I've read the list of expected changes on T, but don't recall anything about build or bone structure.
Does T have any effect on bone structure or your natural build?
Or are the changes in physique purely fat redistribution?
Also guys have mentioned changes to their face. Are these changes in the facial structure - the bones of the face, or just fat redistribution?

Sorry for all the questions, I just want to know everything I can about this. I definitely don't need any surprises.
Thanks.

Nero

I have wondered the same thing.  I do know that males tend to have thicker cartilidge between bones and transwomen, generally lose height and I imagine the converse is true for transmen.  I also think that the younger you are, the more likely it is to affect bone growth, since your bones may still be growing.

Melissa

Nero, From what I have read your face will square off, which I am looking forward to since alot of people take a narrow face as more female. I don't get that, there are bio men with narrow faces but anyway, and your hands and feet may grow no matter what your age. The best part is lifting weight and being on T bulks you up faster than pre-T . I have lifted since I was a kid off and on, so I have big shoulders, but I want bigger biceps so I started measurements last night, and we will see how fast they get bigger with the presence of T.

                                            Marco

Hi all,

You will not get taller but your feet may grow about a half to a full size more.  Your muscle tone is going to increase, and yes lifting weights regularly will really help out a great deal...but remember what you eat and put in your body still has a major impact!  Health is a HUGE issue for men on T.  Also remember lifting weights is just one form of a workout. Increase your arobics so that your lungs and heart are getting the help that they really do need! Bike, Spinning classes at the gym, tennis with a feedback board or another person, shootin basket ball, etc. Doing these things helps in many ways, and you need to do it about 45 minutes a day! Your heart is effected by the T, so it needs to be cared for!!

My old endocronologist told me back many years ago that the leading cause of death for men on T is the heart giving out. And it is not in old age but mid age. So guys please take care of your heart and lungs! Exercise and make sure to eat right, the body will respond the way you want it to. Muscles are going to grow, but they do you no good if you have no endurance!

Also remember that you also have to consider your genetic background here too.  This varies for everyone but if heart problems are in your family tree, this is even more serious of an issue for you! It is a major issue for all of us, but it is really serious if you are already prone for a heart issue.  I write this not to scare anyone, but to bring your attention to it, so that you can start now to prevent problems that will be overwhelming in the future!

Peace,
Taylor

i was wondering about if my feet would get bigger  so thanx guys i have really small feet .
does t make you lose your hair? (ON YOUR HEAD)

Quote from: jaded on June 23, 2006, 08:38:21 AM
does t make you lose your hair? (ON YOUR HEAD)

Yes, if you have the genes.

Melissa

According to the Dr's at the clinic I work at yes it does.

They broke it down for me in medical terminology but I didn't write it down...(sorry) but basically they stated that HRT for FtM will make the bone (marrow)? draw and retain calcium and restructure ( to some varying extent) your bone structure but results vary person to person and depends on your age, and level of estrogens your body is naturally producing

On a side note: They offered this info to me It doesn't work the opposite way for MtF. He told me why in detailed but I forgot (sorry) if anyone wants the technical breakdown I'll ask again and write it down this time.

Chynna

My feet don't need to be any bigger or I will be wearing the shoebox not the shoe!   

Any other changes I welcome with open arms. 

I know one of the variants I keep hearing is age, is there an age where you might as well hang up seeing noticable differences?   I am not too worried about most things, just the fat redistro and the first impression items such as voice and squaring out of the face some.

Not hugely, Dev. I'm 43 and was 42 when I started T and I get all the effects younger guys get. The exception would be if you're still growing when you start T, then you might gain more height.

So, if male pattern baldness is in your genes, accept the Kojak look. If, like me, your family tends to be light on facial hair, you aren't going to get much either.

Dennis

Hmm, well guess I will be looking at some weird transformations.  I already have about the same height of my dad, he had some hair loss but no other males in my family do.  My dad was not hulking (broad) but the rest of the males in his family, including my cousins are.

Should I look more at how my dad was or my family (on both sides) overall?  A lady this past weekend told me I looked like my grandfather in a photo she saw.  I am not even on T yet, so if I end up looking like him I would be grateful.

Just not sure what to really look at since I would guess my father, but as a whole I take after my mothers side of the family and am the only person who has thick hair so maybe the hair loss with be minimal.

