Where is the love in trying to make gays go straight?

http://www.adn.com/opinion/compass/story/534077.html
By TIFFANY McCLAIN
The Anchorage Daily News
Published: September 22nd, 2008

One of my earliest memories is being told by the principal of my
Christian school that along with Prince fans and devotees of the
rock band, Kiss homosexuals were going to hell.

I was only 6 years old and had never heard of a homosexual, but my
principal was happy to spell it out for his elementary school
audience: "Homosexuals are men who have sex with men." By the end of
the school day, I was in tears, convinced that my mother's love for
Prince had doomed us both for eternity.

This is why I hate God (and by God I mean the church).

Yeah, it's pretty hard to hate someone who doesn't exist.

Quote from: Nephie the Tree-Hugger on September 23, 2008, 10:01:42 PM
Yeah, it's pretty hard to hate someone who doesn't exist.

It's even harder to hate that person when you can't disprove his non-existance, making him subject to whatever feelings might be bestoyed upon him until his existance is proven or disproven.

Now, let's quit making fallacious statements about how god doesn't exist and get back to the main point: he doesn't friggin exist

I loled.

I'm not an aetheist per se. I think things are all connected and that the universe as a whole might be something along the lines of god... But not some white bearded Zeus rip-off who gives people crappy lives for trite, ancient lesson morals... I mean... Thats being an ->-bleeped-<-...

Quote from: deviousxen on September 23, 2008, 10:13:26 PM
I loled.

I'm not an aetheist per se. I think things are all connected and that the universe as a whole might be something along the lines of god... But not some white bearded Zeus rip-off who gives people crappy lives for trite, ancient lesson morals... I mean... Thats being an ->-bleeped-<-...

Yeah I know!

Wisdom from our dear author of Startrek: "We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes."

I love Startrek.  Much better investment of time than church!^_^

Quote from: Annwyn on September 23, 2008, 10:21:49 PM
Wisdom from our dear author of Startrek: "We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty humans and then blames them for his own mistakes."

That quote pretty much sums it up.

~tosses a bible at Annwyn~

I
Just
Want
To
See
You
Laughing
In
The
Purple rain.

Quote from: Stealthgrrl on September 23, 2008, 10:37:25 PM
~tosses a bible at Annwyn~

I
Just
Want
To
See
You
Laughing
In
The
Purple rain.

-examines pages of bible-

I bet there's acid on the paper.  That'd explain a WHOOOLE lot.  lulz.

If I were God, I'd be an ->-bleeped-<- too.  I'd go around telling people that right is left, 2+2 = 5, red is blue, and squares are circular (squircular?).  I think YHVH outdid me with the "gays can be straight" gag, though.  That's got to crack the angels up every time.

Quote from: Nephie the Tree-Hugger on September 23, 2008, 11:00:44 PM
If I were God, I'd be an ->-bleeped-<- too.  I'd go around telling people that right is left, 2+2 = 5, red is blue, and squares are circular (squircular?).  I think YHVH outdid me with the "gays can be straight" gag, though.  That's got to crack the angels up every time.

2+2=22.  or it could be 25/52, depending on how you flip the 2 to a 5.  or possibly a 7... or a 10.

:-p

maybe this is why i'm struggling in calculus...

So gods Big Brother now?


It explains so much!


So apparently being stoned retarded makes me a genius at analogies...

So heres one:

"Your dad who created you beats mother nature cause she slacks in the kitchen. He's god. He blows cigarette smoke in your face all day long sitting there hidden away under the blanket, and if you smoke at all, he beats you. He tells you the evils of sitting there in front of a screen. Dads screen is big... The biggest screen in the universe in fact. He can literally see EVERYTHING on that thing. He smacks me when I don't behave, and my mom goes along, cause she married him and got beaten the day after marriage. Now she's his slave. She screams hurricanes in my face and ears, and I tell my friends to stay away, cause it isn't safe where I live. She makes the ground shake when she stomps over unleashing her rage. Whenever I do something bad, my father goes at me, and then my mom does because of him. Its only natural though, right? My dad tells me to believe in him as a great person, and even if I don't, he'd smacks me... And you know what? Praise my dad. Praise my creator."

or something...
I may have run out of juice and caffeine.

