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Started by coolJ, January 03, 2009, 12:28:12 AM

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coolJ

When you know, accept, and embrace the fact that your a woman trapped in a male body is it possible to stay that way for a time? Does anyone know if I can pull this off. Its getting harder and harder to not at least start therapy and hormones. I'm trying to do this just for the sake of my wife and kids and also my in-laws and just want to know why its so hard for me to stay in this body anymore. I cant believe I'd actually put myself before my wife :-\ Is there any way I can slow this urge down, can I expect it to fade a little or does it keep growing and growing. I really dont want to hurt my wife. I've dealt with this by denial but now that I've accepted the truth its like I have to correct my body at any cost. My wife just cant handle talking with me about it anymore. The anti depressant is helping me stay up beat but I still cant stop thinking about correcting my body and living as the person I really am. Is there any way of slowing this process down or am I just screwed? ??? :-\ As usual any advice will be greatly appreciated! Peace and thanks
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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Cindy

I may not be the most qualifield to talk about this.

The decsions you make are yours. The speed that you go are yours. The responsibility is yours. Don't blame others. OK you didn't choose your sex, but you chose to have a family. Many of us did.
The family didn't choose you. Life sucks.
Get use too it

a VERY P'SSD
Cindy James







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Vexing

Hmm. That's a tough one.
In your shoes, I'd seek the help of an experienced counselor.
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Rachael

Id say no. Trying to remain in the wrong body if you truely have gid, it will only make it worse. Its the reason trans has such a high suicide rate... people try to tough it out and dont make it. I do agree, see a therapist.
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Lucy

100% with some of what people have to say here, get a good theropist, your going to need them, the decision is yoursd and only you can make it. While I have a breath in my body and im with my wife I cant take mones, My decision.... Yours may be different. I have managed to live now for 25 years knowing I was trans, 3 years on anti depresants, It can be done but like taking pills for other things it is not easy. What every you decide on this one is a very hard decision to make and stick by....

Good Luck
Lucy
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Alyssa M.

+1 for a good therapist.

I think having a plan or at least a sense of what your options are helps a lot. There might not be any wonderful options -- but a therapist can help you sort out what likely outcomes might be, rather than just panic.

For me, getting a handle on my options really took the edge off -- but at the same time it really made me want to move faster with transition, so it added a different kind of frustration. But I'd take that variety over panic any day.

Best wishes,

~Alyssa
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Jeatyn

in a word, no

I don't think you should live your life to please others. I know it's hard. But you will never be truly happy. And to be honest, I don't think it's fair on your wife either. Does she want to be in love with a lie? She deserves better than that and so do you.
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Lunae

Hard choices, friend.
No matter how you slice it. You need a counselor. This problem won't go away. It will be there when you're 80, if you live that long. Being miserable your whole life is not a life. You WILL hurt your kids and wife, and probably already are. That's the way it is. Choices. Conscious decision, and living with the consequences. You need someone to bounce things off of. Help to make the right decisions for you, with head and heart.
Namaste, Lunae
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Northern Jane

I didn't make it past 15 without starting hormones (illegally) and was suicidal by 22. At 24 I threw away everything I ever knew and started life all over again, venturing into the unknown alone.

So who am I to talk?
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sylvie

I have been going through the same situation.  However, I started to see a therapist this past summer.  I am still not sure which route I should go.  I don't want to lose my wife or daughter, but it gets harder to keep myself in.  But talking to a therapist does help
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Chrissty

Quote from: coolJ on January 03, 2009, 12:28:12 AM
Is there any way of slowing this process down or am I just screwed? ???

Hi cooJ...

...I've sort of accepted thet the answer is "yes" to the screwed bit... and as to slowing down, I'm seeing a therapist next week...

...BUT like you, I'm planning hold out as long as I can ...

...I'm pacing myself by focussing on the question of why, and trying to use the "investigating" activity to hold the "when" under control.

So far the only thing I have found that really helps is identifying neutral tasks that are not gender specific but have a complimentary effect...like dealing with my thinning hair, beard control, weight etc...

*big hug*  :icon_hug:

Chrissty
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MarySue

First of all, you certainly should see a therapist or counselor.

That said, in your initial post you gave two goals:

* I really dont want to hurt my wife.
* I have to correct my body at any cost.


It sounds like the "cost" of correcting your body will be to hurt your wife. You need to decide whether "any cost" really includes that. No one can make that decision for you, but a good therapist might help you make it yourself.

