Each of the 21 boxes should contain a value from 1 to 7, categorizing the individual's answers to the questions. For variables A to E these range from 1=Other sex GENDER only to 7=Same sex GENDER only. For variables F and G these range from 1=Heterosexual only to 7=Homosexual only.

And the question about commmunity, 1 would be heteronormative and 7 would be queer/gay.

I feel its important to assess each axis separately--would you be willing to comment and share what you got for each sphere?




Thanks Tink for inviting me to do this!

Sorry, couldn't fill out B. I'm a virgin (unless you count being molested; I wouldn't really call that sex).



G: I used to consider myself "heterosexual" as a "tomboy who liked boys." I then came out and started feeling "safer" with girls about a year ago. If I had the right parts and more confidence around men, I'd really want to be gay and with men. But my fear keeps me away from them. I don't have a penis. It just doesn't work out with gay men... at least not yet. So they're like the forbidden fruit. I want them but I'm scared to want them.

Quote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 11:39:01 PM
Sorry, couldn't fill out B. I'm a virgin (unless you count being molested; I wouldn't really call that sex).

IMO experience should be specifically consensual experience.

BTW yet another thing we have in common.

Weird thing is though... it didn't bother me that the guy did it... it bothered me that he was desceitful and manipulative about it.
Yes I'm a ->-bleeped-<-got slut LOLOL

As you can see, I've averaged 5.

It bothered me because the man who abused me was family. And he abused me chronically for many years. And my mother still doesn't believe that it happened. I wasn't raped, thank the Gods, but I might as well have been.

Quote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 11:54:59 PM
It bothered me because the man who abused me was family. And he abused me chronically for many years. And my mother still doesn't believe that it happened. I wasn't raped, thank the Gods, but I might as well have been.

That is awful. My heart hurts for you.

Quote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 11:39:01 PM
Sorry, couldn't fill out B. I'm a virgin (unless you count being molested; I wouldn't really call that sex).



G: I used to consider myself "heterosexual" as a "tomboy who liked boys." I then came out and started feeling "safer" with girls about a year ago. If I had the right parts and more confidence around men, I'd really want to be gay and with men. But my fear keeps me away from them. I don't have a penis. It just doesn't work out with gay men... at least not yet. So they're like the forbidden fruit. I want them but I'm scared to want them.

Dan,

Do you mean you wouldn't be bi at all if you had a dick?

Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 12:05:30 AM
Dan,

Do you mean you wouldn't be bi at all if you had a dick?

Does the "what would you like?" question refer to how you'd like to be, or who you'd like to be with?

Quote from: Ciarquin on September 09, 2008, 03:19:16 AM
Does the "what would you like?" question refer to how you'd like to be, or who you'd like to be with?

Ideal is the identity that would make you happiest in each sphere.

Quote from: iFindMeHere on September 09, 2008, 03:22:15 AM
Ideal is the identity that would make you happiest in each sphere.

That's what I thought but I decided it would be best to ask.

*removed*

Im sorry I dont have a clue how to do this!

Quote from: Jay on September 09, 2008, 04:24:03 AM
Im sorry I dont have a clue how to do this!

Me either, lol.

It's like Sexuality Sudoku

I just know that, at this moment in my life, I'm a woman who is attracted mentally, physically and sexually to other women. And once my transition is over I'll be physically gay as well as mentally. That's pretty much all the analysis I want or need. The past isn't as important as the future.

To quote Patrick McGoohan in 'The Prisoner': "I am not a number!"

Quote from: Jay on September 09, 2008, 04:24:03 AM
Im sorry I dont have a clue how to do this!

Write the numbers on a piece of paper in any order you please.... interpret as you wish... share if you want.

If you wanna get fancy like Elwood and I you can use Photoshop or similar

Basically I just LOVE Klein's grid because its got room for fluctuation as well as intention. I like that you can interpret it by sphere, time frame, overall, whatever!

Posted on: September 09, 2008, 02:27:14 PM

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Quote from: Leiandra on September 09, 2008, 04:46:07 AM

Me either, lol.

