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How Obama Won

Started by Annwyn, November 18, 2008, 10:34:48 PM

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lisagurl

QuoteBob Unruh

LOL  ::)   If that is your evidence you should look up his credentials.
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daisybelle

Quote from: soldierjane on November 24, 2008, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: daisybelle on November 20, 2008, 10:30:27 AM
and "my Muslim faith".   

What really scares me is that why, in the land where the trappings of the past would be left behind and people have rights, "a lot of americans" are afraid of Obama being a Muslim. He is not, but what if he was? It's not a crime, you know.

It is the truth , no more no less.  If it is the truth, why not be proud of who you are.  Instead it does a disservice to himself and his faith.   



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daisybelle

Quote from: lisagurl on November 24, 2008, 12:06:32 PM
QuoteBob Unruh

LOL  ::)   If that is your evidence you should look up his credentials.

Are you questioning whether or not the Supreme Court will discuss this?

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soldierjane

Quote from: daisybelle on November 24, 2008, 01:20:35 PM
Quote from: soldierjane on November 24, 2008, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: daisybelle on November 20, 2008, 10:30:27 AM
and "my Muslim faith".   

What really scares me is that why, in the land where the trappings of the past would be left behind and people have rights, "a lot of americans" are afraid of Obama being a Muslim. He is not, but what if he was? It's not a crime, you know.

It is the truth , no more no less.  If it is the truth, why not be proud of who you are.  Instead it does a disservice to himself and his faith.

Um.. he has attended a Christian church for years. What do you base this assertion on? Where's the record?
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lisagurl

Quote from: daisybelle on November 24, 2008, 01:26:34 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on November 24, 2008, 12:06:32 PM
QuoteBob Unruh

LOL  ::)   If that is your evidence you should look up his credentials.

Are you questioning whether or not the Supreme Court will discuss this?

He has a legal Hawaiian birth certificate. Members of the court are free to talk about any subject in their leisure. I would suppose if someone made a formal complaint they would read it. That does not begin to suppose any wrong doing, just a nut making a complaint.
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daisybelle

Quote from: lisagurl on November 24, 2008, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: daisybelle on November 24, 2008, 01:26:34 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on November 24, 2008, 12:06:32 PM
QuoteBob Unruh

LOL  ::)   If that is your evidence you should look up his credentials.

Are you questioning whether or not the Supreme Court will discuss this?

He has a legal Hawaiian birth certificate. Members of the court are free to talk about any subject in their leisure. I would suppose if someone made a formal complaint they would read it. That does not begin to suppose any wrong doing, just a nut making a complaint.

Guess Al Gore was the nut in 2000 and Philip Berg is a nut who just happens to be a Democrat.

Before you call anyone a nut.   Find out all the facts.    There are several arguments Berg has put forth that have the potential to disqualify Obama from office.   I do not know how you would feel , but I am sure this would upset you.   And Biden would then get a walkon as the President for the next four years.....   if that happens I believe the uproar will be outrageous.   Maybe the Dems would have been better to consider Hillary then.

Just a thought..... 

And finally if all this is debunked --- then the Dems lose nothing, and you can say I told you so.   However if they are found to be true of defrauding the electorate  --- I sincerely pray for this land.  Being a rational person I truly do not want Anarchy....

Daisy
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tekla

We have already seen an electorate defrauded.  What happened?  Nothing.  Zip.  Zero, zilch, nada.  So I wouldn't hold my breath.  The court 'heard' the arguments, but it takes more votes then they got to get it to a cert, so it's not going to be heard.

Of course, coming from the Republicans, after the last 8 years, you best be sure that the rest of us are laughing our ass off over your sudden discovery of the Constitution.  Gee whiz, finally found a sentence in there you like and don't want to just ignore must be the one part Bush et. all. still left in there, pretty much did away with the rest of it.