Incidentally, at work, I frequently deal with clients who claim that "cost is no object." Then when I show them the actual cost of what they want, they shout, "What! No way!" So I've learned the hard way that when people claim "cost doesn't matter," they rarely mean it. I'm not trying to give you a hard time! I'm just pointing out that it's normal human nature to overstate such claims, and when you learn the true cost, it's okay to go, "Oops! Guess I didn't really mean that."


Is there any way of slowing this process down ...

Well, I don't know if this will work, but try throwing yourself into something that doesn't revolve around you. Perhaps work. Perhaps your wife (and kids?). Perhaps a civic organization. Maybe a hobby. Maybe learn to play the piano. Maybe write a novel. Maybe try competitive ballroom dancing with your wife. Do something that you can be compulsive about. Something that so totally absorbs you that you lose yourself in it, and you forget about yourself and your problems.

Of course, getting obsessed like that might cause its own problems, but at least they'd be different ones.

And, yeah, that has worked for me. More or less. I've decided to play the cards I was dealt, so to speak, at least in public. For now, anyway; I might change my mind next week. Although that might just mean my gender conflicts aren't as severe as yours.
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coolJ

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Quote from: Chrissty on January 04, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
Quote from: coolJ on January 03, 2009, 12:28:12 AM
Is there any way of slowing this process down or am I just screwed? ???

Hi cooJ...

...I've sort of accepted thet the answer is "yes" to the screwed bit... and as to slowing down, I'm seeing a therapist next week...

...BUT like you, I'm planning hold out as long as I can ...

...I'm pacing myself by focussing on the question of why, and trying to use the "investigating" activity to hold the "when" under control.

So far the only thing I have found that really helps is identifying neutral tasks that are not gender specific but have a complimentary effect...like dealing with my thinning hair, beard control, weight etc...

*big hug*  :icon_hug:

Chrissty

Hi Chrissty, yup I'm screwed because my wife thinks that if I go to therapy that means I'm definitely going to transition and there will be a record, and etc, etc,etc.
My win win compromise is looking smaller and smaller. To top it off her Mom is sick and needs attention so I'm going to have to play the superman role for quite some time. But I still see the glass half full and whats helping me help my wife is knowing a good woman in my situation would be able to accomplish this! 8) And I love the save the planet quote!! ;)
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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coolJ

It sounds like the "cost" of correcting your body will be to hurt your wife. You need to decide whether "any cost" really includes that. No one can make that decision for you, but a good therapist might help you make it yourself.

Hi Mary sue, I know full well the cost it will be to HURT and LOSE my wife and family and I will not pay that. My problem is my own desire is making me unable to work and attain work. The economy is killing my business and I have no work right now for the first time in 22 years so I really need to focus on this and try and drum up some income. So I'm being hit with some double whamies! :-\ I really want to see a gender therapist but as in my previous post I cant even do that right now. So I'm just going to concentrate as best I can on getting some decent work for my business. Hmmm, I think I'll use my desire to change my body to motivate me to make some money! 8) Yup cause I figure I'm gonna need at least 50 G's to do what I want! And I'm gonna need at least 200 G's for my daughters college-ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Son of a bisciut I need to hit lotto!!!!! ;D
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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Chrissty

Quote from: coolJ on January 04, 2009, 06:06:53 PM
Hi Chrissty, yup I'm screwed because my wife thinks that if I go to therapy that means I'm definitely going to transition and there will be a record, and etc, etc,etc.
My win win compromise is looking smaller and smaller. To top it off her Mom is sick and needs attention so I'm going to have to play the superman role for quite some time. But I still see the glass half full and whats helping me help my wife is knowing a good woman in my situation would be able to accomplish this! 8) And I love the save the planet quote!! ;)

On the therapy... I decided I would go for private sessions (off the record) at my cost while I tried to sort things out.. particularly as we have the same doctor for my whole family over here....I should also say that my wife previously said that she wanted no part in these issues and that she expected me to "deal with it", so that's what I am doing. ::)

As you're effectively "out" to your wife at the moment, do you think there's any risk she might be reading your posts here? :icon_suspicious:

....I still think my wife knows more about my issues than she is willing to let on.

