Well, folks, we have done it. We have gone out in force, and elected a man who is from a repressed minority to the office of President. Gone will be the days of abuse of power, warmongering, torture, spying on innocent Americans, useless accusations, and favoring only the top money earners of society. Even Florida has proven that it can get its collective head out of its rear and vote together for the right men. When I think about what could have happened if it went the other way, I can only say "Whew, thank God And Goddess". Now, we can all work together, Trans and non Trans people, to rebuild our beloved America into what it was meant to be, instead of the laughingstock that we had become. The joke is no longer on us, folks.
Unfortunately, even though Florida has shown it is basically non-racist, it has shown this election something ugly. Floridians have voted almost overwhelmingly to change its state Constitution to ban gay marriage. Many of our gay and Lesbian friends are very disappointed. I have no idea what other outcomes will result from this hideous show of hate and intolerance. One group of people surely have forced their lifestyle on another, this time. I am ashamed of us, in this respect.

I'm actually still in awe over just how much the LGBT community was taken back. At this point it looks like every single initiative having to do with limiting gay rights passed...and this on the same night that the nation elects a black president. I would never have thought it would be such a landslide victory for hate and intolerance.

Quote from: SarahR on November 05, 2008, 08:57:18 AM
At this point it looks like every single initiative having to do with limiting gay rights passed...and this on the same night that the nation elects a black president. I would never have thought it would be such a landslide victory for hate and intolerance.

Hey Sarah
I just wanted to point out to people that the initiatives on ballots in several states concerning gay marriage/lgbt issues were requiring a YES vote to pass and that that is what set us back. That was a little confusing about Prop 8, a YES vote meant you were not approving of a same-sex couple getting married.

I agree a double message. I have never planned on the marriage ever passing in my lifetime, so I guess its less of a dissapointment more of a ohh of course. I guess we are ready for a African American President but not LBGT rights. All I can hope is everyones time will come. At some point maybe we will run out of groups to oppress?
Myles

Quote from: MeghanAndrews on November 05, 2008, 12:36:22 PM

Quote from: SarahR on November 05, 2008, 08:57:18 AM
At this point it looks like every single initiative having to do with limiting gay rights passed...and this on the same night that the nation elects a black president. I would never have thought it would be such a landslide victory for hate and intolerance.

Hey Sarah
I just wanted to point out to people that the initiatives on ballots in several states concerning gay marriage/lgbt issues were requiring a YES vote to pass and that that is what set us back. That was a little confusing about Prop 8, a YES vote meant you were not approving of a same-sex couple getting married.

Good point. That could very well have been something that may have affected the outcome, at least in California, where it was closer numbers than in other states. I guess we'll just have to keep fighting and wait until people come around, as they always do eventually.

QuoteI guess we'll just have to keep fighting and wait until people come around, as they always do eventually

Or they die out and become too old to fight.

My reasons for not wanting Obama:

1. McCain has more well defined stronger policies for the US/Mexico border
2. I don't like the idea of universal health insurance.
3. As much as I want the US out of Iraq I'm afraid Obama may try and do it prematurely.
4. McCain has a more well defined strategy for protecting the environment, plus I believe that the Republicans in general have a better history of enacting policies for protecting the environment.
5. McCain wants America to make big advances in space technology, something I would like to see done

QuoteMcCain has a more well defined strategy for protecting the environment

"Drill Drill Drill"

Quote from: nickie on November 05, 2008, 08:35:42 AM
Well, folks, we have done it. We have gone out in force, and elected a man who is from a repressed minority to the office of President. Gone will be the days of abuse of power, warmongering, torture, spying on innocent Americans, useless accusations, and favoring only the top money earners of society. Even Florida has proven that it can get its collective head out of its rear and vote together for the right men. When I think about what could have happened if it went the other way, I can only say "Whew, thank God And Goddess". Now, we can all work together, Trans and non Trans people, to rebuild our beloved America into what it was meant to be, instead of the laughingstock that we had become. The joke is no longer on us, folks.
Unfortunately, even though Florida has shown it is basically non-racist, it has shown this election something ugly. Floridians have voted almost overwhelmingly to change its state Constitution to ban gay marriage. Many of our gay and Lesbian friends are very disappointed. I have no idea what other outcomes will result from this hideous show of hate and intolerance. One group of people surely have forced their lifestyle on another, this time. I am ashamed of us, in this respect.

