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Are you socially isolated ?

Started by Karma86, December 27, 2008, 09:04:13 PM

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Karma86

I'm curious has anyone ever been so introverted most of their life that they find it harder and harder to break free of this void of emptiness ? I know for a fact that I myself seem to be in this rut at 22 now , no friends , no social existance , but longing to be able to find a group of people just right for me !
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Rita Irene

yup! Im there...I have horrible social anxiety...no real friends, dont go anywhere.

I am married and its great, and Im pretty happy staying home...

but Im a social misfit
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Ms.Behavin

Well I was socially isolated for a long time.  I did not have friends in my teens or twenties, I did not hang out.  oddly enough I am less isolated now by far and still progressing.

Beni
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Pariah

*Makes Tim Burton type faces*
Ugh...I'm so isolated, a padded room with a locked door in an empty corridor insane assylum would be more social activity than my daily life. I exaggerate, of course, but I don't have friends. I don't go places (unless forced, or persuaded by my own needs/wants.) I am really just one sorry person. I think I've wasted all 19 years of my life, and all 4 years of my high school experience. Oddly enough, I don't regret not going to those social events-I regret not going to those social events because of so many of my dysphoria/self-esteem related issues.

LOL, now I'm just a touch depressed.  :D

Also, nice amount of tags there...think you got enough?  ;)
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Linda

I'm so ir-reversably introverted and anti-social. Sorry if that sounds negative, but it is so. It makes me sick sometimes. I can't be anywhere w/o getting so totally anxious that I leave. Malls, bars, the grocery store. 3 foot rule all the time, PLEASE!!
But, in the same light, I can't get my friends to visit me at my place, it seems there's trolls under the bridges waiting to chew them up if they travel more than 15 miles from their home.
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tekla

I found it all to easy to stay in my room, or in the library till it closed and it seemed to me I was missing something in the whole college deal, so I began to force myself to do the social deal.  It's not all that bad, and once you get used to it, it even has some good aspects, so I work to put myself into social settings still.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Cindy

This was emailed to me. I thank the author. I don't have the right or anything to the copyright. I hope I am not breaking rules.


We start out early being ostracized by the other kids
because they know we are different.  If our brain is female the boys
don't want to hang around a girl and the girls don't want to be with an
icky boy.  If we have a male brain and a female body the girls don't want
to be with a pushy boy and the boys see just a girl.  Occasionally there
may be a girl who sees the girl in us, or a boy who sees the boy in us
and becomes our friend.

As time goes by we get verbally and physically abused.  This abuse comes
from "friends," peers, siblings and parents.  It may occur from total
strangers and often goes a far as rape and murder.

We question ourselves with "What's wrong with me?", knowing, but still
not accepting the unthinkable cruelty of being in the "wrong body."  We
are alone thinking that we are the only person alive who has this kind of
feelings.

We pray and ask God or another deity to change us or we try to use magic
so what is between our legs finally matches our mind.  Disappointed and
frustrated, we are still in the wrong body.

We also get that "What's wrong with you?" "discussion" that is really a
speech, resulting in being coerced into playing football and learning how
to fight because dad wants to "make a man" out of us or mom makes us
learn how to cook, sew, clean house and other feminine things so we will
become good housewives.  Sometimes trying to fit in, we do it to
ourselves, usually without success.  But that doesn't mean we can fight
our way out of a paper bag or boil water without burning it.

Then our bodies betray us.  We become that big hairy clod instead of the
pretty petite girl we see in our mind's eye.  For a male in a female body
we are still 5' 2", 98 lbs. soaking wet after bodybuilding.

Many of us learn to hide our true selves by pretending to be the sex our
body says we are.  Often we marry and have children.  But we are not
honest.  We are false witnesses.  Internally, the male and female parts
of our bodies and minds are constantly fighting so we never get that
inner peace called contentment.

Some of us suppress our need so strongly that we tell the world that we
are not transgendered.  Yet, we feel a need to crossdress. Some of us may
need to have someone else tell us, or even force us to crossdress.

