Quote from: flutter on October 29, 2008, 10:07:38 AM


There is no community because people seek to legitimize their own experience by belittling the experience of others.

Have these "post op crossdressers" told you they were still men? Can you provide a reference to this study you state 1) finds a way to differentiate the two groups and 2) shows their satisfaction ratings post-op?

This seems entirely to subjective to have such concrete figures as you mentioned earlier. And if these "post-op crossdressers" don't apply the term to themselves, or consider themselves women, what right do you have to tell them they are not?

How would you feel if I said you weren't a woman simply because you were born with a penis despite being a mosaic chimera? Do I have a right or a special insight that allows me to invalidate your reality?

Would you say a Boi in the lesbian scene isn't a woman because she acts and dresses like a man?

I'm sorry to pop your solipsistic bubble here, but why do you get to pick the labels?

I get to pick MY label and who I associate with as "community", not you.  You don't get the right to tell me I'm anything.....and if you called me a man, I'd laugh in your face because your opinion on that issue means less than nothing to me...you sure do insist on me being blunt with you don't you? 

I have my private opinions on the gender of those I meet, I mostly keep that private and go with what they tell me they are.....that's called politeness and common (most uncommon in transland apparently) curtesy.

Quote from: nooneinparticular on October 29, 2008, 09:21:43 AM
An interesting question.......and the answer is:  Blanchard regards SRS for AGs legitimate treatment.  At least that's the position he maintained for years at Jurassic Clarke.  A growing number of psychiatrists however disagree with him on that and will not write letters for those who fall on the AG side.

Thanks!

One more question, relating to your sig line, what kind of cookies? 

Z

Quote from: nooneinparticular on October 29, 2008, 09:35:16 AM
Nicole, your constant need to psychoanalysis me is getting beyond old.......

You know little of my life, nothing of my day to day realities and frankly I do not share many of my personal opinions on trans issues.  What you are doing is bordering on the obsessive.  It is beyond a doubt offensive in the extreme.  If this board had an Intergalactic Overlord Monitor, I'd be tempted to complain about it.

I have no reason to care much for transgenders, that is absolutely true.  Your constant shots at my "self esteem" issues and "need for personal vindication" and "need to be real" are total bull...the fact is I am supremely comfortable within my own skin, my womanhood creds unquestioned by myself and almost everyone in my life, I have no passing issues and hell, I'm not even trans.   I don't buy into "no trans left behind" and never will.  I'm a feminist and I do draw personal distinctions.  I do, however, treat people with respect until they give me reason not to and you are giving me ample reason not to.

Give it up.

You earned our collective disrespect first with your dishonest reporting and megalomania.

Quote from: glendagladwitch on October 29, 2008, 10:34:46 AM

You earned our collective disrespect first with your dishonest reporting and megalomania.

My reporting is totally honest....my source impeccable.  My "megalomania" is actually you don't like I know who I am and my own comfort with that........proving the point I made to Nicole.

Nothing but insults?........no rational discussion?  Tsk tsk and I'm the one with issues?

And just how was it honest of you to title your article "New study confirms probable genetic cause for classic transsexuality?"  You revise and misconstrue facts to sell your assumptions.  And that is a pattern of behavior you exhibit.  Everything you post is suspect.

Quote from: nooneinparticular on October 29, 2008, 10:19:30 AM

Quote from: flutter on October 29, 2008, 10:07:38 AM


There is no community because people seek to legitimize their own experience by belittling the experience of others.

Have these "post op crossdressers" told you they were still men? Can you provide a reference to this study you state 1) finds a way to differentiate the two groups and 2) shows their satisfaction ratings post-op?

This seems entirely to subjective to have such concrete figures as you mentioned earlier. And if these "post-op crossdressers" don't apply the term to themselves, or consider themselves women, what right do you have to tell them they are not?

How would you feel if I said you weren't a woman simply because you were born with a penis despite being a mosaic chimera? Do I have a right or a special insight that allows me to invalidate your reality?

Would you say a Boi in the lesbian scene isn't a woman because she acts and dresses like a man?

I'm sorry to pop your solipsistic bubble here, but why do you get to pick the labels?

I get to pick MY label and who I associate with as "community", not you.  You don't get the right to tell me I'm anything.....and if you called me a man, I'd laugh in your face because your opinion on that issue means less than nothing to me...you sure do insist on me being blunt with you don't you? 