I have tried to stay quiet.....

But no more.

I live in Texas.   We had no choice in the Republican race during the primaries. 

We the people who chose to be non-sexist and vote for Hillary were squashed.  Note Hillary won the Popular vote ( see http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html ) in the primaries and still lost the nomination to the now President Elect.  Obama with 88,345,458      and  Hillary with 88,901,831


Even though I have conservative roots, Hillary could have swung me out into new waters.  Let's face it, she and McCain are pretty much moderate, McCain perhaps standing a little more to the right.  When you speak of "abuse of power, warmongering, torture, spying on innocent Americans, useless accusations, and favoring only the top money earners of society",  and lay that upon John McCain, you do him a great disservice.

This is a man who was captured during wartime and brutal beaten to the point of broken bones.   And he was offered multiple ways to get out of the beatings like turn over information,  sign a confession of his warcrimes.  Instead he found HONOR by not selling out his military nor the country he loves.  If you could spend a day of what he had to go through, my hats off to you.

You may not like Bush, but do not equate McCain with him.    And if you think the now President Elect will be perfect ... please review the success of the last two democrat Presidents.

Clinton had the Waco incident, Whitewater, and the disgrace of his cohorting brought to the Oval Office, AND the Fannie and Freddie loan issues were put into place under his administration.
Carter while truly a great man, showed how weak we were to the rest of the world via his foreign policy with the Iran hostages.

I stand behind my new President Elect and respect the man holding the office.  Note I respect that he got this far, but any further he has to earn my respect.   In order to do that I need to understand his relationship to Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, Acorn, and his true citizenship as determined in the Berg case.

Be forewarned, I believe the Clinton Presidency will be mild compared to what will come to light in the coming days.

Daisy

McCain supported that President, and those policies.  And I don't think Obama is going to make those kind of mistakes.  He is going to go in more highly organized and more motivated then anyone we've seen since Reagan.

QuoteNote Hillary won the Popular vote

That is counting states Obama was not on the ticket. That is not a fair or accurate statement. It lends a tone to the rest of your statement.

1. McCain has more well defined stronger policies for the US/Mexico border

You mean, supporting immigrant rights. Yeah, that's one thing I liked about him... till he flip-flopped. Don't like Mexicans? Don't like migrants? Go somewhere that doesn't have them (like, I don't know, the moon) -- and the you can be one yourself!

2. I don't like the idea of universal health insurance.

I assume you mean "single payer," not "universal." Or are some people just not good enough for insurance? Anyway, tell it to GM and other major American employers who are getting hit almost as hard by the current health care mess as their employees are.

3. As much as I want the US out of Iraq I'm afraid Obama may try and do it prematurely.

Doubtful. Highly. Obama's not a hothead. And "premature" exactly defines how we got in in the first place.

4. McCain has a more well defined strategy for protecting the environment, plus I believe that the Republicans in general have a better history of enacting policies for protecting the environment.

Jesus, what to they put in the drinking water in Texas? Yeah, that was true -- when Teddy Roosavelt was president!

5. McCain wants America to make big advances in space technology, something I would like to see done

Um... wtf? Maybe he'd have be as helpful as Bush was to NASA -- cutting off funding for hundreds of important science missions for the Moon/Mars boondoggle.

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But who cares. YOU LOSE!!!  WE WIN!!!! U-S-A!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Quote from: lisagurl on November 06, 2008, 04:48:57 PM

QuoteNote Hillary won the Popular vote

That is counting states Obama was not on the ticket. That is not a fair or accurate statement. It lends a tone to the rest of your statement.

That speaks more to the staff of people he counted on....  If I was running for office your can be sure I would have my staff make sure my name was on every ballot.   And who is to say she would not have held her lead ---  And those two states did not have their primary voices heard.  And the people could always write in his name too.



Daisy



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Quote from: Alyssa M. on November 06, 2008, 05:40:15 PM
4. McCain has a more well defined strategy for protecting the environment, plus I believe that the Republicans in general have a better history of enacting policies for protecting the environment.

Jesus, what to they put in the drinking water in Texas? Yeah, that was true -- when Teddy Roosavelt was president!