We hide in other ways, too.  Some hide with death.  I am proud of those
who have kept their promise to me not to commit suicide.  One recently
asked me to release her from that promise.  I had to tell her only if she
had a medical condition that warrants "Do Not Resuscitate."  We might
also do self harm, a "minor" form of suicide.  I have heard of some of us
that cut off their testicles, or tried to.  Some of us hide by having
unsafe sex resulting in gonorrhea, syphilis, or AIDS.  In other words: a
slow form of suicide.

Or we hide behind drugs.  Hopefully those of us that go that route end up
in Alcoholics Anonymous, other treatment centers before we
either end up in jail or die.

We often develop various forms of mental illness, as a product of the
extreme shame or bewilderment we have.  We are admitted to psychiatric
treatment centers or at least, being driven by guilt or unable to accept
the unacceptable, we talk to psychologists or psychiatrists.  Many of us
are depressed and end up on anti depressants.

We also don't know how to relate to others.  We are alone so we don't
pick up the interrelationship clues that other teens learn because they
are with friends.  As adults we don't know how to deal with people so
find ourselves alone or, because we are afraid of people gravitate
towards rural areas because there are less people to deal with or major
urban areas because there everyone is anonymous.

Many of us are "read" and caught out partially because we are fearful of
being read and caught out.  We also might be read because there are few
genetic 6' 2" women.  Even after transition we may be mentally looking
over our shoulders to see if anyone is outing us, either maliciously or
unintentionally.  Either way we could be hurt and humiliated if it
happens.


We are also more likely to have heart attacks and other diseases caused
by stress due to the never ending battle between the male and female
within us.  This stress, beginning in early age, can result in poor
education that leads to low paying jobs with low or no medical coverage.
This leads to our inability to get proper medical care, even for medical
issues not connected to transgender or age dysphoria, creating still more
stress.  Our desperation to transition is so great and our finances so
small we may resort to self medication, sometimes through the internet.
Yet, the use of these drugs needs to be monitored or we run the risk of
hurting ourselves or dying.

In the end some of us decide to transition, trying to make our bodies
match our minds, even though it is like building a house starting on the
second floor.  Others decide not to.  That is O. K., too.  As noted
before many of us cannot afford the many expensive procedures that are
necessary to truly transition.  We often transition with great
difficulty. The woman trapped in a male body has to somehow hide her
beard.  A female to male still has breasts to deal with.

Yet at this time we begin to choose life, and most of us gain that inner
peace because we can be our true selves.  It is strange that this is the
time others tell us we are going to Hell when, in reality, we have just
gotten out of it.  The hate they give us is sometimes greater than the
contempt that should be reserved for murderers.  But they forget that "we
have not come into being to hate and destroy, (but instead) to praise, to
labor and to love." The hate goes so far that some religious institutions
have barred us from even entering their houses of worship or require us
to wear "gender neutral" clothing.

Sometimes there is the issue of how we are addressed.  For example, some
of us have been asked, "What does your son or daughter call you?"  One
child of a male to female woman stated that she is his father.  Both are
proud of that statement.  The daughter of another referred to her now
female father as mom and both were happy with the reference.  The pronoun
used by the child, parent or sibling may give pride, as in these
examples, or it may hurt the transgendered individual.

In public the male or female reference to us may be at times different.
To the same individual sometimes the "sir" or "madam" may not be
important other times it is.  It could even hurt, especially when it
comes from "friends" and family.
.  I AM asking
you to follow the words that are almost in the center of the Torah: to
love your neighbor as you love yourself.  It is a hallmark of the Western
religions and many of the others.  The rest is just commentary.


Notes: References

Biblical quotes paragraphing and references: Haphtarah reading: Isaiah:
51:12-52:12, specifically: 51:21-22 and Mona Vu 52:7
Others: Exodus 20:13   Leviticus 19:18   Numbers 6:25   Deuteronomy 30:
15-19

"The rest is just commentary" is from a quote in the Talmud from Hillel
the Great who lived about 2300 years ago.  A man went to Hillel as
challenged, "If you can tell me the whole of the Torah while standing on
one foot I will become a Jew."  Hillel responded, "What is hateful to
thee do not do to another.  That is the whole of the torah.  The rest is
just commentary.  Now go study."

