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Preparing yourself to accept your sexual role.

Started by Candygirl, December 17, 2008, 01:53:19 PM

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cindybc

Hi Rosa Welcome to Susan's

There is a few of us trans lesbians around if that is the desired label of the day

Cindy
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Rachael

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Alyssa M.

The same thing that happened to just being a person. ;)
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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cindybc

Nothing wrong with being lesbian, what ever turns a persons crank is good enough for me and Bobby Mcgee. But I just don't go around advertising it. As far as the outside world goes Wing Walker and I are just two ladies sharing the same apartment and do our daily stuff together.

I ain't offering nothing unless someone asks is all and rarely has anyone asked except for one other lady who knows because she shares her life with another lady. Same with being tans, no one asked and I never offered. I could be part Martian to as well as Iroquois, do I have to climb on the roof tops and yell it out to everyone?

I am Cindy I am 63 years old grandmother, I don't have any grey hair yet. I like sparklies on my clothes, and here is my email address, and to some, my phone number and that is all I need to give out.

Cindy 
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soldierjane

Quote from: Starbuck on January 01, 2009, 07:48:17 AM
Quote from: Vexing on January 01, 2009, 05:57:58 AM
Quote from: Starbuck on December 31, 2008, 02:17:16 PM
Plus two transsexuals in one relationship = one hell of a lot of issues and lolocausts...
No.
Lovely explanation...

Have you seen what transgender issues can do in a relationship where ther is pne transperson? two = double the issues, double the difficulty... dont try and suggest that two transpeople would be perfect match... it can work... afterall we are all people, but id never do that personally because all i can see is it being very very messed up.


While it may seem on the surface that it'd be just more trouble, the fact that only another TS can really understand TS issues would probably make things smoother in the long run.

EDIT: Just in regards to those issues of course
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tekla

I would think it would depend on the people involved.  It's not like every straight marriage is made in heaven either.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Vexing on January 01, 2009, 05:57:58 AM
Quote from: Starbuck on December 31, 2008, 02:17:16 PM
Plus two transsexuals in one relationship = one hell of a lot of issues and lolocausts...
No.

Any two humans in a relationship is enough for that.

Quote from: Vexing on January 01, 2009, 03:19:41 PM
you're only spouting uniformed opinion.

LOL!  :police:
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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cindybc

Yes that is quite true, that only another trans person can truly appreciate and understand the issues of another transperson, but it was in the sharing of these issues that we found other qualities about one another that were quite compatible and unique.

Also considering the negative past experiences with prior relationship with cisgendered women was pretty well excluded out of any other remote possibility of a repeat performance in our lives.

After some deliberations we came to the conclusion that we had no interest is trying for another relationship with another woman, and we certainly didn't have any interests sexually with men. So here we are five years later siting here in BC as a married couple. Two individuals who love and care for each other. But I still don't feel it's anybody else out there's business.

My bad, I forgot to mention this part.

Cindy
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Steph

I've gotten in to this thread quite late I guess but what the heck.  At the risk of repeating what others may have said... here goes...

Quote from: Rene' aka candygirl on December 17, 2008, 01:53:19 PM
I often wonder how many young MtF TS girls, who are thinking of transitioning, or are actually in the process, think about what their sexual role will be in the end. It gets confusing to many. Some MTF's will only want to be with other women. Some with both women and men.
Then again, others will want to be with the opposite of their gender after they go through SRS.  This applies to FTM's as well.

I was always labeled as gay from a young age. I didn't understand it at the time. I thought I liked to be with girls/females. I played with them, had them as friends, and dated them as a teen. Yet, I had an innate built in Gay-Dar, and was very aware of males who liked me, and wanted to be my boyfriend. It got particularly rough, when I was 15 to 17...gay men hounded me.

I didn't actually realize I was Bi-sexual until I was around 25 or so. It was during this time, I actually wanted a man and all that he could offer. I loved female relationships, and now was open to men as well. I was confused about what to do. Especially after what had I gone through years prior. Lots of counseling helped.

I won't go into particular's about the first time I openly accepted a males advance's. Let's just say; very different, very exciting and a little scary at the same time. Don't ask if I did or didn't, OK. It doesn't matter. He was my first, and was my lover/teacher for a while.

This was a monumental moment for me. And more than a little mind boggling. I had to think a long time about what my true preferences were, which was very difficult. I hopped back and forth across the fence for a long time. I liked it both ways. I never got involved in a three-some. Chances were there, but, I declined.

I finally decided, that in order for me to live in my new gender role, it would be easier if I was in a traditional relationship with the opposite sex. A man. Even though I am married to man I dearly and deeply love, and I would never cheat on him, I still eye the ladies...and they look back!  It is difficult to push those feelings down. My husband is aware of this in me. He isn't threatened,for he knows he has my true heart.

