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Annwyn, banned 1 year

Started by Susan, December 23, 2008, 07:45:38 PM

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Susan

For unrelenting attitude; violations of rules 2, 5, 7, 10, and the following two messages Annwyn has been banned for the next year. Maybe by then she will have matured enough to play nice with others in the adult world.

QuotePeople's heads aren't screwed on right on this site lately, and it's pissing me off immensely.

So I'm gonna piss off for a while too.  If you wanna talk, bug me on yahoo or aim or myspace.

Maybe one day there'll be different management.

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So now people can post paintings of nude chicks as their avatars from time to time and have whole threads full of skimpy women quizzes but i can't even show off my progress?

eff you


bull the -u-k s-it

Between this and all the negative drama she injects into the site I am done with her. I wish her well.
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Alyx.

Oh look, it's THE Susan. :x

Well... I guess not too much suprise about the announcement.
If you do not agree to my demands... TOO LATE
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Susan

TOS terms 4 and 5 modified to cover future issues relating to pictures and posts.
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Janet_Girl

I knew this would happen.  But it is the rules of OUR site, and we all must obey them.  I am sorry for Annwyn.  But she brought it on herself. 

Yes it is interesting to review each others progress, but that is what words are for.  Pictures should be of a tasteful manner.  If someone wishes to see more, that is what regular e-mail is for.

Ann will be missed, but I do hear from her on YIM.  And many of us chat with her.  She progress can be posted, if Susan will allow it.
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Vexing

 :'(
We had joy, we had fun, we had seasons in the sun...
Wait, wut?
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Susan on December 23, 2008, 07:45:38 PM
Between this and all the negative drama she injects into the site I am done with her. I wish her well.

I avoided the drama by not reading her posts.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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tekla

At the rate she is going, that's going to amount to a lifetime ban.  You can only dance with the devil so long before the bill comes due.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Sarah Louise

I'm sorry that Annwyn left no "wiggle room" they brought this on themselves.  I do hope they mature and apoligize to Susan at some point.

Sarah L.
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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vanna

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tekla

The one time pre-law student in me (back when I was only using my reptile brain) looked at all those words in that way.  threatening tone, obscene, pornographic, intended to titillate, or depicts illegal acts are all pretty much subjective, rather than objective standards, and the illegal stuff is pretty much silly, as this is a world wide forum, and so the first question is "illegal where?"

For example, there are places where crossdressing is illegal and hence, pretty much all the pictures are illegal.  Or, what if us NorCal and SoCal girls all got together here in SF and in the pictures one or more of us are puffing on a huge spliff there with the Golden Gate Bridge in the background?  That's illegal in a lot of places, but not here, heck we might even have medical marijuana cards given out by the State of California.  We could be authorized by the state to smoke our Mary Jane out there by the bridge - strictly medicinal, of course.  And by the way, several states, recently adding Michigan, have such laws.  However, its still a 'federal crime' but I don't think the DEA is out busting pot smokers on the California Coast.  Matter of fact, I know they are not.

obscene, pornographic, intended to titillate  Well I agree with Tasha here in that none of those pictures titillated me.  The stuff of the Mexican Beauty Queen busted with all those guns and all that money, well some of those shots are pretty titillating, as they were posed, staged, and shot to be just that.  I don't think any of these pictures hit near that mark.  Really, if you're going to give me a hot shot of your firm ass in tight jeans, at least focus the camera.

Pornographic - not even close, as they were not intended to depict sex, there was no overt or covert sexual nature to those shots, except Audrey's which clearly caters to an established sexual fetish.  Though being pornographic does not necessarily mean obscene, think the Klaw shots of Bettie Page, that are sexually very hot, but Miss Page was far from naked, in fact, she was overdressed. 

I have nothing against standards, and since the only photos I've ever posted are pretty much of the light shows I work on, I don't have a dog in the fight.  However, the best solution might just be to junk all that language, and have the standard be Susan's judgment, taste or desire, and let it go at that.  It's her site, her rule, she decides.  No different from work really - "because I'm the boss".  But getting a group of people, from widely differing backgrounds to all have a say is problematic.  And using that kind of language is also problematic.  After all, the closest the Supreme Court of the United States could come to defining 'pornography' is "I can't tell you what it is, but I know it when I see it."  Which, oddly enough, is also pretty much the definition of art. 