"To hate and destroy ..." is a slightly rephrasing of part of the prayer
for peace by Rabbi Nachman of Breslov as told by Rabbi Nathan.

"Building a house ...": a comment by Kaitlin Thompson, an author of
transgender fiction and a member of the "Family"

True Selves: is a book by Mildred L Brown and Chloe Ann Rounsley.  I have
been told it is one of the best of many books on the transgendered
condition.  I have not read it.

Accepting the unacceptable/Enduring the unendurable: is part of and
paraphrasing a quote by Hirohito in his message of surrender ending WWII:
"We have resolved to endure the unendurable and suffer what is
insufferable."

I thank Holly Hart, Allysson de Merel, Nori Herras, Angela Rasch, Donna
Riley and Heather Rose Brown for their comments, suggestions, editing and
proofing.

I would love to acknowledge the author but the message stands


Cindy James
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Mika N.

I am very socially isolated here.  Work is where I mostly interact with other people in real life.   When I'm around other guys at work and they start talking about women in degrading ways, I feel uncomfortable and sad.  When the guys go out, I know they kind of expect me to join them but I never do because I know I just won't enjoy doing the stereotypical guys night out stuff.  I'm afraid they'll suspect something about me so I do my best to pretend I'm just one of the boys at work.  But it is all a big act ,and  everyday is holloween as I don my male costume.

I have no social life outside of work.  The last relationship I had was with a girl when I was 16 and it lasted only two weeks.  Beyond wearing the shirt, pants, and putting on the mediocre act that I do at work; I have a hard time pretending to be a man.  In public I'm introverted, have a difficult time trusting, and I'm constantly holding back the woman inside me that wants to express herself.  I enjoy interacting with women but not neccessarily the way expected of a man.  I yearn to have that sisterly relationship with other women.

Cindy James, thank you for posting that.  That was a great read.  Loved it hun.


Mika
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Sophie90

I'm sort of borderline Aspergers, so I really don't relate to other people and other people don't relate to me.
This applies equally to guys and girls. It's just *people*...

I don't mind being fairly isolated though. I'm not like that due to anxiety, I just find that conucting socialisation appropriately is tiring (it does not come naturally, I have to think about everything), and finding the majority of people bland and uninteresting means that I avoid socialisation much of the time.

I do have friends though. I like going for nights out, and that would be no fun (and rather dangerous) by myself. That is basically the purpose of my friends.
I do have fun and intersting conversations with them too, sometimes. That's nice.
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icontact

:-\ I guess I'm the outlier here. I'm not socially isolated. I've plenty of friends, and I make more quite easily with random people I meet. Get along well with adults as well, despite being on the younger end of that spectrum.
Hardly online anymore. You can reach me at http://cosyoucantbuyahouseinheaven.tumblr.com/ask
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Jamie_B

I've been socially isolated for as long as I can remember, becoming more and more extreme over time.  I was divorced in 2000.  Since that time I have stayed in my room in my parents house in front of this computer leaving only once a month for groceries.  I did live on my own in an apt. for about 5 months leaving that only rarely for groceries.  I was with my ex-wife before and during marriage for about 5 years.  I rarely left the house then also.  She had friends who would come over and I would tolerate them for a short while.  Previous to that I was with a girlfriend for 5 years with the same sort of arrangement.  Previous to that I was completely isolated in my room for a full year save a brief job at a no-kill animal shelter where I could again, be isolated from humans.  All in all I haven't had a "friend" since the mid 1990's.  As I sit here now I have been isolated in my room for nearly 9 years.  I have/had? a pretty severe social anxiety ..."thing".  I've been diagnosed with all sorts of things spending brief periods of time in-patient at "hospitals".  A few of the things I had difficulty with were situational completely...experiencing abuse vicariously through partners, and emotionally and physically abused by a partner.  It is however *very* clear to me now what the true problem was and is.  And since my revelation...since I released the repression I caged myself with I find that I fear people and social situations less and less.  I am in the wrong body and I have manufactured a fake, thin coating of masculinity out of fear...to keep from getting beaten up more than I was and to draw as little attention to myself as possible.  That I have decided to change this gives me joy beyond measure :0).
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katy_k

