After six months on HRT and intense electrolsis, my thin boned 5'' 7'' body is very passable. My body is changing shape although my breast growth is slow. Mentally all my maleness is gone. I told the HR woman at work that I will be changing my name and taking early retirement; she said she suspected what was happening and was very understanding. I have never been attracted to men; only GGs and preop TSs although I thououghly enjoy the passive female role with my partner, a functional preop TS. Anyway the other day, after a visit to my salon; hair, french manacure, pedicure and shaped eyebrows, I headed to the mall. The cosmetics counter woman asked if I would like a makeover as I walked by and 30 minitues later I looked and felt wonderful. As my female voice is working nicely I was ma'am to her and she never suspected. I had on a pair of designer jeans and a halter top and was thinking as I was walking how complete I will feel when I replace my male parts with the proper vagina. Suddenly a very fit attractive male smiled at me a he was walking by. For the next hour all I could think about was making love to him. I still am attracted to females but I can't get him out of my mind. Has this happened to anyone else? It is very confusing.


Pam

Changes in sexual orientation has been noted by many people here, but it is certainly not the rule. Some of this can be attributed to hormones, some of it to you just allowing yourself to be yourself finally.

Also, many women (though many will deny it) have a very fluid sexual orientation and many straight women claim that they do not find men actually attractive, but they enjoy how the men make them feel, and while rare, even those on occasion go all gooey over a guy.

Is it strange, yes, but at least it is not really an issue.

Either way, imagine the possibilities.

Quote from: Leslie Ann on November 25, 2008, 04:21:01 PM
Many straight women claim that they do not find men actually attractive, but they enjoy how the men make them feel...

Hmm, that's very interesting. I don't ever think that I could find a man attractive, but I could see how it could make me feel... more what? Do I have to hand in my lesbian feminist membership card if I pursue this thought?

I have been sort of 'bouncing around' too lately. I have always liked guys, and as an MtF I consider myself strait. Lately, tho, I have been liking the look of some girls, and I have had relationships with girls in the past. I think that I could go either way in the right situation, but I like to think of myself more as bicurious or just curious on some days. I don't know, just wait things out and see what happens.

Chrissi

Didn't Kinsey discover that very few people are exclusively hetero- or homosexual? So is it that surprising that your orientation might change with a major life-changing event like HRT or transitioning?

Or rather, appear to change?

Particularly since -- practically by definition! -- TS folks have questions about their sexual identity.

Quote from: MarySue on November 26, 2008, 02:15:49 PM
Didn't Kinsey discover that very few people are exclusively hetero- or homosexual? So is it that surprising that your orientation might change with a major life-changing event like HRT or transitioning?

Or rather, appear to change?

Particularly since -- practically by definition! -- TS folks have questions about their sexual identity.

Indeed. It's practically impossible to be TS and not start with a jumbled sexuality.

I am, at this pre-transition point, attracted to genetic women, trans women and the occassional trans man... however, I could easily see myself ending up where Pamshaw is at, even though right now I find "guys" pretty unappealing and vaugely threatening.

Quote from: mtfbuckeye on November 26, 2008, 02:28:09 PM
though right now I find "guys" pretty unappealing and vaguely threatening.

LOL, you sound like a straight woman already! 

Lia

Quote from: MarySue on November 26, 2008, 02:15:49 PM
Didn't Kinsey discover that very few people are exclusively hetero- or homosexual? So is it that surprising that your orientation might change with a major life-changing event like HRT or transitioning?

Or rather, appear to change?

Particularly since -- practically by definition! -- TS folks have questions about their sexual identity.

Later studies or that study (not sure) have indicated men are one or the other, and that most bi-males are are confused or lying about their orientation. Only the women were fluid and able to go either way.

Considering what causes homosexuality, and what is the most common theory of TS, it makes sense that many of us are unsure.

Quote from: Leslie Ann on November 26, 2008, 04:15:30 PM
Considering what causes homosexuality, and what is the most common theory of TS, it makes sense that many of us are unsure.

Could you elaborate? I thought no one knows what causes homosexuality or TS.

I'm not criticizing; I'd like to learn more!

Quote from: MarySue on November 27, 2008, 12:14:08 AMCould you elaborate? I thought no one knows what causes homosexuality or TS.

There's actually a lot of mounting evidence pointing at biological origins for transsexuality. Here are just a few:

http://www.infocirc.org/rollston.htm
http://www.symposion.com/ijt/ijtc0106.htm
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034
http://www.tgcrossroads.org/news/?aid=770
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14424-transsexuality-gene-boosts-male-hormones.html

Homosexuality has been shown very strongly to be at least partially biological in origin. I don't have studies at my fingertips like I do for trans research, but I frequent religioustolerance.org, and they have a good section on homosexuality and its causes:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus.htm

especially look at this one:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus7.htm

about halfway down where they talk about brain imaging comparisons.

Anyways, hope that helps. There are plenty of studies coming out now around gender identity and brain structure - a whole slew of them in the last six months or so. Googling a bit turns up lots, or if you can't find them, PM me.