Where were you when Bush picked Cheney, while both listed their residence as Texas, in violation of said Constitution?  How about when they suspended Habus Corpus (a right going back to like, oh, Runnymede on 15 June, 1215, that Magna Carta deal, 'member?).  Or doing away with the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments pretty much on a whim?  Or thinking they were either A) the ONLY branch of government that mattered or, B) a branch of government not exactly covered in the Constitution and hence, not subject to any laws?  (Both positions were advocated at one time or another).  Or wholesale violation of the Hatch Act, or overturning (without a law in place) the Posse Comitatus Act.

So, none of that bothered you, but now, this guy needs a birth record that you approve of?  Something beyond what the Secretary of State for Hawaii has already said is valid?
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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whatsername

I'm surprised anyone is still taking some of this stuff seriously, it's been thoroughly debunked, and I see no reason to believe John McCain wouldn't have used anything with a smidge of truth behind it against Obama during the election.  He certainly spread around plenty of other questionable "facts" about him during that time.
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tekla

There is way, way way too much power and money at stake for anyone not to take it seriously. 
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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whatsername

Despite all evidence to the contrary?
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tekla

The more evidence you have, the greater the proof of an even bigger conspiracy.  It's just that easy.  Because not only would McCain have used it, but I really doubt that all the people who gave huge money to get him elected didn't check that out first.  No way.
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NicholeW.

Quote from: daisybelle on November 24, 2008, 10:31:25 AM
I find your use of "Repugnant" highly suspect.   Maybe we should attach "baby-killers" as the Democrat. 

Also the same person who paid for this poll, mentioned above, to be performed by a reputable poll organization wants to pay to have the same poll done for McCain supporters, but Zogby has refused..... Why?   Afraid the poll would show more informed voting from the right versus the left....

And then this citizenship issue is not going to die:

QuoteSupremes to review citizenship arguments
Case challenging candidacy set for 'conference' of justices
Posted: November 20, 2008  1:10 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh  --  © 2008 WorldNetDaily

A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a "conference" at the U.S. Supreme Court.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484

You have used the words the prior "elections were stolen", well it is is proved the dem's may actually have successfully defrauded the American electorate.  And do not worry.... if Obama is not president, It will just be handed to Biden.   So the dem's still win......  but just by damaging the electoral process.

And for me the scariest part of this is :
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122714181668742739.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Hmm : "Businesses that didn't cover their employees would pay a tax on some portion of their payroll."  Gee that sounds like the price for minimum wage just got higher..... wonder how that will impact our wallet



Daisy


It seems to me that "Repugnant" pretty well sums up the party in question. As for why the Zogby folk wouldn't do the same thing with McCain supporters? Well, since the Zogs are rightists, then I imagine they refused because they knew what they'd find: that right-wingers are just as vacuous as the people in the vid.

The bs over the Obama BC is simply that. And, truth to tell, the right is going to try to manage to find any and everything to distract the new administration.

Watch, "investigations" into all sorts of lame items just to try and get something to stcik in what passes for their supporters' minds. -- Bob Unruh as a source? -- why not use GOD as a source, or St. Paul?

Perhaps some truth wouldn't be amiss here, Daisy.

You're upset Obama was elected. You have no intention of ever supporting him no matter the circumstances and the people you cite are exactly the same.

Political opinions are simply that, opinions. So, if the Repugs wanna have a S. Carolinian, Katon Dawson, as Chair-person, then more power to them. The "southern strategy" gets weaker and weaker. Another election cycle will prolly see Georgia join the blue-states and some of the western states -- Arizona, Montana -- join those states as well. Keep this up and "Republic of Texas" is going to be all alone.

Avtually, that doesn't sound all that bad to me.

The only current "hope" is to make some attempt to declare Obama a "Muslim" -- although why not simply have the Clintons or Biden declared "Muslim" as well? Maybe we could have Noam Chomsky admit he's a Muslim and Geithner and Rubin could be declared such themselves. Besides, what does it matter? I somehow, though, don't think his Christian background is just gonna up and be changed to make him a Muslim. Not at his age especially.

If any of this were based on any shred of evidence you and I both know there would already be huge investigations on-going. Instead there's smoke and no perceived fire at all.