And that is the point; how many of the younger TS gals and boys, have given this subject any thought. What is your true heart sexually? It is important to think it through, and come to realizations that you can live with. It can also have a huge impact on your transition as well as your life later.  It did for me...

I remember that I always used to think that I was attracted to men (Gay apparently), but back then I was a teenager and the whole "Queer" scene was still underground so-to-speak.  This coupled with my desire to be a girl was a little confusing to say the least.  My problem was that I couldn't fathom why guys like to have sex with guys, and to be quite truthful I found the whole idea perverted.

Fast forward a life time...  therapy, transition, HRT etc. and I find that I'm still attracted to men and it raised a lot of questions, questions that were raised during therapy, for as now that I know that I was/am/will always be a woman I can now understand why, and I can understand why I always looked forward to a monogamous heterosexual relationship.

I remember my first forays out into the club scene, dancing etc.  It seemed so natural to date men, I had no interest what-so-ever in women.  Even being pre-op I danced with and dated men, the strange thing was that I had never in my life ever been with another man, but it seemed so natural and easy.  The was nothing sexual about it, I just needed to be with a man, and if the sexual part happened then so be it, it was as it should have been, and I think that this understanding was one of the important factors that contributed to my successful transition.

I remember that there was this gentleman at the club I frequented.  He knew of my pre-op status and we danced together quite often.  He was fairly attractive and a little younger than I was and we had fun together.  Eventually it got to the point where he invited me to "His Place" for a night cap (If you get my drift.)  Now I knew he was Bi-sexual but I didn't think that he would make the proposal that he did.  I declined the offer telling him that I was not interested, that that is not who I was.  A few years later (post-op) we are still friends and two weeks ago we found ourselves alone having a smoke outside of the pub, nothing unusual except for the fact that I now find him attractive sexually and it has progressed to the point now that we have both agreed that one of these days we will have "Wild erotic sex" lol.  Funny thing...

So yes, I agree with Rene.

Steph
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Rosa

     I consider myself to be a Female, and I am praying that I do find a sponser for the SRS/GRS. and Yes, I do consider myself as I have said in an earlier post, a lesbian, Trans-lesbian, whatever the term is these days.







Quote from: Steph on January 02, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
I've gotten in to this thread quite late I guess but what the heck.  At the risk of repeating what others may have said... here goes...

Quote from: Rene' aka candygirl on December 17, 2008, 01:53:19 PM
I often wonder how many young MtF TS girls, who are thinking of transitioning, or are actually in the process, think about what their sexual role will be in the end. It gets confusing to many. Some MTF's will only want to be with other women. Some with both women and men.
Then again, others will want to be with the opposite of their gender after they go through SRS.  This applies to FTM's as well.

I was always labeled as gay from a young age. I didn't understand it at the time. I thought I liked to be with girls/females. I played with them, had them as friends, and dated them as a teen. Yet, I had an innate built in Gay-Dar, and was very aware of males who liked me, and wanted to be my boyfriend. It got particularly rough, when I was 15 to 17...gay men hounded me.

I didn't actually realize I was Bi-sexual until I was around 25 or so. It was during this time, I actually wanted a man and all that he could offer. I loved female relationships, and now was open to men as well. I was confused about what to do. Especially after what had I gone through years prior. Lots of counseling helped.

I won't go into particular's about the first time I openly accepted a males advance's. Let's just say; very different, very exciting and a little scary at the same time. Don't ask if I did or didn't, OK. It doesn't matter. He was my first, and was my lover/teacher for a while.

This was a monumental moment for me. And more than a little mind boggling. I had to think a long time about what my true preferences were, which was very difficult. I hopped back and forth across the fence for a long time. I liked it both ways. I never got involved in a three-some. Chances were there, but, I declined.

I finally decided, that in order for me to live in my new gender role, it would be easier if I was in a traditional relationship with the opposite sex. A man. Even though I am married to man I dearly and deeply love, and I would never cheat on him, I still eye the ladies...and they look back!  It is difficult to push those feelings down. My husband is aware of this in me. He isn't threatened,for he knows he has my true heart.

And that is the point; how many of the younger TS gals and boys, have given this subject any thought. What is your true heart sexually? It is important to think it through, and come to realizations that you can live with. It can also have a huge impact on your transition as well as your life later.  It did for me...

I remember that I always used to think that I was attracted to men (Gay apparently), but back then I was a teenager and the whole "Queer" scene was still underground so-to-speak.  This coupled with my desire to be a girl was a little confusing to say the least.  My problem was that I couldn't fathom why guys like to have sex with guys, and to be quite truthful I found the whole idea perverted.

