A clown?!! I mean they've had clowns as their public image for years!! What are the crew at Faux News (who might have done themselves lasting damage this cycle with some of the most blatant and untrue (checkably untrue) perorations they have ever managed to put out,) Limberger, ColdHer, Bill Bendit, Mook Savage and of course the MudDobbers and Hanna-Barberas who've been cartoon-imaging themselves toward oblivion as hard as they can go.

To add Sarah at the top of the ticket in 2012 will be rich. That might bring the true landslide I was hoping for this year.

You can't believe how badly I want to see these creeps get what they deserve: total repudiation.

OK, a rant, but one that made sense to me! 

Nichole

Quote from: Nichole on November 06, 2008, 02:29:47 PM
A clown?!! I mean they've had clowns as their public image for years!! What are the crew at Faux News (who might have done themselves lasting damage this cycle with some of the most blatant and untrue (checkably untrue) perorations they have ever managed to put out,) Limberger, ColdHer, Bill Bendit, Mook Savage and of course the MudDobbers and Hanna-Barberas who've been cartoon-imaging themselves toward oblivion as hard as they can go.

To add Sarah at the top of the ticket in 2012 will be rich. That might bring the true landslide I was hoping for this year.

You can't believe how badly I want to see these creeps get what they deserve: total repudiation.

OK, a rant, but one that made sense to me! 

Nichole

prop 4 had nothing to do with child predators. If it passed it would have forced minors to wait 2 days and tell their parents before they were allowed to have an abortion, which is outrageous and a terrible idea.

Who was talking about prop 4?

Yeah, Gracie, I don't think Prop 4 has been discussed at all, well, not until you did.

And the paragraphs you quoted of mine were about Sarah Palin and the Right, not about any Prop at all. Call me puzzled.

Nichole

Quote from: Nichole on November 06, 2008, 11:46:05 PM
Yeah, Gracie, I don't think Prop 4 has been discussed at all, well, not until you did.

And the paragraphs you quoted of mine were about Sarah Palin and the Right, not about any Prop at all. Call me puzzled.

Nichole

Oh, I must of misunderstood. I saw "sarah" and I saw "see these creeps get what they deserve" and thought of all the "yes on prop 4" posters I see around town. My apologies.

Gotta say I'm proud of what I consider my home town, Santa Cruz... 72% voted against prop 8. Awesome. And, though it might ruffle a few feathers, I still say things would be much better if northern california seceded from southern... the north would legalize gay marriage, decriminalize marijuana, and probably lead the country in liberalism.

and probably lead the country in liberalism

Doncha think that the coast of northern Cali does that already, perhaps? If ya start adding the Valley counties up north you may have a problem with that notion though.

Nikki

We only got something like 40 percent against prop 8 in the county where I live.  Wherever I've gone in the past weeks, I've removed my Obama magnet from my car before I'e gone into the store.  I've wanted my car in tact when I come back to it.

But there is a bright ray of sunshine here in the golden state.  You can't ammend the constitution with a proposition.  It is currently being challenged with three law suits and it will fail.  It seems as though you just can't arbitrarily rescind equal rights for a minority group even with a popular mandate.  Whe woulda known?

I don't know what to say about the religious groups who poured so much money down the toilet....

How bout Na na na na na?

Cind

Quote from: Nichole on November 06, 2008, 02:29:47 PM
You can't believe how badly I want to see these creeps get what they deserve: total repudiation.

OK, a rant, but one that made sense to me! 

Nichole

Hi Nichole,

  I'm not so certain that the creeps will be repudiated.  You would think that the big reason to not vote republican is the fact that the religious people are constantly trying to screw with personal rights and that the neocons have instituted such barbarism as torture. However, I saw a count of how people voted in my town and there were only 1,000 votes more for Obama than McCain.
  At work and at the dentist's office, I've heard people whining about how we're going to let al-quaida (sic) run the country and that everybody's money will be taken away and that everyone will lose some kind of rights (I have no idea what rights).

  So, anyway, at first, I was horrified by the high numbers who voted republican. It doesn't make sense here. Pretty much no one cares what anyone else does with their lives, so why vote for a party that kisses up to fundamentalists?
  I finally realized that people just ignore what I consider important. They have their own priorities. I don't understand why they can't value honesty and hard work over a group of leaders that pervert their ideals. But then, I don't understand what is so attractive about rap culture either. 

