Anyone know anything good bad inbetween?

Want to add mass?

Do it the right way. The honest way. Be a man and earn it.

I'm sick of guys trying to find a cheap way out with supplements and Bowflex.

Which is why you want to cheat.

Go ahead. Hold your grudge. Banish me if you have to. That won't change what I believe, and I believe taking supplements is cheating.

This is coming from a very weak man who could use the same excuse you're using.

I find that real health comes from real food, and I say that from experience. My body would not retain food, so I tried to enhance my diet with supplements. It only made things harder to recover when I stopped using the supplements. I then enforced a proper diet and found it very rewarding. I am saying this for the other young men on this site; I would not recommend supplements as a means of gaining mass.

If you want to do it, go right on ahead, but I won't let anyone sit here and preach how great the unhealthy practice is.

I'm a near cripple so, like you, I need all the help I can get.  I need to maximize my workouts even though my body does not allow for consistency.  Some days I can work out for hours, others I can handle about five minutes.  Having a few sessions with a personal trainer was AWESOME- I had someone who showed me how many gym exercises can be done at home or sitting in my chair at work.  I also found that supplements weren't as helpful as regular stuff that's plain old good for you- good food, regular sleep, yoga & bodywork, etc. 

Quote from: Mister on September 09, 2008, 01:59:34 AM
I'm a near cripple so, like you, I need all the help I can get.  I need to maximize my workouts even though my body does not allow for consistency.  Some days I can work out for hours, others I can handle about five minutes.  Having a few sessions with a personal trainer was AWESOME- I had someone who showed me how many gym exercises can be done at home or sitting in my chair at work.  I also found that supplements weren't as helpful as regular stuff that's plain old good for you- good food, regular sleep, yoga & bodywork, etc. 

So I can probably skip the nasty things?

I'd say that for the most part, don't spend your cash on supplements and instead spend it on good food.  Stop eating sugars (esp. high fructose corn syrup) and you'll see a big increase.  Get rid of all the fried crap, start munching on carrots instead of potato chips...   If all that is too much, start making small changes- get rid of soda.  switch to decaf.  downgrade to 1% milk. 

Oh, and I did this online program for pushups...  (google 'hundred pushups')  I did the initial program and kept increasing it incrementally.  Because of my semi-crippledom, it took me nearly 12 weeks instead of the website's six, but after completing it and using their formula to increase strength, i'm up to 560 consecutive pushups.

Quote from: Mister on September 09, 2008, 02:34:30 AM
I'd say that for the most part, don't spend your cash on supplements and instead spend it on good food.  Stop eating sugars (esp. high fructose corn syrup) and you'll see a big increase.  Get rid of all the fried crap, start munching on carrots instead of potato chips...   If all that is too much, start making small changes- get rid of soda.  switch to decaf.  downgrade to 1% milk. 

Oh, and I did this online program for pushups...  (google 'hundred pushups')  I did the initial program and kept increasing it incrementally.  Because of my semi-crippledom, it took me nearly 12 weeks instead of the website's six, but after completing it and using their formula to increase strength, i'm up to 560 consecutive pushups.

I came across and bookmarked that recently, was gonna analyze it later. I could do 12 weeks! Did you do daily, every other, what?

And yeah i pretty much drink decaf iced tea and coffee and soymilk. I don't really even like pop! Fried food... not so much into either. unless its tempura i make myself OM NOM NOM but that'll be veggies. No Milk, I'm Vegan Thats the other reason I was hoping there would be another way to do things since Mass Adders are either a) milkbased b) horribly expensive or c) all of the above.

I need to work on the sugar thing and REALLY HOPE T decreases that (ve gotten mixed reports)

Quote from: Mister on September 09, 2008, 02:34:30 AMI'd say that for the most part, don't spend your cash on supplements and instead spend it on good food.

What I said in the first place, thank you.

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Quote from: Mister on September 09, 2008, 02:34:30 AM
I'd say that for the most part, don't spend your cash on supplements and instead spend it on good food.  Stop eating sugars (esp. high fructose corn syrup) and you'll see a big increase.  Get rid of all the fried crap, start munching on carrots instead of potato chips...   If all that is too much, start making small changes- get rid of soda.  switch to decaf.  downgrade to 1% milk. 

Oh, and I did this online program for pushups...  (google 'hundred pushups')  I did the initial program and kept increasing it incrementally.  Because of my semi-crippledom, it took me nearly 12 weeks instead of the website's six, but after completing it and using their formula to increase strength, i'm up to 560 consecutive pushups.

I came across and bookmarked that recently, was gonna analyze it later. I could do 12 weeks! Did you do daily, every other, what?

And yeah i pretty much drink decaf iced tea and coffee and soymilk. I don't really even like pop! Fried food... not so much into either. unless its tempura i make myself OM NOM NOM but that'll be veggies. No Milk, I'm Vegan Thats the other reason I was hoping there would be another way to do things since Mass Adders are either a) milkbased b) horribly expensive or c) all of the above.

I need to work on the sugar thing and REALLY HOPE T decreases that (ve gotten mixed reports)

I tried to do every other day.  Sometimes it was every third or fourth day, I just didn't push it.