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So this is the name for it?

Started by Underground Panther, June 14, 2006, 10:26:52 PM

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Underground Panther

Genderqueer. I am ftm but..I am not 100% male...
More like 50% male,(often more than that) 40% feline(often more than that) and 10% female.. and this ratio depends on how I feel on any given day or moment .. so it varies..
Does anyone else vary in thier perceptions of identity,
and is anyone else here animal identified as well? Having an animal spirit within?
Some call it"furry" or"transfurred"?



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Kimberly

Another site I visit on occasion refers to 'genderqueer' as bigender, for what that is worth.

The general idea seems the same though, either both genders indecisively or basically neither... from what I understand mind. My sense of self is pretty constant so I do not speak from experience.

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Nero

Panther,
I have a certain animal I identify with, but it's not an animal spirit within. More like a symbol.
It's not a cat though. It'd be nice if my symbol were the lion. But it's not, I didn't choose my animal counterpart, it chose me. Tell me more about being "transfurred". I find this fascinating.

Nero
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Jennifer72

I am an MTF yet my  gender seems to fluxuate between male and female. Hmmmm.... I do also have an animal spirit, but I am not a fur. Actually I have two. The dragon and the tiger.
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Underground Panther


The Panthers chose me,too.As did the Godess Sekhmet and a being named Missipeshu . This is how I got associated with Panthers,and how I met The Underground Panthers.


I had this dream on the night of my birthday,I had just turned 5 that day.
The dream began at night (in the dream)when  violent thunderstorm came.The windows flashed with lightning.The rain was reflected in the flashes,the thunder roared,as rain came in wisping through my
windowscreen smelling of ozone and green freshness..Then it was dark and silent.Then,I woke up.(in the dream)
And it was a sunny morning .

All the colors were so hyperreal,golden..
In our backard a weed had sprouted. I was in bed again(in the dream) and an even more severe storm came,lightning flased the wind felt like it may blow the house down..
I woke up to another golden morning more beatiful than before,and the weed became a tree.And the tree was rainbow colored,shimmering, like stained glass,it had grapefruit sized crystal clear fruits on it's branches.
A winged horned lynx the color of the rainbow with  flickering lightning in it's fur offered me a fruit off of the tree to eat.
I took it.It was a shimmery orb very much like a soap bubble with clear seeds in it's middle and a plant structure
holding them like an apple or a pear has in it's center.

I ate it,it was sweet and tasted like an berryish orange grape.I turned around  to see the sun. The sun swirled it's light from  green to red to orange and blue.On the other side of the sky a silvery moon hung in the high horizon .Lots of animals showed up nearby quite suddenly,out of nowhere.There were even tigers and peacocks butterflies and hummingbirds.There were all sorts of animals snakes, lightningbugs birds ,mammals,had  gathered around my backyard standing close to me.
I saw the sun it was flashing and I greeted it .

I held aloft my hands(similar to the ka symbol in egypt) and it came down to me, I started  throwing it and catching it like a beach ball.Then I sent it back to the sky and it rose up like a helium balloon.
I did this with the moon too  but it was heavier,and  I had to throw it back into the sky with some force and it spun out it's phases   
in reply until it went back to it's normal place in the sky .
The animals were all around me so quiet but so friendly and they were
speaking to me without words.I wish I could remember the conversations..


Suddenly the sky above me  shifted it's clouds,and a huge panther's face emerged made of the sky itself and appeared
hovering above me. It's eyes were so gentle and soft .It's face covered the sky from horizon to horizon .Huge whiskers brushed against the tree tops.

The Panther's eyes began to glow and it sent energy but it bumped me like waves as I was lifted up 1  1/ 2 feet off the ground,
my hair was swirling up in this electrified wind swirling around me, and the panther's eyes changed, they went on forever like a vortex into eternity. Two beautiful bolts of lightning it flowed from the
Panther's strange lowing inner eyes, merged into one  bolt, swirled down and struck my chest ,throat and head. It was gentle like it was being poured into me.It had faces in it of all sorts of animals..swirling through it.
Lightning of every color came out from every pore and orafice of my body.
It was color changing looked kinda like a hologram made of many kinds of beings. It didn't hurt me at all .

