QuoteTrickster
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In mythology, and in the study of folklore and religion, a trickster is a god, goddess, spirit, man, woman, or anthropomorphic animal who plays tricks or otherwise disobeys normal rules and norms of behavior.

While doing something inexplicable, I stumbled upon this at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickster

Quote"Many native traditions held clowns and tricksters as essential to any contact with the sacred. People could not pray until they had laughed, because laughter opens and frees from rigid preconception. Humans had to have tricksters within the most sacred ceremonies for fear that they forget the sacred comes through upset, reversal, surprise. The trickster in most native traditions is essential to creation, to birth".

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QuoteFrequently the Trickster figure exhibits gender and form variability, changing gender roles and engaging in same-sex practices. Such figures appear in Native American and First Nations mythologies, where they are said to have a two-spirit nature. Loki, the Norse trickster, also exhibits gender variability, in one case even becoming pregnant; interestingly, he shares the ability to change genders with Odin, the chief Norse deity who also possesses many characteristics of the Trickster. In the case of Loki's pregnancy, he was forced by the Gods to stop a giant from erecting a wall for them before 7 days passed; he solved the problem by transforming into a mare and drawing the giant's magical horse away from its work. He returned some time later with a child he had given birth to--the eight-legged horse Sleipnir, who served as Odin's steed.

This is what separates us from the binaries, babies.    

That's really, really cool.

Mina.

we're around to be tricksy?

Quote from: Pica Pica on January 01, 2009, 11:03:22 AM
we're around to be tricksy?

Yes, but never false, my preciousssss ... 

The Fool is the most powerful card in the tarot deck. It is representative of the Jester or Trickster, the only person in royal court who could make fun of everybody, the king included, with impunity. In that si had a remarkable position from which to point out falsehoods, ignorance and stupidity where nobody else would dare.

So I don't know if that is what you're here to be, but if it is, it's bloody awesome.

Mina.

I like it!  We're tricky!

Very Interesting.

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The Fool is the most powerful card in the tarot deck. It is representative of the Jester or Trickster, the only person in royal court who could make fun of everybody, the king included, with impunity. In that si had a remarkable position from which to point out falsehoods, ignorance and stupidity where nobody else would dare.

A series of fictional book that I've read about Native Americans, the author use a character called a contrary.  The contrary is very similar to the fool. But the describe the contrary as seeing the world differently from everyone else.  I've kinda identified with that definition.

In real life people often refer to me as a fool.     It doesn't bother me.

Hi Jemma,

Is that book 'Little Big Man' by Thomas Berger?

Quote from: Rebis on January 01, 2009, 06:18:37 PM

Hi Jemma,

Is that book 'Little Big Man' by Thomas Berger?

No its- People of the Lakes by Kathleen O'Neal Gear and W. Michael Gear

Quote from: Jemma on January 01, 2009, 02:43:41 PMThe contrary is very similar to the fool. But the describe the contrary as seeing the world differently from everyone else.  I've kinda identified with that definition.

That's one of the key attributes of the Fool. The Fool is an innocent in the same way that children and mad people are, but with the caveat that si does not lose other faculties like intelligence or wisdom. In fact, the Fool is one of the wisest archetypes. A VERY interesting book on the Fool and its attributes is "The Zelator". It's by David Ovason and is a biography about the life of Mark Hedsel, an occultist who lived around the end of the 19th century and through the world wars, and was a contemporary of Austin Osmond Spare. He followed a very rare and unique tradition called The Way of the Fool. It makes for absolutely fascinating reading.

Mina.

Somebody better drill a hole in Mina's head.  There's too much information in there.      Gotta let some out.

That's OK, Rebis, we've got her hanging out with us, that level of stupidity has got to be catching at some point.  Look what's its done to Shades O'Gray already.

Excellent.   All According to plan.   

Well, you know, since Pinky left to go sing in Vegas, I'm in the market for new loyal sidekicks in my attempts to take over the world. THAT's why I hang around here.

Mina.

We only do nefarious sidekicks here.  Its that Coyote deal after all.

from Wikipedia about Native American Two-Spirit people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit

QuoteThese individuals are often viewed as having two spirits occupying one body. Their dress is usually a mixture of traditionally male and traditionally female articles. They have distinct gender and social roles in their tribes.

Two-spirited individuals perform specific social functions in their communities. In some tribes male-bodied two-spirits held active roles such as:

    * healers or medicine persons
    * gravediggers, undertakers, handling and burying of the deceased
    * conduct mourning and sexual rites
    * conveyers of oral traditions and songs
    * nurses during war expeditions
    * foretold the future
    * conferred lucky names on children or adults
    * wove, made pottery, made beadwork and quillwork
    * arranged marriages
    * made feather regalia for dances
    * special skills in games of chance
    * led scalp-dances
    * fulfilled special functions in connection with the setting up of the central post for the Sun Dance

In some tribes female-bodied two-spirits typically took on roles such as:

    * chief, council
    * trader
    * hunter, trapper, fisher
    * warrior, raider
    * guides
    * peace missions
    * vision quests, prophets
    * medicine persons

The more we know...



Knowledge is power. One day it will be all mine and I'll steal the world from Mina.

Quote from: Rebis on January 02, 2009, 01:57:59 PM
Knowledge is power. One day it will be all mine and I'll steal the world from Mina.

While the two of you are battling to the bitter end, I'll sneak in the kitchen door and steal the throne 

Z

Quote from: Zythyra on January 02, 2009, 02:23:09 PMWhile the two of you are battling to the bitter end, I'll sneak in the kitchen door and steal the throne 

Hope you brought an army. My loyal army of minions will be guarding said throne.

Mina.

and my minions will be deciding which blouses to wear.

My minions will be figuring out which skirt to wear with the blouse... I'll choose colors that clash completely, the loyal minions will be blinded by the sight, and I'll charge in and seize the throne 

Z