Hi Audry, well don't forget your cyber mom huh. You always welcome to PM Email or call anytime you want

As for the last part of Candygirl wrote in her post, boy, I'm sure glad my dad wasn't like that and I fell quite short the man thing if that's what it takes to be a man? I drank beer, and told jokes in bars and even got on stage with the with a mike and put on a few good acts and jokes on Kariokie nights, Disco dancing, Rock dancing, heck not all that long ago either. I can still dance to a pretty good Rock song, hair flip and all.

Had me a real honest to goodness Hot Rod and dune buggies, some pretty mean snow machines, but heck, I had some girlfriends out there on the snow and ice as well, including my foster daughter. That was the manest stuff I did during those man days. "Hee, hee."

I wish everyone would stop PMS'ing too, with Christmas and all being so close and all, then consider some of the girls here and out there that will be without family over the holiday.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

Don't forget, mommy Cindy will be around.

You missed the point of the last statement...My dad was never like that. I was alluding to the possibility, that if your Dad or Mom, are hard cored, closed minded, " Rednecks" ( I hate that word ) you might just have a little trouble convincing them about your TS desires.  It was also an attempt at a joke....Jeeesh.

The porno reference is because I know of a TS would did this...she was trying to show her folks that transgendered MtF's are real.
It caused a huge brouhaha in her family...wrong choice of information. Porno ->-bleeped-<-'s are not the common denominator or acceptable representatives of us as a whole.

I have to admit showing them ->-bleeped-<- porno does rather resemble sticking knives in one's own eyes as a means of showing the "realness" of TS to loved ones, or even not-so-loved ones.

The advice did seem probably unnecessary, for 99.9%, but ya never know what some folks will get up to, do ya? 

Quote from: Rene' aka candygirl on December 17, 2008, 12:27:07 PM
gather information off the net, about real life TS's and their successful transitions. It is out there to be found

This, however, is probably exactly spot-on and start here: http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TSsuccesses.html  Lynn has worked hard in getting this ressource together and more people should use it in exactly the way Rene suggested.

Nichole

P.S. Vexing and Starbuck, do please try to agree to disagree without this incessant bickering. It tends to detract from everything else in the threads it shows up in. Thanks, gals.

Doesn't everyone prove their points with porn?  Or I'm I way off base?

Quote from: tekla on December 17, 2008, 04:38:28 PM
Doesn't everyone prove their points with porn?  Or I'm I way off base?

That may be the way it works in the world's most enlightened city on hills, but I don't think it plays in Peoria, Kat. 

I think you may have a view there that's not universally held!! 

Nichole

Quote from: Nichole on December 17, 2008, 04:36:35 PM

P.S. Vexing and Starbuck, do please try to agree to disagree without this incessant bickering. It tends to detract from everything else in the threads it shows up in. Thanks, gals.

I don't think there will be any further incidents.
Sorry for the disturbance! 

Hey I tried using reason.  Nada.  Similar results for using rational thought, careful argument, even went so far as to try to use facts to support the argument.  Never did any good.  Being sensible, using data that you can verify, employing logic.  Yeah, great results with that stuff.  So nope.  I'm going to make all my arguments with porn from now on.  It pretty much stops the conversation rather than heating it up, then I can sneak away cause they will be busy for like 5-8 minutes or something.

I'm not way into finding humor in the misfortune of others - OK, that's a lie, I love it - so when I read about someone using porn to trying to show her folks that transgendered MtF's are real I spit coffee everywhere just trying to imagine the look on mom's face as she watched.  Really.  You can't write stuff like that.

Quote from: tekla on December 17, 2008, 04:52:50 PM
  Really.  You can't write stuff like that.

Kudos to Rene then, Kat, she did!! And I have to admit that the LOLing going on here was lengthy!!

N~

Hi candygirl hon I was also just kidding about the Red Neck Type, I would sooner get abducted by aliens. Get a nice alien who knows how to treat a lady and even let me pilot the ship.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on December 17, 2008, 07:26:36 PM
Hi candygirl hon I was also just kidding about the Red Neck Type, I would sooner get abducted by aliens. Get a nice alien who knows how to treat a lady and even let me pilot the ship.