  My point is that you can't rely on Palin not turning up and dominating news cycles again, or even getting too close to the presidency than most of us would like. If not Palin, it will be someone who is similar.
  Some conservatives want to dump the fundies. I wish them well. It would be nice to have a party of ideas rather than bigotry out there. On the other hand, some of the fundies are claiming that the fiscal conservatives are the ones who will be left behind.

  My head already hurts. I think we haven't seen the last of the whackos until real honest secular (in party spirit, not personal belief) republicans have the guts to kill the damned party of Lincoln and start a new party.

  I just realized that though it is Lincoln who is dead - it is his party that stinks.

Last time I checked the North tried to legalize marriage, which is how all this started, in SF, and you have to try to get busted for pot.  Get a card, and smoke away.

Yes. That's what I mean. I live in a state where same sex marriage is okay. Most people don't care one way or the other. And yet, some people still vote for a party that supports fundamentalism. The fundies want to ruin life for everybody in the country. It confuses me.  The more people who desert the republicons, the sooner they'll clean up their act.

I mean, is party loyalty more important than doing what is right?

we finally got a law that prevents people caught with less than one ounce of pot from being arrested.  But they get fined. 

Some towns are beginning to support medical marijuana.

Now, if only they'd support medical LSD.

Now, if only they'd support medical LSD.

You must be trippin to even think that.

I too am extremely disappointed by the loss, but I take solace in the words from Mahatma Ghandi:

First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.

I think that we're near the "Then you win" part.

-Sandy

Am I the only person who believes in the psychological benefit of LSD?

If it wasn't for that drug, I'd have killed myself 20 times over in my teens.

I used it sparingly. The experience allowed me to clean all the garbage from my psyche. I used to be good for months after taking it.

Maybe I can get some action on this issue if I slip some to lawmakers. 

[just a note*  I don't use street drugs anymore and I really don't recommend the use of them for others.  My doctors give me legal psychotropics and they are working well]

I have, and it would be nice if the Federal restrictions on testing and experimenting with LSD and other psychoactive drugs would be lifted so at least they can be studied.

My final opinion was that I may very well have voted Yes to Prop 8.  It has nothing to do with transsexual rights. CA birtcertificates have been allowed to change years before ''gay-marriage''. There were key social issues in CA ballot that ''liberals'' forgot because of prop 8. Post-op transwoman with female birthcertificate can marry a man in future in California. But civil unions should be enough for same-sex couples. I sign being '' non-Californian'' against proposition 4.

You realize in that wacky world that is the California that "yes' means no, and 'no' means yes?

Quote from: goingdown on November 07, 2008, 09:23:59 AM
My final opinion was that I may very well have voted Yes to Prop 8.  It has nothing to do with transsexual rights. CA birtcertificates have been allowed to change years before ''gay-marriage''. There were key social issues in CA ballot that ''liberals'' forgot because of prop 8. Post-op transwoman with female birthcertificate can marry a man in future in California. But civil unions should be enough for same-sex couples. I sign being '' non-Californian'' against proposition 4.

I suppose it's good you live in another country and couldn't vote on the matter then, GD! But, everyone has an opinion, some I agree with, others not; but everyone's entitled to as many as they wish to have. So far our religious fundies haven't changed THAT!

Rebis,

How well did you know Dr. Tim Leary and  Baba Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert)?

I agree with the idea tekla expressed. And that the research should be conducted by scientists not by the CIA, again.
Nichole

I just checked it seems that we won the battle for prop 4.

I met Dr. Leary twice in my life, once backstage when him and G. Gordan Liddy were doing a 'comedy' show together - if you think politics makes strange bedfellows, its got nothing on entertainment.  Anyway it was the night before the Dead began one of their 3 night runs at the Greek and I had a nice sheet in my pocket, and offered him some.  He declined.

Later I did interview him, he was very sick, but gracious to a grad student trying to write a dissertation, and it was a very interesting afternoon.

Baba Rum Raisin I never met, though I did read some of his stuff.  All hippies were required to I think.