Hmmm...

I won't make the mistake of playing into this trap but, didn't it sound like they were being interviewed by
Steve Carell?

Quote from: Kristen on November 18, 2008, 11:17:41 PM
Hmmm...

I won't make the mistake of playing into this trap but, didn't it sound like they were being interviewed by
Steve Carell?

Oh my.

I'm sure it would have been the same if they had interviewed McCain supporters. Most voters aren't really informed no matter if they're democrat, republican or otherwise. I'm not surprised.

Quote from: SarahR on November 18, 2008, 11:34:04 PM
I'm sure it would have been the same if they had interviewed McCain supporters. Most voters aren't really informed no matter if they're democrat, republican or otherwise. I'm not surprised.

Yuppers.

Then again, that's a redeemable quality for republican supporters.  The whole, blind faith thing seems to get them a lot of ground and respect.

Quote from: Annwyn on November 18, 2008, 11:39:15 PM

Quote from: SarahR on November 18, 2008, 11:34:04 PM
I'm sure it would have been the same if they had interviewed McCain supporters. Most voters aren't really informed no matter if they're democrat, republican or otherwise. I'm not surprised.

Yuppers.

Then again, that's a redeemable quality for republican supporters.  The whole, blind faith thing seems to get them a lot of ground and respect.

Haha, and they seem to be heading more and more down that road with each passing day.

Quote from: SarahR on November 18, 2008, 11:41:24 PM

Haha, and they seem to be heading more and more down that road with each passing day.

Both parties actually.  At least republicans admit to conservative religion being one of their primary influences in decision making.  They invest blind faith in those who represent their faith, not just anyone who CNN supports.

Hmm interesting. I suppose ignorance and bias actually worked for the good guys this time.

On a completely separate note: WAKE UP AMERICA, LEARN AND TAKE AN INTEREST!! Geez I live on the other side of the planet and I knew the answer to most of those questions.

The same type of ignorance in the video could easily allow Sarah Palin to win in 2012, and if you don't like her the Republicans could dig up George W's brother Jeb. Yes Jeb Bush, a nasty piece of work who was governor of Florida during the 2000 election debacle. It wasn't just the hanging chads and the pregnant chads that were the problem, Blacks and Latinos were being turned away from the polling stations, they were told they weren't allowed to vote.

Any one see "An Inconvenient Truth"? That guy, Al Gore, could have been president for the last eight years, just imagine it!!

I know I'm a foreigner and you'll think it's none of my business but when Palin or one of the Bushes become president you're not just screwing up your own country, your screwing up the whole word - the USA is that powerful.

Sorry about the rant but you can't take an Obama win in 2012 for granted - please be informed and inform others.

Another statement of the incompetence of voters:

http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3

Posted on: November 19, 2008, 12:35:49 pm

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Quote from: Goldy on November 19, 2008, 10:11:22 AM
Sorry about the rant but you can't take an Obama win in 2012 for granted

Already planning for his re-election and he has'not even stepped into office yet.  Speaking of blind faith.....

Daisy

Very good point dailybelle, there are betting agencies that won't pay out on him becoming president until he's sworn in at noon January 20.

I'll amend my remark to, "... you can't take an Obama/Biden/Pelosi/Clinton win in 2012 for granted."

But hopfully the unthinkable won't happen.

Of course it could just be - all other factors being even, which of course they were not - that Obama and his people ran one of the best and most disciplined campaigns anyone has ever seen, while the Repubs ran a campaign so horrible that its almost hard to imagine that anyone ever did it before or got paid for it.

Ignorance of the American voter and ignorance in many of their elected reps isn't at all unusual or even news. I did find the fifty-seven states thing being associated with Palin certainly indicated that Sarah made an impression.

The truth of the matter would be that anyone who gets elected in the USA gets elected with about as little knowledge of the electorate as those folks showed. The excitement rises for the three weeks prior to an election and then the mass sink right back into entertainment.

I mean, just look at the context of that video posted on YouTube. It's posted with a lot of vids that seem to believe that Megyn Kelly is a political sharpie because she has nice breasts and a pretty face and can overtalk someone who is never on television.

I'd say ignorance and political know-nothingism is still very much alive and well in USA.

Nichole

Quote from: Emme on November 20, 2008, 07:07:27 AM
P.S. Sarah Palin scares the bejeezus out of me.

And Obama scares the blank out of many Americans too.  On more than one occasion he has slipped up in her comments like "57 seven states", and "my Muslim faith".   


And to remove the onslaught of remarks, I understand campaigning is tough.   So is the presidency, and I hope he does not slip in some way that endangers or besmirches the Great country this is, or the office he is going to be in.

I pray this country will be able to move forward.

Daisy

I hope he does not slip in some way that endangers or besmirches the Great country this is, or the office he is going to be in.

