So, medical, legal and whatever other "mundane" questions of being transgendered, of whatever shape or form, aside, do you attach any mystical significance to it? I mean, various cultures througout history have revered transsexual people as by turns mediators, "gatekeepers", divinely chosen priesthood, et al. Do you find some resonance with that history?

For more detail on the subject, read some of Rachel Pollack's thoughts on it:

http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/archetypal.html

http://www.annelawrence.com/twr/abandonment.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_pollack

So, does your being transgendered represent something ... more to you?

~Simone.

I lost it right about....expert on divinatory tarot.

don't be such a snob!

~Simone

Its not snob, its science.

That same science that says that either an eternal, malleable present or alternatively multiple timelines exist in parallel? Same one that says that new universes balloon out of older ones because some higgs-particle gets a bit frisky? Same science that says we influence reality just by looking at it?

Besides, the tarot is actually a book of symbolism and archetypes. It's divinitory uses are secondary, much like those of astrology are.

~Simone.

Well... personally I see being transgendered as just a word used to express the fact (self-percieved, perhaps) that I am a woman trapped in the body of a man. That's pretty much it. To me it's just a term other people use to classify my current condition.

I see myself as a woman first, transsexual/transgendered a distant second. I don't think it marks me out as anyone special, different, or worthy of holding any sort of position... I would prefer to achieve any sort of recognition simply through my own merits and actions as an individual, rather than an unfortunate occurence that I had no control over. And I certainly don't want, or deserve reverence for it.

The only mystical significance I attach to it is that it was a cosmic screw-up of some description. One that, in my opinion, there really isn't too much point wondering how it happened, but rather accepting the fact that it has, and figuring out the best way to deal with it.

True, it may afford me a somewhat different perspective on life than some, and hopefully I can use that to help others, but I don't think different equates to better or more capable.

Or... to sum up...

I don't want to be special, I just want to be me.

Oh, and as an aside... as a tool for focusing your intuition, the Tarot is really rather useful.

Quote from: Leiandra on November 04, 2008, 12:25:35 PMOh, and as an aside... as a tool for focusing your intuition, the Tarot is really rather useful.

That it most definitely is. Meditating on and analysing the symbolism in the various cards is really useful.

~Simone.

As an androgyne I don't attach mystical significance to being androgyne, but I do attach mystical significance to being me.

I think some people are significant, the rest are just scenery - perhaps collectively important but not particulalry so on their own.

Not particularly humble am I? 

What's this talk of "opinionated," Kiera! The mythical cycle states that hermaphradites are invariably docile and peacefull and are actually subject to being lynched by mobs as the mobs evidently know we won't fight it!

You guys need to read more classical studies on gender deviations!!

Nichole

Quote from: Leiandra on November 04, 2008, 12:25:35 PM


Or... to sum up...

I don't want to be special, I just want to be me.

Cutting through the therapist, doctors, science, opinions on what is transgender, soc, dsm and whatever you care to name

that is the most meaningful thing ive heard since i began to transition.

Quote from: the ramayanaAt one point, the hero Rama had to go into exile. Halfway there, he discovered that most of the people of his home town Ayodhya had been following him.

He told them, "Men and women, turn back!"

The men and women of the village turned back, but those who were neither men nor women did not know what to do, and so they stayed there.

Many years later, Rama returned from exile, and discovered them there still, those who were neither men nor women. He blessed them then, saying that one day they would rule all the world.

That's really kinda cool huh?

~Simone

Quote from: lady amarant on November 05, 2008, 05:23:24 AM

Quote from: the ramayanaAt one point, the hero Rama had to go into exile. Halfway there, he discovered that most of the people of his home town Ayodhya had been following him.

He told them, "Men and women, turn back!"

The men and women of the village turned back, but those who were neither men nor women did not know what to do, and so they stayed there.

Many years later, Rama returned from exile, and discovered them there still, those who were neither men nor women. He blessed them then, saying that one day they would rule all the world.

That's really kinda cool huh?

~Simone

hey what's that from, lady A?

Here's a thought. What if ->-bleeped-<- is an evolutionary process for homo sapiens in the early stages? Maybe the start of a future gender neutral society? 

It's from the Ramayana, Nero. An Indian epic poem about the life and works of the Vishnu avatar, Rama. It's the world's second longest poem, eclipsed only by the Mahabarata, also an Indian epic poem.

Nikki

Quote from: Nichole on November 05, 2008, 12:47:13 PM
It's from the Ramayana, Nero. An Indian epic poem about the life and works of the Vishnu avatar, Rama. It's the world's second longest poem, eclipsed only by the Mahabarata, also an Indian epic poem.

Nikki

oh thanks Nikki. 

Quote from: Nero on November 05, 2008, 12:59:13 PM

Quote from: Nichole on November 05, 2008, 12:47:13 PM
It's from the Ramayana, Nero. An Indian epic poem about the life and works of the Vishnu avatar, Rama. It's the world's second longest poem, eclipsed only by the Mahabarata, also an Indian epic poem.

Nikki

oh thanks Nikki. 

No problem. I have all of this trivial knowledge that needs an avenue to escape sometimes!

Nikki

Quote from: CC on November 05, 2008, 12:33:44 PM
Here's a thought. What if ->-bleeped-<- is an evolutionary process for homo sapiens in the early stages? Maybe the start of a future gender neutral society? 

Hehe. And like homo superior in X-Men, we are hated and feared because we are better than them.

Who shall join my Brotherhood of Trans-People?! We are destined to rule! Muahahahahaha!!!

~Simone.
       The Magnetic Woman.

O, yes, another set of uebermenschen seems like a really, really good idea!

Nikki

~S.

Simone, you may be unaware of this, but I have one of those as well!!! 


Nichole