Fast forward a life time...  therapy, transition, HRT etc. and I find that I'm still attracted to men and it raised a lot of questions, questions that were raised during therapy, for as now that I know that I was/am/will always be a woman I can now understand why, and I can understand why I always looked forward to a monogamous heterosexual relationship.

I remember my first forays out into the club scene, dancing etc.  It seemed so natural to date men, I had no interest what-so-ever in women.  Even being pre-op I danced with and dated men, the strange thing was that I had never in my life ever been with another man, but it seemed so natural and easy.  The was nothing sexual about it, I just needed to be with a man, and if the sexual part happened then so be it, it was as it should have been, and I think that this understanding was one of the important factors that contributed to my successful transition.

I remember that there was this gentleman at the club I frequented.  He knew of my pre-op status and we danced together quite often.  He was fairly attractive and a little younger than I was and we had fun together.  Eventually it got to the point where he invited me to "His Place" for a night cap (If you get my drift.)  Now I knew he was Bi-sexual but I didn't think that he would make the proposal that he did.  I declined the offer telling him that I was not interested, that that is not who I was.  A few years later (post-op) we are still friends and two weeks ago we found ourselves alone having a smoke outside of the pub, nothing unusual except for the fact that I now find him attractive sexually and it has progressed to the point now that we have both agreed that one of these days we will have "Wild erotic sex" lol.  Funny thing...

So yes, I agree with Rene.

Steph
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Steph

Quote from: cindybc on January 02, 2009, 12:12:47 PM
Yes that is quite true, that only another trans person can truly appreciate and understand the issues of another transperson, but it was in the sharing of these issues that we found other qualities about one another that were quite compatible and unique.

To a point...  Relationships should be based on mutual trust, understanding and honesty, and while trans folk have unique issues it is not necessarily true that only trans people can understand the issues.  My ex completely understood the issues as did my ex boy friend of seven months and the breakups were not as a result of one not understanding the issues.  One only needs to read the threads at Susan's and it is very apparent that even we have trouble understanding the issues :)

Steph
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Rachael

transpeople : the biggest barrier to trans acceptance.
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tekla

transpeople : the biggest barrier to trans acceptance

Maybe if we all get rid of ourselves, we'll be accepted.  Sounds like a pyrrhic victory to me.  But I find I need little acceptance from others, so long as they get out of my way.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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cindybc

#93
Hi Steph, I agree with you but I believe that speaking for myself I was pretty well burned out as far as having any other relationship with a Cisgender woman for different reason's among some I really don't like to repeat. I had already made up my mind I was going to spend the rest of my life as single.

I did not trust anyone female or male and was not interested in another relationship. I just wanted to live out the rest of my life as me, Cindy, just an ordinary compassionate social worker dedicated to supporting those who were in need. I met Wing Walker here on Susan's 7 years ago. She was the one who taught me how to truest another again and love evolved out of that trust. Anyway it's a long story and if anyone is interested about my story you are welcome to visit my blog.

And I am quite aware of trans issues and tribulations. I have been working with trans folks for almost as long as I have known Wing Walker, both here on the board and at the local trans support group here in Vancouver. Through the years I have also worked with street people, recovering alcoholics and addiction counseling, as well as mental health consumers, so I am quite familiar with support work even if I was suffering with some of my own issues. 

Cindy

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/board,286.0.html   
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cindybc

#94
Jeeeees Just because I'm a backwoods girl doesn't mean i am stupid. I shortened this post because I am beginning to believe that I am wasting my breath on some folks in this thread and on a couple of other threads as well. This is beginning to remind me very much of the school yard bullies I had the pleasure of getting my bumps and bruises from all those years ago just for being different. I am a woman, and have no desire of wasting my time with the school yard bully mentality.

I wasn't born yesterday and I am quite aware of the shin kicking contests that go on between members of this board, but it don't mean that some do come to benefit from discussions and support of others on this board.

I know personally of at least four couples on this board who are living happily together.

Cindy     
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Rachael

Quote from: tekla on January 02, 2009, 01:23:18 PM
transpeople : the biggest barrier to trans acceptance

Maybe if we all get rid of ourselves, we'll be accepted.  Sounds like a pyrrhic victory to me.  But I find I need little acceptance from others, so long as they get out of my way.
It was half joke, half serious... Tbh The transcommunity has so much infighting, its hard for us to put up a coherent front without seeming like squabbling children to everyone else...
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tekla

Might be tragic, but its easier to say than to do, which is the opposite of IT come to think of it.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Rachael

I love how the most anarcic member at the moment tells me to stop infighting....
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Vexing

Quote from: Starbuck on January 03, 2009, 04:59:07 AM
I love how the most anarcic member at the moment tells me to stop infighting....
I have never been, have never claimed to be and never will be, an anarchist.
Again, if you don't like infighting, cease starting fights (example: the quoted post).
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