Well if he talks in complete sentences and does not get hummmers from his interns then he's already way ahead of the last two.  It's not exactly like the bar has been  set all that high.

Quote from: tekla on November 21, 2008, 11:28:08 AMWell if he talks in complete sentences and does not get hummmers from his interns then he's already way ahead of the last two.  It's not exactly like the bar has been  set all that high.

How Obama Won: He campaigned better than any of his rivals. He embraced new technologies, reached out to individuals and minority groups, and in so doing made it not only his campaign but their campaign as well. By focussing on small donations from the public he created the idea that he was different, that he was not a "bought man", in the same way that other politicians are. He put his ideas across eloquently and forcefully, and he didn't let the opposition get to him, no matter how hard they tried.

It remains to be seen if he will deliver what he promised, but he won cause he played the game brilliantly.

~Simone.

Yeah, winning the election is going to prove to be the easy part of this.

Quote from: lady amarant on November 21, 2008, 12:06:08 PM
... he won cause he played the game brilliantly.

Surely not, Simone! O, hush, you!!

Why, according to this video and the push-poll it's abstracted from and tied to that was done by Zogby and paid for by the Repugnant-cons he won because his supporters don't have the answers to a number of questions probably almost no one who's responded to date on this thread would have been able to answer "correctly" prior to viewing the vid.
 
But, the ones on tape are the ones considered "ill-informed."

O, ya mean the undermining has already begun while Dubya still has 2 months left in office?

Yeah, when the Repugnant-cons over here state they "want to give him time to show us what he can do" they mean to say. "OK, time's up, now we're gonna start running all over again." 

Their usual idea of "a chance" is that if the child wasn't supporting Repug causes by the time they were 12, then they have missed their "chance." 

Nichole

I find your use of "Repugnant" highly suspect.   Maybe we should attach "baby-killers" as the Democrat. 

Also the same person who paid for this poll, mentioned above, to be performed by a reputable poll organization wants to pay to have the same poll done for McCain supporters, but Zogby has refused..... Why?   Afraid the poll would show more informed voting from the right versus the left....

And then this citizenship issue is not going to die:

QuoteSupremes to review citizenship arguments
Case challenging candidacy set for 'conference' of justices
Posted: November 20, 2008  1:10 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh  --  © 2008 WorldNetDaily

A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a "conference" at the U.S. Supreme Court.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484

You have used the words the prior "elections were stolen", well it is is proved the dem's may actually have successfully defrauded the American electorate.  And do not worry.... if Obama is not president, It will just be handed to Biden.   So the dem's still win......  but just by damaging the electoral process.

And for me the scariest part of this is :
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122714181668742739.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Hmm : "Businesses that didn't cover their employees would pay a tax on some portion of their payroll."  Gee that sounds like the price for minimum wage just got higher..... wonder how that will impact our wallet



Daisy

Not that the Weekly World News, or WorldNetDaily (I get them confused, I imagine most people would) are exactly your bona fide prime news source, but I bet the Supremes find nothing.  Overturning an election is not in their pay grade as they say (unless it's Bush), and formenting civil rebelion is not their style.  They would need a huge amount of evidence, and its not there.  I just don't think that all those millions would have been put into the Obama race without that being vetted.

It's easy on the minimum wage deal, its going to affect your pocktetbook by a few cents per transaction so that people who work at least are not in total poverty.  Seem's fair.  SF has the highest minimum wage in the nation, and mandated health care coverage, somehow business muddled on.

Quote from: daisybelle on November 20, 2008, 10:30:27 AM

Quote from: Emme on November 20, 2008, 07:07:27 AM
P.S. Sarah Palin scares the bejeezus out of me.

And Obama scares the blank out of many Americans too.  On more than one occasion he has slipped up in her comments like "57 seven states", and "my Muslim faith".   


And to remove the onslaught of remarks, I understand campaigning is tough.   So is the presidency, and I hope he does not slip in some way that endangers or besmirches the Great country this is, or the office he is going to be in.

I pray this country will be able to move forward.

Daisy

What really scares me is that why, in the land where the trappings of the past would be left behind and people have rights, "a lot of americans" are afraid of Obama being a Muslim. He is not, but what if he was? It's not a crime, you know. Is a Red Scare-type scenario what "a lot of americans" honestly want or think is wise? Saying suicide bombers and Al Qaeda equal Islam is like saying Torquemada equals Christianity. Or Pat Robertson for that matter. Or being American equals Joseph McCarthy, Richard Nixon and the toppling of foreign governments.
By the way, I could also find a scenario where I could say "my Muslim faith" without being a Muslim. Like: "Commenting on my Muslim faith is a pointless exercise since I profess no love for churches whatsoever"
Why don't we educate our children to think critically instead of teaching them to fear and point the finger?