QuoteReason:  International use of birthcertificates and the marriage validity ultimate check in some possible situations.

A passport can be used instead of a birth certificate. Many immigrants do not have birth certificates.

I am not an immigrant.

QuoteInternational use

The key words are International use. Anywhere out side of your own country you would be an equal to an immigrant as most people that travel do not carry a birth certificate.

lo

changing id yes name and stuff can be done by depoll without having had SRS or even be on a hormone regime
but changing your sex to female from male on passport, birth certificate, driving license etc i would of thought would be abit more difficult no matter where you live. Cause genetically u are still male untill you have SRS and surgery   

QuoteCause genetically u are still male untill you have SRS and surgery

Genetically you are still male after SRS surgery. You only change your physical appearance.

Quotewant it as requirement for legal recognition. However it is not.

You can run into legal difficulties such as bathrooms during real life test. So FFS with a doctor letter is good to establish that you are not falsely presenting a gender for illegal means. So courts and police will suspend judgments in those gray areas. Especially on ID's.

Quote from: pinkbubblegum on January 09, 2009, 01:43:59 PM
lo

changing id yes name and stuff can be done by depoll without having had SRS or even be on a hormone regime
but changing your sex to female from male on passport, birth certificate, driving license etc i would of thought would be abit more difficult no matter where you live. Cause genetically u are still male untill you have SRS and surgery   

I do not know what you are trying to say but here F in ID is a request for SRS. 

QuoteAfter SRS I should be just treated as male because I cannot afford FFS.

Well people do not see what is between your legs. If you look like a male you will be treated like a male. Now for legal purposes like getting a discount on insurance no body is going to looking at you.

Most of life you are judged on how you look not what you passport tells. Only for legal reasons do they look at your papers. If you buy something at a store and the clerk says here is your change sir. Are you going to whip out your birth certificate and tell him you are a women?

Quate: If you buy something at a store and the clerk says here is your change sir.

Oh nobody called me sir when I was guy rather fxxxxg gay communist or pervert traitor after my RLT begin nobody has called me that way.

QuoteAfter SRS I should be just treated as male because I cannot afford FFS

What I  said for all social reasons you will treated on how you look. For legal reasons you will be legally female. If you papers do not match how you look in both cases you are going to be questioned and run into problems. Just as very butch females are discriminated against. Or very feminine males have trouble finding work etc.

Butch females scare me a little bit actually. When I was under ten some of them saw that I was abnormal as boy liked to bully me.

Quote from: SomeMTF on January 09, 2009, 03:42:12 PM

Quote from: pinkbubblegum on January 09, 2009, 01:43:59 PM
lo

changing id yes name and stuff can be done by depoll without having had SRS or even be on a hormone regime
but changing your sex to female from male on passport, birth certificate, driving license etc i would of thought would be abit more difficult no matter where you live. Cause genetically u are still male untill you have SRS and surgery   

I do not know what you are trying to say but here F in ID is a request for SRS.

i am saying you cannot change your sex on a passport or a birth certificate from male to female until u
have had SRS not in the UK anyhow maybe in USA you can i dunno i dont know. And FFS dont always produce good results anyhow u can still be read or u just look like plastic from what i seen

Most of the girls i know over here dont need that anyhow they started on hormones and things when young so.............

Quote from: lisagurl on January 09, 2009, 07:17:26 PM

QuoteAfter SRS I should be just treated as male because I cannot afford FFS

What I  said for all social reasons you will treated on how you look. For legal reasons you will be legally female. If you papers do not match how you look in both cases you are going to be questioned and run into problems. Just as very butch females are discriminated against. Or very feminine males have trouble finding work etc.

not if they wanna be a hairdresser or nail tech....maybe as a bricklayer yes pmsl 

Quote from: lisagurl on January 09, 2009, 05:05:53 PM

QuoteAfter SRS I should be just treated as male because I cannot afford FFS.

Well people do not see what is between your legs. If you look like a male you will be treated like a male. Now for legal purposes like getting a discount on insurance no body is going to looking at you.

Most of life you are judged on how you look not what you passport tells. Only for legal reasons do they look at your papers. If you buy something at a store and the clerk says here is your change sir. Are you going to whip out your birth certificate and tell him you are a women?

NO i usually say thank you....hehe or bloody rip off lmao