Cindy

"I got abducted by aliens and all I got was an anal probe and this stupid T-shirt"

Quote from: Vexing on December 17, 2008, 07:27:47 PM


"I got abducted by aliens and all I got was an anal probe and this stupid T-shirt"

Some people would pay good money for that anal probe.

She paid damn good money for it, and don't you forget it.

Well you got abducted by the wrong alien. 

Well, the information point i fear is mute... My mum understands transsexuality... apparently... her point is that she doesnt belive that i AM... its her firm belief that i had a mental breakdown when i went to university... that im simply confused. That im not sure how to combat.... Im considering audreys suggestion tbh... make myself more visible, and slowly expose them further... and prove its right?

It may be time to remember that the real old adage is that: Living well is the best revenge.  I feel for you Starbuck, I have an idea of how much all of that is worth to you, how much it is just to get a simple OK, and I hope you find it someday.

Tell her
"Yes I had a breakdown, and of those broken pieces they were refit to make me what I am today"
Thats a good comeback right?
Use HER words against herself.

not really...

that would be my saying that i used to be a guy, i went mad, and now im a woman.... which is wrong.

I always was a girl, she just cant get her head around the fact i hid it...

I don't understand why your mom refuses to accept the fact that you are TS if she understands what TS is. ***Just a suggestion,*** after all I might be way off on left field, but maybe you should set her down and give here a few lessons of your own about TS, with documented facts for back up, and where you fit in on the scheme of things.

You can then make your own assessment as to just how much she does or doesn't know about TSism. If she refuses to listen then she ether doesn't know what she claims she does, or is in denial. You know, like, she does not want to admit or accept the fact that her, (insert male name) has this affliction.

If she does set and hears you out you may want to tell her the reasons and the history as to why you think you are TS

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on December 22, 2008, 01:31:45 PM
I don't understand why your mom refuses to accept the fact that you are TS if she understands what TS is. ***Just a suggestion,*** after all I might be way off on left field, but maybe you should set her down and give here a few lessons of your own about TS, with documented facts for back up, and where you fit in on the scheme of things.

You can then make your own assessment as to just how much she does or doesn't know about TSism. If she refuses to listen then she ether doesn't know what she claims she does, or is in denial. You know, like, she does not want to admit or accept the fact that her, (insert male name) has this affliction.

If she does set and hears you out you may want to tell her the reasons and the history as to why you think you are TS

Cindy

For the same reason, no doubt that a parent might refuse to "believe" that her child had some sort of swiftly metastasizing cancer or that her child was in some way living with a physical or mental deficit that had been caused by a medication the mother took while pregnant, Cindy. Or what a mother, Jeffrey Dahmer's mother comes to mind, will say after her child is convicted of some heinous crime. "I don't see it."

People deny what they don't want to see within their children or what they feel they may have brought on their children or what they feel will be averse to their children.

To deny a child's transsexual history is not unusual or odd nor wven does it mean the parent doesn't love the child. It may well mean that the parent loves the child very deeply and doesn't want her child to be exposed to the slings ans arrows that society and others will hurl at her: at least in the parent's mind.

My guess is that both Rachael and Audrey's parents love each of them very much: but also neither set can imagine anything more horrid than the life they have seen, or think they have seen, is alloted to people with transsexing histories.


Nichole

I had a child who died from drugs, But I believe the kid was slowly dying of heartbreak long before he died from the influence of drugs. After loosing his girl friend, his first love, well before he stepped out in front of that truck that night. I loved him regardless of his drug abuse and I did all I could to prevent what happened from happening.

Nichol, back then I didn't know anything about transsexuality even though I had all the signs of GID. The thing is my son and I did talk and I also talked about my problems to him. we shared. I just wish I could have done something to save him. I don't know if there is any similarities there or not Nichol but I threw it out there anyway. I must agree with your response, I am by no means disagreeing.

Cindy