Maybe we should all just take a deep breath, here?

Come-on guys, chill out. No need to start trading insults here.

Aelita_Lynn, you seem to have been out debated and Vexing you should know better, you have had your fun stirring the pot. Perhaps it is time to walk away both of you.

Earlier on I would have admitted to being out debated (It was close but I stayed on my toes) but I am not going to to admit being out debated with a post that is nothing more than an insult! I was having fun until she decided to attack me out of the blue. I thought she was an nice person and that we were having a friendly debate. I am totally disgusted.

I didn't read enough to see that things were getting overheated.  However, if anyone begins to feel bad, or attacked, please take a moment before making a response.

I always ask the person with whom I'm having a discussion if they meant what they said in the way that I took it.

Ideas aren't worth fighting about.

Nikki's right. Everybody was debating nicely. Let's not start attacking each other. I think at this point, it's probably better to agree to disagree.
Good debates are fun and useful; let's just remember to not get personal, ladies.

Quote from: Aelita_Lynn on December 14, 2008, 08:59:16 PM
That is not a cop-out!!!  I am really insulted by that!

If you are insulted, then don't end a debate by calling on subjective reality.
As soon as you do that, you invalidate your arguments and the arguments of everyone else in the debate.
It's like the kid who owns the Playstation saying to the other kids "I'm turning it off now" just because they don't like losing at Tekken. It ruins things for everyone.

Do you understand why people don't talk about subjective reality? It puts you in a position where facts become irrelevant. Therefore the debate becomes irrelevant - because you are now in a position to refute everything because you can claim that nothing is actually real.

Uh.  I actually believe that nothing IS real. Though that is grammatically wrong, I think.

Seriously. There is not a thing that is real.  Ideas are not real. Matter is not real. 

Though I understand what you are saying.

The AC has been turned on here. Topic locked until it's 30 degrees in here.