As for the guy in PA being a "democrat." You've no idea, do you? In PA affiliation can be changed or made by a declaration of the person registering to vote. You are able with nothing more than a form at the registrar's office to make yourself Repug, Democrat or Independent at will.

Hon, the horse you're flogging has already died. If even Drudge and O'Reilly and Limp-bow haven't decided to flog it it's d-e-a-d. Best find another to ride. As always, everyone has a choice.

O, something may eventually churn-up from the bottom and Obama will have to answer about it; but his birth and citizenship, his religious affiliation, and the Bill Ayers stuff are dead. Period.

Nichole
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soldierjane

Quote from: daisybelle link=topic=49439.msg310590#msg310590
However if they are found to be true of defrauding the electorate  --- I sincerely pray for this land.  Being a rational person I truly do not want Anarchy....

Um... lol? Anarchy? In the U.S. of A.? I mean, even if such an off-the-wall conspiracy were true, does it affect that the man has good ideas and great leadership qualities at all? You know, ad hominem attacks are usually the last resort of lousy debaters. Why don't you mount a defense of conservative policies, for example, something we can actually discuss and not shadowy conspiracy theories?
Sorry if this seems a bit confrontational but this kind of silliness exasperates me.
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tekla

In its own, very unique, and (just ask anyone else in the world this, they will agree) very weird way I think the USA is about the last place to ever suffer anarchy.  Order and system in the US are really more of a ground up, rather than a top down deal, so it gets preserved so long as they are groups.
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lady amarant

Hey. Everybody stop dissing anarchy. Anarchy is a good thing which the US was at one point quite close to ( bottom-up egalitarian organisation et al ;D ).

What we want to avoid is chaos. ;)

~Simone,
     Friendly neighbourhood anarchist.
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tekla

"You say 'anarchy' like it's a bad thing"

All I hear is Johnny Rotten screaming "I am an anarchist!" over and over.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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lady amarant

Quote from: tekla on November 28, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
"You say 'anarchy' like it's a bad thing"

All I hear is Johnny Rotten screaming "I am an anarchist!" over and over.

Johnny Rotten was a rotten anarchist.  :eusa_doh:

~Simone,
      All the comedic skill of a bus.
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NicholeW.

Quote from: lady amarant on November 28, 2008, 11:45:39 AM
Quote from: tekla on November 28, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
"You say 'anarchy' like it's a bad thing"

All I hear is Johnny Rotten screaming "I am an anarchist!" over and over.

Johnny Rotten was a rotten anarchist.  :eusa_doh:

~Simone,
      All the comedic skill of a bus.

Huh? There are degrees of skill as an anarchist? Doesn't that more or less mean there's "archy" in anarchism? *puzzling*

Nikki :)
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postoplesbian

Plain and simple Obama won because we won we the people got involved from the beginning and we never gave up. We worked hard and traveled to as many states as we could and we gave every penny we had like there was no tomorrow.

I am Barack Obama
you are Barck Obama
we are Barack Obama
be like Barack Obama

working for Obama since feb 11th 2007 10 to 12 hours a day

hugs D





And we are still working to make changes because we care so now the real question is to ask yourself what are you doing to make the change you want to see ??
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lady amarant

Quote from: Nichole on November 28, 2008, 11:50:38 AM
Quote from: lady amarant on November 28, 2008, 11:45:39 AM
Quote from: tekla on November 28, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
"You say 'anarchy' like it's a bad thing"

All I hear is Johnny Rotten screaming "I am an anarchist!" over and over.

Johnny Rotten was a rotten anarchist.  :eusa_doh:

~Simone,
      All the comedic skill of a bus.

Huh? There are degrees of skill as an anarchist? Doesn't that more or less mean there's "archy" in anarchism? *puzzling*

Nikki :)

Giggle. Anarchism is not just about dismantling hierarchy, it's about establishing functional systems of direct self-government. Punk was angry and political and stuff, and raised valid issues, but unless anarchism offers alternatives, it's really quite useless. ;)

Besides, anarchism isn't against specialisation, just against government structures that concentrate power in the hands of a minority.

~Simone.
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