~Simone.

Thanks Simone.

You said yu dreamt of making love to him, so my expereince was not quite the same. But I WAS confused that I had started noticing guys a bit, and if a nice one were sweet to me, I would be thinking about THAT for a while after.

I mentioned this to a Lesbian friend, how I was seeing men differently, and she cleared things right up for me. (and I apologize in advance, it's a little vulgar, but still bears repeating) She said, it's fine you find certain men charming, cute, blah blah, but do you want to go down on one? And my answer is and has always been, um, thank you but no. So much for confusion about men.

I still love to be appreciated by a man or seen as and treated like a lady by one--it strokes my ego-- but basically, I'm back to the opinion that men make good doorstoppers. (except the ones here! Not you, not YOU!  )

Maybe I can draw a little for instance.

When I was 15 I worked at a local Taco Bell fast food restaurant and due to some traumatic events the year before I had put my GID so far into the closet that I had even convinced myself that I no longer had it. I was exclusively attracted to girls, the very thought of any homosexual activity made me nauseous.

One older male coworker in particular befriended me and we started to hang out. On day after work he invited me to his home and I went along. Now this guy was not unattractive and never had any trouble picking up women. We got to his house and basically just started talking about women and sex and such we he just blatantly made a comment about wanting to double team a woman with another guy. Then he ask me if I would like to watch a porno with him. When he got up to put the movie on I could tell he was quite aroused. He then started talking about wanting to masturbate with me.

I was disgusted and even a little afraid. I immediately left and never interacted with that person again.

Now Ironically, later that same year we had a regular customer start coming in for lunch. He was also an older guy and while the thought of sexual interaction with another guy was still repulsive, I found myself becoming attracted to this one. It got to the point where I even started imagining myself with him.

This was prior to any HRT and while its true that I was in denial about my sexual orientation (i'm bi) I was and still am predominantly attracted to women.

Long story short, I can find a man attractive but I have no ambition to pursue him. I am loyal to my wife and even if we were to separate I seriously doubt that I would seek out a male companion.

I heard comment once about interacting with a same sex partner:

"Their fun to play with long enough to get the job done, then I want them to go away."         

Quote from: Ellieka on November 27, 2008, 07:04:04 AMNow Ironically, later that same year we had a regular customer start coming in for lunch. He was also an older guy and while the thought of sexual interaction with another guy was still repulsive, I found myself becoming attracted to this one. It got to the point where I even started imagining myself with him.     

It's not about hormones, it's about self-acceptance.  And judging by the highlighted part of this quote you still have a ways to go.  You are not a "guy" and never were one.

Quote from: Beyond on November 27, 2008, 02:27:07 PM

Quote from: Ellieka on November 27, 2008, 07:04:04 AMNow Ironically, later that same year we had a regular customer start coming in for lunch. He was also an older guy and while the thought of sexual interaction with another guy was still repulsive, I found myself becoming attracted to this one. It got to the point where I even started imagining myself with him.     

It's not about hormones, it's about self-acceptance.  And judging by the highlighted part of this quote you still have a ways to go.  You are not a "guy" and never were one.

thus the rest of my post...

Quote from: Ellieka on November 27, 2008, 07:04:04 AM

This was prior to any HRT and while its true that I was in denial about my sexual orientation (i'm bi) I was and still am predominantly attracted to women.

Long story short, I can find a man attractive but I have no ambition to pursue him. I am loyal to my wife and even if we were to separate I seriously doubt that I would seek out a male companion.
        

this comment about "with another guy" was how I felt at age 15.
I fully accept and admit to being bisexual now.

stating that I never was a male is only reiterating the obvious.

http://www.infocirc.org/rollston.htm

I have read that story during my early transitioning 9 years ago. It is sad and tragic but at least with a good ending. I beleive that this story at least proves that gender identity is hard wired in our minds. A child can not be conditioned taught or brainwashed into being what they instinctively don't beleive themselves to be. This kid knew instinctively he was not the girl he was brought up to think he was, yet he had no other reason not to believe so.

I would say that this is quite the reverse and contrary to what Mr Zucker has been atempting to do brainwash these trans kids to think, or teach, believe that they are the gender that the physical body represents. 

Cindy 

Quote from: Ellieka on November 27, 2008, 02:34:50 PMThis was prior to any HRT and while its true that I was in denial about my sexual orientation (i'm bi) I was and still am predominantly attracted to women.

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this comment about "with another guy" was how I felt at age 15.
I fully accept and admit to being bisexual now.

my bad.  That's what I get for sticking my nose in.  My apologies.

lol no worries. I made a post once recommending a member be banned simply because I misread her post.

Quote from: Stealthgrrl on November 27, 2008, 05:41:48 AM
She said, it's fine you find certain men charming, cute, blah blah, but do you want to go down on one?

Erm, I'm not too keen on the idea of going down on a man or a woman.  Does that make me asexual?