:icon_hug:

Chrissty
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coolJ

Quote from: Chrissty on January 05, 2009, 02:19:35 PM
Quote from: coolJ on January 04, 2009, 06:06:53 PM
Hi Chrissty, yup I'm screwed because my wife thinks that if I go to therapy that means I'm definitely going to transition and there will be a record, and etc, etc,etc.
My win win compromise is looking smaller and smaller. To top it off her Mom is sick and needs attention so I'm going to have to play the superman role for quite some time. But I still see the glass half full and whats helping me help my wife is knowing a good woman in my situation would be able to accomplish this! 8) And I love the save the planet quote!! ;)

On the therapy... I decided I would go for private sessions (off the record) at my cost while I tried to sort things out.. particularly as we have the same doctor for my whole family over here....I should also say that my wife previously said that she wanted no part in these issues and that she expected me to "deal with it", so that's what I am doing. ::)

As you're effectively "out" to your wife at the moment, do you think there's any risk she might be reading your posts here? :icon_suspicious:

....I still think my wife knows more about my issues than she is willing to let on.

:icon_hug:

Chrissty



Nope she dosent know my name on here and unfortunately for her she wont come on here anyway. She wont even know where to go if she did come here. The more I dont talk about this the more she just seems to blot it out or pretend nothings wrong. :o So I just rib her about stuff like I'll say I love those boots I wish they were a size and a half bigger! ;D So yes I am "out" to her but she dosent know I'm even posting on here and she dosent know some other things either because she'd just beg me to stop if she did anyway! 8)
Life is short, wear the shoes and eat the brownies!!!!!!---coolJ

Cast in this unlikely role, ill equipped to act, with insufficiant tact, one must put up barriers to keep oneself intact.---Rush
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Ms Bev

I put it off for a very long time, then used estradiol, just a little, too take the edge off.  The urge was uncontrollable after that, like a galapagos baby turtle, running for the sea.
It worked for me, but I'm the very small exception.  See a therapist.


Bev
1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
Marcy
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Jody

 It hurts so bad so bad to read these posts. I was there also. The more honest I was the more ridecule was heaped on. Speaking for myself only I can honestly say that if my partner were to tell me she was a man trapped in a womens body I would do anything in my power to help him be comfortable. That said i am one in a couple of billion I guess because I haven't found the one hat could be there for me.
I wish I could help all the wives to feel love for the women they married in the guise of a man. If they only knew how much more intamacy shareing and love they are missing out of. Unfortunately we are all products of the societal beliefs that have programmed us all.
Keep to the therepy and look for options which will enable you to stay sane. No fair offing yourself as that doesn't let anyone win.
BE GENTLE ON YOURSELF, BE GENTLE WITH THE ONES YOU CARE FOR.
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Chrissty

Quote from: Miss Bev on January 05, 2009, 09:43:38 PM
I put it off for a very long time, then used estradiol, just a little, too take the edge off.  The urge was uncontrollable after that, like a galapagos baby turtle, running for the sea.
It worked for me, but I'm the very small exception.  See a therapist.

Bev


I really understand what you mean Bev, and please don't take this the wrong way.... but loosing control is what I am trying to fight "against".

....I already know that this can be consuming like any other adiction, so I am trying to get help, and build up my self control before I get sucked-in.

The frightening thing for me recently, was my wife said she felt like leaving me when my business made me work long hours before Christmas, because she wasn't seeing me enough ...... and for a brief moment before I hugged her saying that I loved her and I would be finished for the holiday soon... I had a flash that said "just do it.... and this whole coming out/transition thing would be a whole lot easier".

I hate myself for thinking like that.... even for a moment.

It's the sort of rash "I don't care anymore" thinking that could finally push me over the edge to suicide.

You have my respect, but this isn't really the sort of option I'm prepared to explore....

:icon_hug:

Chrissty
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Suzy

coolJ,

Your problem and your situation are very far from being unique.  Many of us find ourselves with similar entanglements.  Some of us are taking care of parents and children, the so-called "sandwich generation."  This can make the finances for transitioning well nigh impossible.   Plus, many of us love our spouses and do not want to hurt them (as if that's really possible).

For me, the answer has been the right counselor, the right medications, and the right plan.  In short, hard work. 

You will likely not be able to control the fact that you will one day be out.  But with the right plan, you can begin now to control how you come out, and when.  It will involve some trade-offs.  It will involve some self searching, and clarification of your own core values. 

I truly wish you the best.

Kristi
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