Hi Chynna,

Could you do me a favor and ask for the info again in regard to the males? I know what happens but have to say I have no idea the chemical breakdowns and am going to be doing a future article on health issues for Trans men and could really use this info for some more indepth research...it would really be grately appreciated!!


Thanks,

Taylor


Posted at: June 23, 2006, 02:54:35 PM

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Hey,

Dev

I have been on T for 15 yrs and still notice little changes, I started at the age of 26 and I just turned 42, okay closer to 16 yrs now. But I find that the changes i go through anymore are very hard to assume are anything different than what all men go through.

I am tall like you, and real average build 34 waist, 41 chest, 30 hips, 5'10 and size 9.5 shoe avg weight is around 170-75.

Because I was adopted I know very little about my bio family. I remember at 18 I grew 2 inches out of nowhere, blew my foster mom away! She was going to hem a shirt of mine when I had come home for a visit, that had been in her sewing room for over a year, and it fit perfectly, the sleeves once fell below my fingers and at that time they were right at my wrist! 

Hieght can be the same or different from your father, because really we get our height from various members of our family of orgin.  There are guys that are 6 ft. and their father is like 5'8, but then have a brother or uncle that was taller. It is really hard to tell what to expect in some regards with transitional traits you will find.  But you may want to consider what the hieght of your dad's brothers and uncles and father are, just to have more possiblities to draw from you know?


Dennis,
I read somewhere ( Not sure where) that men on T will bald eventually no matter what the genetics. It is believed by some scientist that once the message is triggered off through the T being present, it does not reverse, but if T is stopped early enough you can slow it down..but not stop it. If you stay on T there is a point where the rate and degree will just do it's thing no matter what. ( I tend to believe this may be the case) I know a lot of Trans men that I have had long time friendships with, and without exception every single one of us are thinning or flat out balding! Just thought worth mentioning.

Peace,

Taylor

Yeah, I know what you mean Dev, all I'm concerned about is the voice and face.
Most other changes I could do without.
Body hair, I'll probably end up waxing off, though I do so lust after a beard.
My father has always worn a full beard, so according to Dennis, this might be possible.
The effect of T that causes me the most pause is the fat redistribution - don't need any help there and hope it stays the same.
I know, got to take the good with the bad.

Nero



Posted at: June 23, 2006, 03:32:02 PM

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Quotethat men on T will bald eventually

Please be wrong about this, Taylor.
Really what is the difference between us and biomen in this area?
Or do we have to take abnormally high levels of T to get results or what?

Thanks man, not only do I have to worry about fat redistribution,now I forsee a future filled with Rogaine and bad toupees.

Nero always concerned with aesthetics

Nero, regardless of how you look, you will always ahve a big heart.  I believe T increases you metabolism, which can help with losing weight.

Melissa

Awww, Melissa, you're so sweet. You lift my spirits everytime.

Nero

Re balding: the difference with us vs bio men is that balding is apparently carried on the x chromosome. So bio men, being xy have a chance of being bald if it's on their mother's side - because they can only get a y from dad, and an x from mum. We have xx, so we can get balding from either side. That's why you're more likely to go bald as an ftm than bio guys, but it still has to be in your genes.

I still think it's unlikely for me, given genetics on both sides. Unfortunately, I also think significant facial hair is unlikely, given genetics on both sides.

Dennis

Thanks Dennis, that's what I needed to know. Not that it makes a difference, I still need T if I'm ever to pass. My voice is a dead giveaway.
My dad's in his 50s and just now getting a receding hairline, so I think we're okay there.
A receding hairline I can deal with.
I never knew my grandparents on my mother's side, so who do I look at? Her brothers? Would they be the closest indicator?

Nero

Quote from: taylor on June 23, 2006, 03:21:33 PM
Hi Chynna,

Could you do me a favor and ask for the info again in regard to the males? I know what happens but have to say I have no idea the chemical breakdowns and am going to be doing a future article on health issues for Trans men and could really use this info for some more indepth research...it would really be grately appreciated!!


Thanks,

Taylor

Consider it done as soon as I get back to PA (when to Rochester, NY on business) when do you need info by taylor??
Or you can just PM me Whatevers easiest...

Chynna