Obscene, gosh, I read the news, from all over the world.  I see pictures from Darfur, of living conditions in 3rd world countries, and of people on our own streets, of Abu Ghraib, and wonder how any picture, of any person, in their underwear could ever be considered obscene in contrast.  That must be just me.  I guess I'm a bit burned out on the whole "Naked Humans Are Obscene" thing.  Mostly I find such naked human shots far more humorous than obscene.  And more than that, the stuff I find in the backgrounds of such shots often tell me more about the person than their posts do.

So just say, Susan will make the decision, and let it stand at that.
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postoplesbian

I know annwyn kinda gave me some imature arguments but i think that maybe a year is kinda long. Oh well i am not sure exactly what they did but the youth many times need guidance from those of us who are older. Anyway thats my thoughts and feelings. For any of you in touch with annwyn please let them know i care for annwyn and they are welcome to reach out to me anytime at postoplesbian@aol.com Its my concern that the youth take things like this too hard and well they can be fragile and do irational things which i am sure we all don't want to ever happen as we love our youth so very dearly. They are our future :)
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Eva Marie

Quote from: tekla on December 24, 2008, 12:48:09 AM
At the rate she is going, that's going to amount to a lifetime ban.  You can only dance with the devil so long before the bill comes due.

You calling susan the devil?  :o :D

I'm not surprised; annwyn been's burning the candle at both ends now for awhile. I hope she finds happiness in her life.
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tekla

Hardly, its Annwyn whose doing that dance, I've watched it a bunch, almost never ends well.  If your standing atop a fuel tanker lighting matches, sooner or later, it will catch fire.
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Lisbeth

Quote from: tekla on December 24, 2008, 10:37:32 AM
The one time pre-law student in me (back when I was only using my reptile brain) looked at all those words in that way.  threatening tone, obscene, pornographic, intended to titillate, or depicts illegal acts are all pretty much subjective, rather than objective standards, and the illegal stuff is pretty much silly, as this is a world wide forum, and so the first question is "illegal where?"

The answer to that is quite simple... in the state where Susan's ISP is located.

Quote from: tekla on December 24, 2008, 12:48:09 AM
At the rate she is going, that's going to amount to a lifetime ban.  You can only dance with the devil so long before the bill comes due.

There is only one person that has ever happened to.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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sd

Quote from: tekla on December 24, 2008, 10:37:32 AM
The one time pre-law student in me (back when I was only using my reptile brain) looked at all those words in that way.  threatening tone, obscene, pornographic, intended to titillate, or depicts illegal acts are all pretty much subjective, rather than objective standards, and the illegal stuff is pretty much silly, as this is a world wide forum, and so the first question is "illegal where?"

Doesn't matter in a court of law.
Susan's is private property, you are allowed only the rights she affords you and all decisions regarding what is which are hers alone to decide. If she wants someone gone she needs no reason.

Bottom line is don't push. If you question posting it, don't, or get the staff to approve it first. If they approve it and she doesn't at least she will not take it out on you.
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TamTam

To give people at least rough guidelines for what is and is not allowed.  If there was no TOS, how would people know what they should question posting?  Trial and error?
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sd

Same reason we have laws in the real world, it establishes a set of guidelines people need to follow in order to get along.

Some people will always try and bend or push the rules, at least with a tos, you know where that line is. Most forums make the rules more strict than they actually are for a bit of breathing room so anyone bending them a bit is likely to be okay.
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tekla

What I proposed would only effect a few items, not the corpus of the entire POS, and I agree that Susan's is private property, which is why I suggested the most expedient means to the end, in keeping within the perimeters of the proprietary interests, but without impacting the fiduciary aspects of the property as a whole*, but a means that at least has some continuity from decision to decision.   


* - I got an "I can be a lawyer" kit with my Frosted Flakes once.
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Lisbeth

Quote from: tekla on December 24, 2008, 05:18:58 PM
* - I got an "I can be a lawyer" kit with my Frosted Flakes once.

I think they were passing out those kits, except the label was "I am an officer of the bank," when I worked for Wells Fargo.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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tekla

Wus tat you on top of the wagon when it come a rollin' into town?
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