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Androgyne: Hardest and Yet Easiest Realization to Have

Started by Mia and Marq, August 13, 2007, 10:33:39 PM

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Mia and Marq

Hey everyone. I've been meaning to post this forever. Its been bouncing around in constant discussion between Marq and Mia for weeks now.

First off I want to jokingly say that sometimes even our topics are somewhere in the middle of extremes, or both extremes at the same time.

This post is mainly for those just starting their gender realization journey though the "elders" among us are sure to contribute more insight. I thought the best way to present this would be a list of reasons why realizing you are an androgyne is both the easiest and most difficult realization to have.
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Its hard to come to realize because its not very well defined. Androgyny is more of a concept then an actual definition. Therefore its difficult if you insist on applying titles to try to find a title that fits you perfectly.

Its easiest to come to the realization that the best gender definition for you is yourself. This also means you never have to live up to standards of the definition because you are the definition and you set the standards.

Its hard to realize because the concept is very alien to most(though lets hope we can change that) and so when you're on your gender journey sometimes you have to visit a lot of other concepts before Androgyny makes its way into your attention.

Its easy because once you're familiar with Androgyny, all you have to do is keep being you. You don't have to worry if things happen in your life that change everything, you still only have to be you.

Its hard to realize because most people have been taught their whole life to fall into the gender binaries and a lot of the time feeling out of place in this binary just gets swept under the rug.

Its easy because after you know where you fit between the binary genders, you still may feel like you can relate to the binary genders without having to be limited to them.

Its hard because when you have to share this experience with your friends and family, sometimes no matter how many questions you answer, others just can't wrap their minds around it or just shrug you off.

Its easy because if you honestly and truely accept where you stand as an Androgyne, no amount of pressure from anyone can take away the fact that you are blessed with something special, extra perception, extra freedom in attire, extra freedom to express yourself in all forms, and free to take the path you want to take.

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I hope this offers those who are just learning about themselves some insight, those who wish to know more about us another view, and those who embrace their Androgyny reaffirmation just how special they really are.

Do with this as you will

Marq and Mia
Together what could possibly stop us
Limited only by our motivation
Being given the gift of two-spirits meant that this individual had the ability to see the world from two perspectives at the same time. This greater vision was a gift to be shared, and as such, Two-spirited beings were revered as leaders, mediators, teachers, artists, seers, and spiritual guides
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Kendall

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no_id

Thanks for posting this M&M, it nearly seems like you've compressed all our thoughts into one comprehensible piece. I'm certain it will be helpful for the newcomers to this sphere. Great job. 8)
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Davilee

I liked that very much.....
Yes,I've had problems sometimes accepting the realization;it was a long journey to finally understand because i tended to bury it when it would rear up in my thoughts.....
I never felt like i was bouncing back and forth between gender modes,I felt/feel like I was living as two people in one body....that sums it up,.. and yes Ive had quite a time getting to realize exactly who and what I am....
This may sound nutty..I just had some heavy discussion with myself lastnight....and cried for awhile...
I sometimes feel that I am a twin and my twin died before knowing them physically,....perhaps in utero?.....Ive always had this loneliness like someone is missing physically from my presence....
BUT...I feel that I am WE,that I contain both of our psyches or spirits.......
uh..am i just having a insanity event?.....
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Mia and Marq

Davilee, I hope you get an opportunity to read some of my posts soon. Look up the term Bigender and see if that seems to fit your visualization. You'll find you're not alone in how you see whats going on inside. As you can probably tell from my(our) picture and signature, I find myself in quite a similiar situation.

After you get to 15 posts, feel free to send us some PMs on here or look up my email address in the member listing. We'd like to get to know both of you better.

Again look at the posts about Bigender on here if feel so inclined.

Marq and Mia
One and One still is One
Being given the gift of two-spirits meant that this individual had the ability to see the world from two perspectives at the same time. This greater vision was a gift to be shared, and as such, Two-spirited beings were revered as leaders, mediators, teachers, artists, seers, and spiritual guides
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ROSANN

Quote from: Davilee on August 16, 2007, 04:22:31 PM
I liked that very much.....
Yes,I've had problems sometimes accepting the realization;it was a long journey to finally understand because i tended to bury it when it would rear up in my thoughts.....
I never felt like i was bouncing back and forth between gender modes,I felt/feel like I was living as two people in one body....that sums it up,.. and yes Ive had quite a time getting to realize exactly who and what I am....
This may sound nutty..I just had some heavy discussion with myself lastnight....and cried for awhile...
I sometimes feel that I am a twin and my twin died before knowing them physically,....perhaps in utero?.....Ive always had this loneliness like someone is missing physically from my presence....
BUT...I feel that I am WE,that I contain both of our psyches or spirits.......
uh..am i just having a insanity event?.....