I looked down and below me I saw another panther's face.It's face  was covering the  Earth and it was made of Earth 
for as far as I could see.treelines and muntains made it's stripes,it's eyes were open oceans..Both felines "held" me in a free moving kind of balance above the ground suspended on a stream of lightning.
Almost like a bead on a string.I could float/walk around. The lightning went through the earth,through my body into the Earth
panther's eyes,right  through the World into space. The Panthers eyes were stretching on forever,the sky bolts went through me
into the eyes of the sky panther and up forever the same way.

As I observed the panthers as swirling shapes of things flew out of thier stripes and manes. The sky panther had a horned halo..
On the panther below had markings that were trees and rivers and it's head was encircled by mountain ranges as
all sorts of things flew from the ends of the stripes..Living animals,music,art,anything you can think of was swirling off the fur
and becoming alive.Looking at the face of the panther above,
I saw the sky,clouds, stars, nebulae, galaxies,comets and worlds..spirits..swirling off it's fur sky clouds.

Then I rose a bit higher and the  seasons started mixing up together.There was snow on one side of the backyard ,spring on another,
The passing of the days sped up. Clouds rapidly moved as the shadows  of the sun and moon rapidly moved across the sky ,
shadows moved across  the yard faster and faster. it would snow,rain, hail..in quick bursts,with sunshine in between..Soon the sun and all became like a strobe light and chaotic.

I saw the stars in the sky in motion moving  like a syncopated gyroscope,or a flickering spinning top.
I was inside of it..The stars that were far away  formed into a snake shape and it danced around the horizon line.
Then I felt my body being pulled up more. I discovered I was inside  that rainbow tree trunk.The same tree I had eaten the fruit from before..,And the lightning was streaming through me still.I was moving up the tree like sap. Looking out from inside the trunk was like looking out of a tunnel shaped crystal and stained glass room.I looked down to the earth panther,and the gnarled roots of this tree I was in looked
like her fur markings..It was the tree roots as spinning galaxy of fractals.
This fractal/fur  root system was making worlds,and animals and people and all sorts of stuff before my eyes.

I saw so many dreams, thoughts ,inventions,things people..but it formed patterns and  it looked different from a higher up view. 
Everything was  forming off it's many ever  changing  fractalizing spiraling ends..It "ticked" in it's swirl motion.

I looked up at the The sky Panther and in it's eyes I saw  outerspace made of milky ways,suns, moons, planets, dust spirals, comets ,nebulae,and there were  many orbs of stars that had  faces,
many kinds of faces that changed shape and type .It was shifting wispy ,very beautiful .They were clear with stars inside,thier features were defined by membranes sort of  like in the fruit I ate..
They were nebulas and galaxies that were alive with beings. I was among them floating backwards slowly. They were speaking, all of them. I felt myself falling a feeling of panic.Suddenly there was a HUGE crash of thunder and I was startled awake in my real life.. in my bed on a sunny morning.When I woke up I ran outside to see was the tree there?
In my backyard overnight a bean plant  had grown,the day before nothing was there..But this day there was a bean plant it was 6 or so inches tall.I put a stake in to hold it up and it grew.I still keep a  few beans in a special pouch from this plant.I have no clue how it got there.Or how it grew so quick..I have never forgotten this dream.


Years later I went  into trance to ask Why after such a glorious dream was I awoken by thunder...?This was how I learned about  myself being trapped here before I was born.I was slammed  by some force not wanting me to escape,compressed into a small stream and forced or funneled into a fetus.That was born as me,now.

More about these beings that came into my life..
Mishipizheu  is who gave me the fruit in my dream and one of the panthers who shot me through with lightning.Mishipizheu or Gitche-anahmi-bezheu,among some other similar names ..is a  manitou of the underwater realm, spirit of rapids and tubulent water.This Great Panther can be in the form of a snake looking  creature with sharp teeth, anthers or horns, a long flaming tail, spiked ridges alomg his back like  liberty spikes,and power lightning shooting out from  from its body,.Mishipizhiw was also pictured as a big horned  feline,sometimes mixed with attributes of a bird of prey.