This is something i fear about coming out, i have a good group of friends, we have been on holiday together and are good friends. But if i came out to them as being a MTF then i would be shunned socially and i know it. They wouldnt want to know me.
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Jemma

Yeah, definitely socially isolated. I have a hard time communicating socially. I realized that I was going to work just to meet people.  I've tried to do what Tekla was talking about, putting myself out there, but sometimes the panicky wanting to hide feeling overtakes me.
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sarahb

You know, not so much. During high school I didn't have a lot of friends, but I had a couple close friends that I hung out with a lot and I had the social friends in class and during lunch. During college I started becoming more outgoing and moved in with a couple friends (whom I still live with) and we threw house parties and went out a lot to the local clubs, I went/go to raves with my old friends from high school still. Nobody has shunned me yet, everyone's been awesome about my transition, so I haven't had to give up any friends or anything. However, I have noticed a decline in the amount I go out these days since going full time due to the fact that I'm still a bit uncomfortable with my looks, but even that hasn't taken away my social life, just cut it down a bit. I'm expecting that it'll increase again though once I'm comfortable with my looks again, but I've been noticing more and more lately that I don't really care what people think anymore, or at least not nearly as much as I used to.

I have to agree with what others have said here about it all being about attitude. I don't think attitude is 100% of it, but it's a major enough factor that you need to take it into consideration and try and get over any self-consciousness you may feel about yourself. Once you do you'll feel a huge weight come off your shoulders and life will start falling into place.
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mina.magpie

Yeah. I mean, I had some friends at highschool and during university, but I was never outgoing or anything along those lines. I had a pretty low opinion of myself so I avoided social settings 'cause they were of course only going to confirm those low opinions ... that's what I thought anyway. Later though I really started making an effort to interact with people, so I started mimicking my dad in how he easily he interacts with strangers, and I started forcing myself to make conversation with checkout people and taxi drivers and whatever else have you. That gradually moved on to going out to clubs and parties and stuff, and yeah, the rest is history. It's still not easy for me, but I find I can fake it pretty well. ^_^

Mina.
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Jeatyn

at one point I got so bad that I didn't leave my house for over a year

at all

I wouldn't even answer the phone

everything and everyone made me panic

at the beginning of this year when I started to accept who I really was it started to get better and I made some friends, but I was really forcing myself to be sociable and still really wanted to be safe at home alone

since coming out and having everyone accept me, the social anxiety has pretty much gone. I'm barely in the house any more, I just come home to change clothes most the time. Life is much better like this  ;D
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arbon

wow, a lot of people like me    :)
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Osiris

I use to get horrible social anxiety. I'd have to work up nerve to walk out the door and go to work. And there I'd just stay at my desk and do my job. Phones would also cause a lot of anxiety (not good when my job involves answering phones).

I've gotten much better about it but I still don't have any friends. When I was younger I use to have a bunch of online buddies, but that number has dwindled down.

I'm pretty sure this comes from my anti-social tendencies. I'll be fine with hanging out and stuff, but then I hit a period where I can't stand to be around people, even thru online chats. I'm hoping as I work through my gender issues I won't go through so many periods like this.
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Luc

Totally, but really, that's how I usually want it. I'd like to have more friends, but considering I'm a compulsive introvert and erstwhile misanthropist, it's a bit difficult. I like to meet people online, because they talk. I hate small talk. I enjoy actually having real talks with people, and the vast majority of folks aren't into that.

I had quite a few friends in high school, a lot at the first college I went to, but I quickly learned that the best way to get the alone time I need is to keep people at a distance. It may not be for the best, but for the most part, I'm fine with it. I have my wife, who is usually good for conversation, and I have many friends I keep in touch with via the internet. If I could meet those people in reality, I'd have a plethora of friends. I'm good.

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mina.magpie

Quote from: Osiris on December 28, 2008, 11:40:40 PMPhones would also cause a lot of anxiety (not good when my job involves answering phones).

OMG yes. I still can't make a phonecall without MAKING myself do it, and I will try to palm that pohone off on ANYBODY else so I don't have to answer it.

Mina.
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