I have my private opinions on the gender of those I meet, I mostly keep that private and go with what they tell me they are.....that's called politeness and common (most uncommon in transland apparently) curtesy.

So, you're telling me you dismiss anyone who calls you a male, but yet you privately hold in your own mind opinions on the gender identity of others contra to their own definition of themselves?

Regardless of whether or not you express these opinions, is not having them hypocritical?

I'm not telling you who is and isn't *Your* community, but you've already excluded yourself from this one by bragging about your mosaic chimera condition, and that it validates your position as a woman, therefore granting you free reign to judge others.

You still haven't answered why there needs to be different classifications.

You just proved my point by saying no one else gets to label you, so why do you get the right to apply labels? Why does anyone get the right to apply labels to any one else.

And yes, I am forcing you to be blunt because I'm backing you into a corner in the hopes some self-realitization of the hypocrisy of your position will spring forth through forcing you to defend it repeatedly.

And finally, you site this "impeccable source" without providing evidence or credentials, so how are we to assess the validity of your source? Are you sure your source isn't telling you what you want to hear so you'll leave her alone, and that's why she put you under an injunction *not* to say her name? How do we know you're not delusional, or that you're simply so pushy that she's lying to you to get you to go away.

Prove it. Empirical evidence. On the table.

Provide it, or tell me why you can't.

Actually is it an oldfashioned and in many places out of practice that concept or diagnose of  ->-bleeped-<-. Where I live even the gender clinic that is not trans-friendly does not believe anymore on it.

It seems like we are in a hopeless "loop" here, just going around in circles and not getting anywhere.

Time to relax and just enjoy life.

Sarah L.

I get to pick MY label and who I associate with as "community", not you.

I happen to think and believe that statement is true.

However, if you get to do that, so does everyone else.  Their choices for who they are, and what they are, and how they describe it are no more, or no less valid than anybodies choices. 

That being said, any outside opinion about those choices, any sort of values-based assessment as to how much or how little the person resembles that, are equally irrelevant. 

No one gets to say "I determine for me, and for everyone else too."

Quote from: nooneinparticular on October 29, 2008, 10:41:36 AM

Quote from: glendagladwitch on October 29, 2008, 10:34:46 AM

You earned our collective disrespect first with your dishonest reporting and megalomania.

My reporting is totally honest....my source impeccable.  My "megalomania" is actually you don't like I know who I am and my own comfort with that........proving the point I made to Nicole.

Nothing but insults?........no rational discussion?  Tsk tsk and I'm the one with issues?

You don't read much of what you say, do you, Cathryn?

When one can read, like it or not, one finds nuance, habits of usage and written demeanor, that come through as clearly on a board or in a blog as they come through with personal contact.

Unlike you I pay attention: it's what I have been trained to do. I do it well.

The only points you ever manage to prove in all of this are that you have an ideological POV that overrides all else, nothing quite matters to you as much as the self-impression that you are "right" and that others wish to "exile" you. That, dearest, is what you show, again and again. It's not what I simply make up.

That you choose to alienate yourself and then claim gloriously to be alienated because you are "right" shows a consistent unwillingness to imagine that your own life is as wholesome and as accepted as you claim. You would like it to be so, but you have these suspicions of failure, do you not?

No, I have never met you, but I have met other human beings, many and I count you among the human community.

We humans don't have a entire nuanced repetoire of various personalities and ways of being. We mostly fall within certain very recognizable patterns and those become evident to one who observes. Plus, it's always a good idea to check with some other observers to see what one doesn't see. I have and do.

I believe you are nailed, dear, and don't care for that. Just look at you. One supposed Cybelline amidst the crowd of wild-beasts who surround you. You live your own myth, Attis.

It may come as a shock to you, but when people pay attention they can see to the heart and through the mind. It's a skill one develops. Not magic, not fake. It simply occurs.

I suspect you don't pay very much attention to what is said to you and how when you are running one of these auto de fe masquerades that you run at various places.

Do I hate you? No. Do I feel for your pain? Yes. Now you may complain to Dennis as you wish, but I do not think that anyone is going to find an attack in anything I have written you.

You hurt; I feel badly for you. And this thread and others like it are simply the mythography of that made real on this board or at some blog.

You and I are visible in what we write and how we write for one who can read with ability. All I have done is to point out that all of us are visible in our concerns and the ways we write about them and the behaviors we express on this and other boards.

I'd hardly imagine a valid complaint could arise from that.

I truly do wish you Peace, beyond all else.

Nichole