It's like Sexuality Sudoku

I just know that, at this moment in my life, I'm a woman who is attracted mentally, physically and sexually to other women. And once my transition is over I'll be physically gay as well as mentally. That's pretty much all the analysis I want or need. The past isn't as important as the future.

To quote Patrick McGoohan in 'The Prisoner': "I am not a number!"

MY NAME IS JEAN VAL JEAN!!!!

And Abraham Lincoln, too:

"For those who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like."

I can do the column for current, but I am getting confused with the past life one.  I am assuming I am answering these as a woman.  But for instance, but with the gay/lesbian community vs straight community question, I'm not sure what to answer since I was with another woman, but I didn't really hang out with lesbians.

Quote from: Melissa on September 09, 2008, 02:59:41 PM
I can do the column for current, but I am getting confused with the past life one.  I am assuming I am answering these as a woman.  But for instance, but with the gay/lesbian community vs straight community question, I'm not sure what to answer since I was with another woman, but I didn't really hang out with lesbians.

That first question you ask is a personal judgement thing--do you feel you should be answering them as a woman? then do so.

The community question is whether you hang in a heteronormative social environment or a queer/gay environment. This proves exactly why the Klein grid exists. You had a lesbian relationship but hung out in straight community. so the community sphere should be toward the 1 end for that period. Get it?

Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 12:05:30 AM

Quote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 11:39:01 PMSorry, couldn't fill out B. I'm a virgin (unless you count being molested; I wouldn't really call that sex).



G: I used to consider myself "heterosexual" as a "tomboy who liked boys." I then came out and started feeling "safer" with girls about a year ago. If I had the right parts and more confidence around men, I'd really want to be gay and with men. But my fear keeps me away from them. I don't have a penis. It just doesn't work out with gay men... at least not yet. So they're like the forbidden fruit. I want them but I'm scared to want them.

Dan,

Do you mean you wouldn't be bi at all if you had a dick?

I don't think I'd find women unattractive, but I wouldn't any longer pursue them if I had a chance with men. Because I have a distinct preference. It just doesn't work with my body.

Dan,
I think you should just embrace your gay identity then. Not that you shouldn't be with girls also if you want to but don't let fear of rejection stop you from getting what you want. If you're gay, you'll just be miserable if you aren't with guys.

Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 05:17:12 PMDan,
I think you should just embrace your gay identity then. Not that you shouldn't be with girls also if you want to but don't let fear of rejection stop you from getting what you want. If you're gay, you'll just be miserable if you aren't with guys.

Right, but I am miserable with guys. Because while I love them, I envy their bodies. I can't have him flashing his dick around without feeling terrible about myself.

I'm in conflict. Which is why I keep saying I'll never have a partner.

Quote from: Elwood on September 09, 2008, 05:20:15 PM

Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 05:17:12 PMDan,
I think you should just embrace your gay identity then. Not that you shouldn't be with girls also if you want to but don't let fear of rejection stop you from getting what you want. If you're gay, you'll just be miserable if you aren't with guys.

Right, but I am miserable with guys. Because while I love them, I envy their bodies. I can't have him flashing his dick around without feeling terrible about myself.

I'm in conflict. Which is why I keep saying I'll never have a partner.

God, I don't envy you dealing with all that. Do you think T will make you feel any better in that regard?

Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 05:26:48 PM

Quote from: Elwood on September 09, 2008, 05:20:15 PM

Quote from: Nero on September 09, 2008, 05:17:12 PMDan,
I think you should just embrace your gay identity then. Not that you shouldn't be with girls also if you want to but don't let fear of rejection stop you from getting what you want. If you're gay, you'll just be miserable if you aren't with guys.

Right, but I am miserable with guys. Because while I love them, I envy their bodies. I can't have him flashing his dick around without feeling terrible about myself.

I'm in conflict. Which is why I keep saying I'll never have a partner.

God, I don't envy you dealing with all that. Do you think T will make you feel any better in that regard?

I really don't have a clue.

I'll have a micro penis and some more masculine traits but... as long as some guy wants to frak me in the ass and I can't return the favor, it's just not going to be a pleasurable experience. I don't want to be some guy's bitch. I want to have my share, too.

I'm a guy who REALLY wants to penetrate, but I simply cannot. The urge is unbearable.