryk on August 08, 2008, 12:15:15 PM

Quote from: tekla on August 07, 2008, 08:04:23 PM
A picture is just that, a picture, but most gender traits are not about the face, but about mannerisms, actions, vocabulary, the way you hold a beer in the bar, if you order a beer (no glass) or some fru-fru drink, how you walk, how you cross your legs, all sorts of things that make "DO I PASS" based on a photo alone a bad way to judge. 

Remember, most people can guess gender from watching people walk away from them, i.e. they don't even see the face, they just watch the movement.

Sound advice, Tekla.  I know that passing comes down to more than just what my mug looks like.  The thing is, what seems to give me away the most is my face.  It used to be 'sir, gentleman, young man' when people approached me from behind or sideways when I had long hair, but they'd immediately correct themselves (with many apologies) as soon as they saw my face.  Something about it is just too damn young, sweet, and cute (thanks to my mom for those words >.< she says that that's why I'll never pass as a man... after T I suspect that'll just be wishful thinking on her part).  I've been told this by friends as well--everything is spot-on male (particularly the walking and beer part, I'm told  ), and the only giveaway would be my face. 

Thing is, the way the long hair framed it was rather feminine and the hair obscured my lower face, making it look smaller and more delicate than it actually is; the hair was also hella wavy/curly and made me look far cuter in the feminine sense.  In the past week (post haircut), I've looked people dead-on in the eye and their conclusion was to greet me with 'sir' or something similar, or 'gentlemen' if I was with friends.  They don't call me out even after speaking with them, provided I cool it on inflections and don't bother with hand gestures.  Only once was I greeted with female pronouns by a stranger, but then again I was going out of my way with voice inflections and hand gestures... is it odd that it's like an experiment to me to figure out what actions of mine lead people to come to the conclusion of 'male' or 'female'?

Well, you have a fine bone structure that could go either way. But just from the pic - the eyes and everything else are totally male. And wavy hair does so look so femme, I have it too.

Quote from: PolarBear on August 08, 2008, 01:08:48 PM
You look remarkably like my cousin. I have no idea how old you are, but you look like a young man / older boy to me.
And eh, my cousin is quite the lady's man, or so I've heard. 

I'm 22; and I also look remarkably like my own cousin... when he was a teenager.  I don't really have hopes of looking fully my age even after T, given my genetic background (mother and father both have always looked several years younger than their chronological age).  I figure I'll at least shed the young teen look though.

22? You look a little younger than that, I was thinking maybe 18 or 19 but ah well, you DO look passable to me :O

Do you have a lot of people telling you that you look a lot younger than your real age?

Quote from: Phate on August 09, 2008, 12:03:15 AM
22? You look a little younger than that, I was thinking maybe 18 or 19 but ah well, you DO look passable to me :O

Do you have a lot of people telling you that you look a lot younger than your real age?

Heck yeah, I have people telling me that I look young...  When I was 20, I was paying for gas and the lady at the gas station counter did a double-take on me; she said "nah, wait, you're not old enough to drive, are you?"  I of course get carded frequently for alcohol... problem is a lot of people think I just handed them a fake ID.  I tried to buy alcohol at a concert when I was 21, and my card got passed around to 2 other employees before they consented to give my my beer; when I returned for more, I was greeted with "Hey, look! It's 'the kid'!"  Lol.  When I was 18, my college classmates thought I was 15; they also thought I must've been crazy smart to be going to college 'early.'  Professors have expressed confusion about my age.  And the list goes on.

So if you think I look 18 or 19, well, that's better than I do with most people. 

lol yea, curse of the FTMs.  i look like im about 14 or so.  a very cute 14 though.

You're extremely passable, the jaw really works for ya.

And yeah, apparently I look like I'm 13.

People seem to think I am younger than am *shrugs*  though some have thought older too lol...   And I think it odd, most time I am not carded.  Sometimes, but most time am not.   Not sure if it because am with my friends or not though since their clearly old enough to buy alcohol lol.

Just adding my two cents on the FTM Curse...I look a bit younger than my age, probably fifteen or sixteen. In all but my freshman year of high school, teachers insisted I was younger. That wouldn't be remarkable, except this was people who still knew me as a girl. In female mode (yuck), I look my age. So maybe they saw the boy shining through and reacted appropriately? It's a nice thought.