"Great Lynx", "great underwater wildcat," "underwater panther," or "fabulous night panther"  aresome of the monikers this great cat
goes by too. Like other Manitous, Mishipizhiw has power to shape-change into different animal forms.Mishipizheu is my first spiritual
connection to the feline dieties.The other is the Egyptian Godess Sekhmet,which I met in 6th grade when I touched her statue,
,that is another story I can tell you later.A factoid unknown to most people who don't study Sekhmet deeply ,She is a transgodess/god.Sekhem..is her masculine name,it means power. The "et" ending is the feminine ending shanging"power" into Lady of Power.
She wears both female and male dress and is a genderqueer lion.
She's my mother,and I am of her.(spiritually)
I have her image tattooed on my left lower leg,on my other leg is Bast,on my right upper arm is Mishipizhiw.


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Chynna

I am neither Male nor Female
I am both if I am Transgender at all
I perceive my thoughts and mind state to be somewhat of a hybrid or jumbled mix between the sexes
I am undescribable.
I am CHYNNA

0% male, 0% Female 100% a woman
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jaded

good one chynna you never fail to make me laugh
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Transguykid

genderqueer and bigendered are two different things, by definition, with genderqueer being a person not stereotypical of their sex and bigendered being a person who identifies as both male and female. Of course if people want to change that definition for themselves, who am I to stop them?

I myself identify as FtM. It hard to think that I'll ever be a man, but I'm certainly not a woman. Most of the time I think it's okay to be neither. I do know that I identify with more male side of the gender spectrum.
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Chynna

PSSSSS.........transguykid.
Quote from: Transguykid on July 04, 2006, 11:29:01 PM
It hard to think that I'll ever be a man,

Guess what...
Some WOMEN think that a MAN is based on his actions and his word...ummmm.....so to some you would be considered a man So I don't think of thinking of you as a MAN is a hard task at all more like seeing things for what they (or you) truly are!

Oh and Jaded.
You should see me after a few drinks dude...
ill have ya floored! ;)
Chynna
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Underground Panther

What till you see me in my full catty queer  feline glory.,I'll have you having kittens..*Smirk*

Yeah it seems  to me the way I and other genderqueers do to define thier own gender state  is to say thier  genderqueerness falls along the lines of discribing what they are NOT. As in..."I am NOT female,I am Not male ,I'm Not entirely human either."That's how I discribe my identity gender wise most of the time.

It seems that the "positive" statements(postitive as in not saying what you are not) "I am male I am female I am feline and human" is almost too hard for other people to wrap thier heads around,so I guess it''s easier to describe what you are by saying what you aren't.Either way it winds up meaningthe same thing. What you think you are..or what it feels like you are..Funny  twisting of words  if you look at it Ain't it?

One time I got asked who I was online at that time I was using the I'm not thisd or that as routine.. .So for once I sat down and I thought about it and found an elaborate way to give them the truth,which was I dunno who I am ..I wrote this piece in reply...(there is cussing in some of these links just to warn ya)
The Mystery of Identity
http://www.unknownnews.net/040227a-panther.html

Two other GBLT type issue articles I have written y'all might enjoy..
http://www.unknownnews.net/040305d-up.html
http://www.unknownnews.net/a080305upits.html

I write alot for unknown,there's alot of great writers there and another transperson whom I think is an awesome person too.
http://www.unknownnews.net/040130d-xix.html
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Furanshisu

I think the term for "transfurry" you're looking for is "therianthrophy," also called "weres" (short for were<insert animal>). Some may or may not be into the Furry Fandom too. Usually they shift between feeling they have a human and an animal spirit, though some feel that both are present and mixed at once (contherianthropy). Its easy to find info if you google it. I've done a lot of searching in that area too, but nothing stuck. However, my symbolism for myself (whatever you want to call it) is fox, though I don't fit into the were definitions. The lore of the Japanese kitsune is a good cross-section for this, as the magic foxes sometimes shapeshift into human form of another sex. I read on Furry Wiki (I think), that such stories makes the fox a popular choice amongst the transgendered for fursonas (different from weres). That and they're like a cross between a cat and a dog!  ;D

Sorry if this post is too old, I just joined and noticed it.
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