GOOD NIGHT.

Quote from: Annwyn on September 24, 2008, 12:34:08 AM

Quote from: Nephie the Tree-Hugger on September 23, 2008, 11:00:44 PM
If I were God, I'd be an ->-bleeped-<- too.  I'd go around telling people that right is left, 2+2 = 5, red is blue, and squares are circular (squircular?).  I think YHVH outdid me with the "gays can be straight" gag, though.  That's got to crack the angels up every time.

2+2=22.  or it could be 25/52, depending on how you flip the 2 to a 5.  or possibly a 7... or a 10.

:-p

maybe this is why i'm struggling in calculus...

Nope. You're messed up from licking the pages of that bible. I wouldn't have pitched it at you if I'd known you were going to be like that. 

If there is only one God then there can not be a Satan.

Quote from: Stealthgrrl on September 24, 2008, 06:16:28 AM
Nope. You're messed up from licking the pages of that bible. I wouldn't have pitched it at you if I'd known you were going to be like that. 

OMG WITCHES EVERYWHERE EVERYWHERE GAAAAAH

-runs to Salem Massachusetts-

Quote from: Natasha on September 23, 2008, 05:36:35 PM
Where is the love in trying to make gays go straight?

http://www.adn.com/opinion/compass/story/534077.html
By TIFFANY McCLAIN
The Anchorage Daily News
Published: September 22nd, 2008

One of my earliest memories is being told by the principal of my
Christian school that along with Prince fans and devotees of the
rock band, Kiss homosexuals were going to hell.

I was only 6 years old and had never heard of a homosexual, but my
principal was happy to spell it out for his elementary school
audience: "Homosexuals are men who have sex with men." By the end of
the school day, I was in tears, convinced that my mother's love for
Prince had doomed us both for eternity.

I guess I could say that it's not loving to try to make gays straight and that there are a great many Christians who don't believe that way. But, it would seem folks here would just reject those comments out of hand. After all, the media says this is what Christians believe, so my experiences must be wrong.

Of course, the media thrives on conflict. Rarely will "good" news be reported. It's quite sad actually. If I were to believe the media and the posters here, I would have to that senior pastor at my family's church really isn't an out-of-the-closet lesbian.

How silly of me to actually believe that what I've experience could actually have happened. How silly of me to try to insist the Christian I know who reject the hate-filled verses actuall exist. How silly of me to believe that religion is more complicated that others would insist.

Of course, If I were to post the same type of judgemental and intolerant comments regarding TS/TG folks that are being posted about religious folks, I'd be smited into the middle of next week.

I don't recall ever passing moral judgment on Christians as a group, nor have I ever made intolerant comments about that group.  My disbelief of God is no more intolerant towards Christians than the Christian disbelief of Shiva is intolerant toward Hindus.

Quote from: Nephie the Tree-Hugger on September 24, 2008, 12:09:22 PM
I don't recall ever passing moral judgment on Christians as a group, nor have I ever made intolerant comments about that group.  My disbelief of God is no more intolerant towards Christians than the Christian disbelief of Shiva is intolerant toward Hindus.

Then perhaps I misunderstood your comment regarding theism being equivalent to delusion. Forgive me.

theism being equivalent to delusion

No, but I'll buy that.  Invisible friends are just that.

Quote from: tekla on September 24, 2008, 06:50:38 PM
theism being equivalent to delusion

No, but I'll buy that.  Invisible friends are just that.

Of course. How silly of me to resent that.

But if I were to quote those folks who say that gender dysphoria and TG/TS were based in delusion, I think many folks here would object. And they should, really.

Show me the proof of the delusion, and I'll yield. And I mean proof, not compelling arguments. I will readily admit that there are some very compelling arguments that religion is a form of delusion. But, it takes more than compelling arguments to make a fact in my mind.

Theistic and atheistic zealots have yet to offer me the proof for me to be swayed by their "facts." Agnostics, to me, have a much tighter grip on reality, as they will readily indicate they don't KNOW. Theistic and atheistic zealots insist they DO know, but without any real (to me) proof.