:embarrassed: :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :D :D ;) yes me to Davilee, (accepting the realization)

   I have been to the (ANDROGYNE SITE) about half dozen times and been readin it as good as I can and been to some of the other links. All my life I have been the strong male and the Femnine male too, and never could understand it at all. I couldn't believe my eyes when i was reading this about androgynes. It seem like every word just fit right in my life and as I was thinking in my passed tense ,it made so much sense to me. I took that test about three times and ever time it came out the same saying I was Androgyne. So I decided to go farther and study more.

SUGGESTIONS FOR ACTION:
Your situation is a little tricky in our current society, but not tremendously so, depending on your geographic location.
The suggestions for your circumstance are not overly complicated.
If you have any comfortability about your gender expression, some slight degree of counseling might well prove helpful. The primary goal would be to make it possible for you to enjoy your gender expressions free from any shame or embarrassment, and to resolve any remaining questions you might have.
As an androgynous being, both genders, and both sexes are natural to your expression. Permanent polarization in either direction might bring significant unhappiness. It is not recommended that you go through a complete transsexual transformation. You might find a partial transformation of value, if you find yourself more attracted overall to the feminine. You are more likely a transgenderist, than a transsexual. It is recommended that you recognize that your gender issues are real, but that extreme action regarding them should be viewed with great caution.
If you have not already, consider joining any of the thousands of groups devoted to gender play of various varieties. There is literally a world of friends to discover who share your interests. There are also publications, vacations, and activities that would expand your gender play.
Thank you for using the Combined Gender Identity And Transsexuality Inventory.



XX male syndrome is a condition where the XX male syndrome is a condition where the sex chromosomes of an individual do not agree with the physical sex of the affected person. Normally, there are 46 chromosomes, or 23 pairs of chromosomes, in each cell. The first 22 pairs are the same in men and women. The last pair, the sex chromosomes, is two X chromosomes in females (XX) and an X and a Y chromosome in males (XY).
With XX male syndrome, the person has female chromosomes but male physical features. The majority of persons with XX male syndrome have the Y chromosome gene SRY attached to one of their X chromosomes. SRY is the main genetic switch for determining that a developing embryo will become male. The rest of the individuals with XX male syndrome do not have SRY detectable in their cells. Hence, others genes on other chromosomes in the pathway for determining sex must be responsible for their male physical features.
of an individual do not agree with the physical sex of the affected person. Normally, there are 46 chromosomes, or 23 pairs of chromosomes, in each cell. The first 22 pairs are the same in men and women. The last pair, the sex chromosomes, is two X chromosomes in females (XX) and an X and a Y chromosome in males (XY).
With XX male syndrome, the person has female chromosomes but male physical features. The majority of persons with XX male syndrome have the Y chromosome gene SRY attached to one of their X chromosomes. SRY is the main genetic switch for determining that a developing embryo will become male. The rest of the individuals with XX male syndrome do not have SRY detectable in their cells. Hence, others genes on other chromosomes in the pathway for determining sex must be responsible for their male physical features.

I believe this is me,,,
Males with SRY positive XX male syndrome look like and identify as males. They have normal male physical features including normal male body, genitals, and testicles. All males with XX male syndrome are infertile (can not have biological children) because they lack the other genes on the Y chromosome involved in the making of sperm. Men with XX male syndrome are usually shorter than an average male, again because they do not have certain genes on the Y chromosome involved in height. A similar syndrome that affects males with two X chromosomes is Klinefelter's syndrome. Those individuals with 46XX present with a condition similar to Klinefelter's, such as small testes and abnormally long legs.


What are the symptoms of the XXY condition?
Not all males with the condition have the same symptoms or to the same degree. Symptoms depend on how many XXY cells a man has, how much testosterone is in his body, and his age when the condition is diagnosed.
The XXY condition can affect three main areas of development:
Physical development: As babies, many XXY males have weak muscles and reduced strength. They may sit up, crawl, and walk later than other infants. After about age four, XXY males tend to be taller and may have less muscle control and coordination than other boys their age.

As XXY males enter puberty, they often don't make as much testosterone as other boys. This can lead to a taller, less muscular body, less facial and body hair, and broader hips than other boys. As teens, XXY males may have larger breasts, weaker bones, and a lower energy level than other boys.

By adulthood, XXY males look similar to males without the condition, although they are often taller. They are also more likely than other men to have certain health problems, such as autoimmune disorders, breast cancer, vein diseases, osteoporosis, and tooth decay.