Annwyn -- you from Texas?  If not, Alyssa if you can not keep your facts straight on a forum....  I am from Texas.

Quote from: Alyssa M. on November 06, 2008, 05:40:15 PM
But who cares. YOU LOSE!!!  WE WIN!!!! U-S-A!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

That is really the spirit of unity....   

Quote from: daisybelle on November 06, 2008, 02:49:04 PM
I stand behind my new President Elect and respect the man holding the office.  Note I respect that he got this far, but any further he has to earn my respect.   In order to do that I need to understand his relationship to Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, Acorn, and his true citizenship as determined in the Berg case.

Note I stated to stand by behind our president elect and respect him....  you want to rub it in...

not nice.....

I hope and pray that his relationship to the above does not disgrace the office he is holding, like the former democrat did. 

Daisy

Those two states were voting early, in direct violation of the rules the Democratic Party had laid out.  Note, there was no legal or electoral rules to follow.  O was going to run in Mich and Florida (god, what is it with Florida?) if, and when, they held a primary that conformed with party rules.

And I ain't going to cry for Hillary.  She is the de facto power forward in the Senate now.  Her close friendship with the Frisco Ladies that Lunch (Boxer, DiFi, and Miss Nancy) and some Chicago props with the Obama people, and is going to be about the biggest money raiser on the hustings, so she's going to have people still to come who are loyal to her - she's a player in her own right now.  And that's not a little something.  In some ways I'd much rather be a very powerful member of the US Senate representing a key player (in this case, New York) than president I think.

The last thing I'd fault is Obama's staff.  They won against all odds I think, and did it in part by running one of the best national campaign I've ever seen, and I've been paying attention since the late sixties.  He won the primary, then the election.  Hard to diss the staff on that one.

Ya know, Daisy, I started a reply to your first post that pointed out some few meager facts to distort your opinions: facts about when American citizens give birth in either this country or another their children are American citizens. In fact, when two illegal immigrants' children are born in this country they (the children) are American citizens. Period.

And the fact that Whitewater was investigated for about 8 years from Ken Starr to Matt Drudge and what was discovered?

And that Rev Wright may have views about whites and our power-structure, but heck, could you blame him? He's not yet been able to fathom the "love" that people who drag men behind their cars around Paris, Texas, obviously have in their hearts for black folk.

And that when Bill Ayers was setting bombs Barack Obama was 4. And that possibly you should query the Annenberg Foundation about the people they appoint to their local boards if you're truly concerned about what a college professor and the President-elect have in common.

But, that just all seemed pointless. You're going to believe what you're gonna believe, maybe even that Hillary could have convinced you to vote for her. Hmmm. I reckon it don't much matter. I doubt your vote would have made Texas blue; and realistically-speaking, which Democrat do you really think could have?

I'm just happy you're not "giving" me your respect for where I've been and where I've come. I think I could do better without it.

Why not just say you may have Obama as a President, but you have no intention of supporting him in any way for five minutes?

Wouldn't that have saved a lot of space? Just askin,' ya know? 

Nichole

That stuff didn't stick because no matter how much Rev. Wright was that 'big angry black guy' who white folk love to find so scary, O was none of that.  Likewise a bomb throwing radical?  In that suit?  Hardly.

I do know, that if you keep appointing people to government who don't think government works, don't think it should work, then sooner or later, it ain't going to work.  O has his job cut out for him, but I think he's up to it.

Moreover, there seems to be a spirit of 'give him a chance' - if even only for self preservation.  We have some big problems, problems that we need a functional government to be part of the solution for, and that can't be ignored anymore.

His first choice is beyond brill as the Brits might say.  Chief of Staff is huge, and I think he got a good guy to do it.  He's picking people who are good, not just people he likes.  Its a good sign.

He may have actually studied FDR and his ways, ya think?

N~

Well FDR is a Harvard guy, and so is Obama, and I thought that's what people at Harvard studied, other people who had gone to Harvard.

They definitely seems to study those who attend with them! *laugh* That was evident in Cambridge last I was there.

Nikki

I know about Harvard from one person I know who went there, and my other friend who went to MIT.  So, its either the best place on earth with the smartest people ever, so some hell hole crawling with preppie yuppie scum.  Not much of an inbetween.