XXY males can have normal sex lives, but they usually make little or no sperm. Between 95 percent and 99 percent of XXY males are infertile because their bodies don't make a lot of sperm.

I had to take special classes on my language ( big problem there)


Language development: As boys, between 25 percent and 85 percent of XXY males have some kind of language problem, such as learning to talk late, trouble using language to express thoughts and needs, problems reading, and trouble processing what they hear.
here to was a big problem)))
As adults, XXY males may have a harder time doing work that involves reading and writing, but most hold jobs and have successful careers.

Social development: As babies, XXY males tend to be quiet and undemanding. As they get older, they are usually quieter, less self-confident, less active, and more helpful and obedient than other boys.

As teens, XXY males tend to be quiet and shy. They may struggle in school and sports, meaning they may have more trouble "fitting in" with other kids.

However, as adults, XXY males live lives similar to men without the condition; they have friends, families, and normal social relationships.
What are the treatments for the XXY condition?
The XXY chromosome pattern can not be changed. But, there are a variety of ways to treat the symptoms of the XXY condition.
Educational treatments – As children, many XXY males qualify for special services to help them in school. Teachers can also help by using certain methods in the classroom, such as breaking bigger tasks into small steps.
Therapeutic options – A variety of therapists, such as physical, speech, occupational, behavioral, mental health, and family therapists, can often help reduce or eliminate some of the symptoms of the XXY condition, such as poor muscle tone, speech or language problems, or low self-confidence.
Medical treatments – Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) can greatly help XXY males get their testosterone levels into normal range. Having a more normal testosterone level can help develop bigger muscles, deepen the voice, and grow facial and body hair. TRT often starts when a boy reaches puberty. Some XXY males can also benefit from fertility treatment to help them father children.
One of the most important factors for all types of treatment is starting it as early in life as possible.
Where can I get more information about Klinefelter Syndrome?
Understanding Klinefelter

I did most of these but never did the Testosterone replacement.....all my life was these problems and now  I know what I am ... and all i need to do now if  I want to is go to the doctor and have it check out.  , I will ck it all out in time but what does it all mean ?????

 
 
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Eva Marie

Quote from: Marq and Mia on August 13, 2007, 10:33:39 PM
Hey everyone. I've been meaning to post this forever. Its been bouncing around in constant discussion between Marq and Mia for weeks now.

First off I want to jokingly say that sometimes even our topics are somewhere in the middle of extremes, or both extremes at the same time.

This post is mainly for those just starting their gender realization journey though the "elders" among us are sure to contribute more insight. I thought the best way to present this would be a list of reasons why realizing you are an androgyne is both the easiest and most difficult realization to have.
----

Its hard to come to realize because its not very well defined. Androgyny is more of a concept then an actual definition. Therefore its difficult if you insist on applying titles to try to find a title that fits you perfectly.

Its easiest to come to the realization that the best gender definition for you is yourself. This also means you never have to live up to standards of the definition because you are the definition and you set the standards.

Its hard to realize because the concept is very alien to most(though lets hope we can change that) and so when you're on your gender journey sometimes you have to visit a lot of other concepts before Androgyny makes its way into your attention.

Its easy because once you're familiar with Androgyny, all you have to do is keep being you. You don't have to worry if things happen in your life that change everything, you still only have to be you.

Its hard to realize because most people have been taught their whole life to fall into the gender binaries and a lot of the time feeling out of place in this binary just gets swept under the rug.

Its easy because after you know where you fit between the binary genders, you still may feel like you can relate to the binary genders without having to be limited to them.

Its hard because when you have to share this experience with your friends and family, sometimes no matter how many questions you answer, others just can't wrap their minds around it or just shrug you off.

Its easy because if you honestly and truely accept where you stand as an Androgyne, no amount of pressure from anyone can take away the fact that you are blessed with something special, extra perception, extra freedom in attire, extra freedom to express yourself in all forms, and free to take the path you want to take.

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I hope this offers those who are just learning about themselves some insight, those who wish to know more about us another view, and those who embrace their Androgyny reaffirmation just how special they really are.

Do with this as you will

Marq and Mia
Together what could possibly stop us
Limited only by our motivation

Good info.

I am starting to think that perhaps I am bigendered. Seems to be two of me having horrible arguments in my head. The thing that I have going on with me that I don't see in your list is "discontent". For some reason the idea of me being androgyne is bringing huge discontent. I'm growing tired of the separate halves of me arguing about it. There is a lot of noise in my head right now  :embarrassed: even though i'm pretty sure that the androgyne label fits. Apparently my female side is pushy  :laugh:
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