Which is most responsible for the female orgasm: estrogen or the feline organ?

Or is the female orgasm simply the ability to 'hold out' longer than the male anatomy allows?

Did estrogen change your orgasms more or was surgery more responsible?

I'm keeping the feline, but losing the estrogen, so I really want to know.
All comments welcome, with those from post-op women especially solicited.

Feline, Nero?  Meow!!!

I think it is more the feminine anatomy, because my male nerves were nonstandard and didn't transfer as I had hoped.  The standard nerves the doctor used only give me warm fuzzies.  The estrogen has not had any noticeable effect on orgasms for me, and the other nerves are nowhere to be found.

Robyn the elder

Both. Hormones had a huge effect on my sex drive, as well as a pretty noticeable effect on orgasms. My female anatomy has remained the same, of course, but since I'm unfortunately forced to yoyo from testosterone from estrogen due to a lack of stable prescribing physicians, it's been easy to see the differences.

On testosterone, seeing as my sex drive is much higher, any physical contact with the genital region feels pretty incredible. It'll usually take me around 10-20 minutes to orgasm if I'm trying, and the feeling is very intense, but once it's over, everything hurts down there and all idea of sex is gone... in fact, the thought of it post-orgasm is about enough to make me want to never have sex again. This usually lasts between one and two hours.

Without testosterone, I have little to no sex drive unless I'm intoxicated. When I do feel like doing anything with those organs, the buildup feels decent but not necessarily good, though orgasms seem only slightly less intense, and there is no pain afterward. I can have 3 orgasms in a row without any problem except fatigue; problem is, it takes, on average, 45 minutes to an hour to get to that first one. Obviously, that makes it impossible to orgasm during intercourse. Oh, and while there is a great feeling of relief after orgasm on T, without it there is no such thing.

Hope that's helpful...

SD

I used to not identify much with my orgasms. I'd feel like crap and depressed after every one before HRT. Now I feel wobbly after orgasms. I don't need to have them in order to have a good life, but if I happen to, it leaves me tired, yet happy...

I only wish the person I was imagining were there to fall asleep with me afterwards so I could cling to them...

My sexual feeling and orgasms are all internalized now. I feel like a girl when I have them, cause my brain screams it. It feels so... Normal... So much more simplified than the sickening need to turn myself on and off to exercise some evil. Its just natural and not full of guilt or hatred. Just longing and nonsense.


I enjoy the waves I feel that slowly lead up to orgasm. They are always interesting, and so far I'm not dreading it. It isn't an instant fap to be the winner and stress over it, its a luxurious stretch at my own pace that leaves me feeling fuzzy and curled up.

Mrauw. It's neither. It's the brain.

Quote from: Nero on December 28, 2008, 10:45:57 PM
Which rules the female orgasm?

It's a combination of many things, me thinks.  Estrogen, the right mindset, genitals, and  of course an excellent partner that knows what he is doing!  *blushing* I'm sorry I couldn't resist!

Quote from: Nero on December 28, 2008, 10:45:57 PM
Did estrogen change your orgasms more or was surgery more responsible?

For me it was surgery.  Prior to surgery, there was...ummm...nothing, nothing at all, but you have to understand that I was on a massive dose of estrogen and anti-androgens then which is not the case nowadays.  Also see my previous answer!   

Quote from: Nero on December 28, 2008, 10:45:57 PM
Or is the female orgasm simply the ability to 'hold out' longer than the male anatomy allows?

Physiologically, it is what you have described plus having the ability to have two kinds of O's (the "c" O and the "v" O) which doesn't happen when you have the genitals/anatomy of a male.  Also, and IMO, the female O is more intense and lasts longer.  Now, if we are going to talk about the emotional aspects of the female O, then I am afraid that we will need an entirely different thread exclusively for that topic!


tink

Quote from: Tink on December 29, 2008, 08:53:16 PM

Quote from: Nero on December 28, 2008, 10:45:57 PM
Which rules the female orgasm?

It's a combination of many things, me thinks.  Estrogen, the right mindset, genitals, and  of course an excellent partner that knows what he is doing!  *blushing* I'm sorry I couldn't resist!

Quote from: Nero on December 28, 2008, 10:45:57 PM
Did estrogen change your orgasms more or was surgery more responsible?

For me it was surgery.  Prior to surgery, there was...ummm...nothing, nothing at all, but you have to understand that I was on a massive dose of estrogen and anti-androgens then which is not the case nowadays.  Also see my previous answer!   

Quote from: Nero on December 28, 2008, 10:45:57 PM
Or is the female orgasm simply the ability to 'hold out' longer than the male anatomy allows?

Physiologically, it is what you have described plus having the ability to have two kinds of O's (the "c" O and the "v" O) which doesn't happen when you have the genitals/anatomy of a male.  Also, and IMO, the female O is more intense and lasts longer.  Now, if we are going to talk about the emotional aspects of the female O, then I am afraid that we will need an entirely different thread exclusively for that topic!


tink

new thread. Emotional aspects of the female orgasm
Please fire away! 

Its something Ive got to discover hopefully when Im healed up down below.

Before i transitioned i had to do the dirty deed to get rid of what i called that nasty male sex drive. I hated it. I then could go out on a date and not feel i had to perform. I enjoyed hugging and when i came home i would find myself all wet below. I realized this was a clear fluid. The other was a yellowish white fluid. It was sticky and nasty. The clear was nice yet slick or slimy but would not leave a nasty film if it dried up. I then transitioned and have stayed celibate seeking true love. As the yrs went by i would chat with a potential soulmate and never talk about body parts or sex. It was just about getting together and being in love. I would then go to the bathroom (to pee) and find myself all wet again. This time i was post op and there was that clear fluid again. Well i was mislead many times by people online and finally never did find true love as most just wanted sex with no committment. I still have the wetness but it now comes from dreams. I can tell because i have that clear fluid which is so nice (when i go to pee i find it). Yes i have tried touching myself early post op but i soon realized i wasn't in need of it like i had to do that dirty deed before. Now i could take it or leave it. I did some checking and found the hypothalamus triggers the pituitary to create oxytosin which triggers the adrenals to release a coitercoisteriod / testosterone like hormone which triggers the spongy tissue to contract and which cause the cowpers gland to release the clear fluid.

I hated that nasty male sex drive as it was a terrible rollercoaster of hell. Today if the lights don't go on upstairs they won't go on downstairs. That to me is what being a woman hormonaly is all about. No longer do i just get driven to have sex without a true feeling of closeness or love.

It is a combination of the two.

But I suspect a male orgasm is better for a male and a female orgasm is better for a female so... think on that.

It all goes back to our nature as animals. Females are generally ingrained to mate once, while males are ingrained to mate as many times as possible. To make males want to mate more often, their orgasms are not as fulfilling, so they want another.

I think that women (in additional to the whole different organs thing) are more mentally-oriented than men are. We tend to need some sort of mental stimuli in addition to the physical stimuli. In order to get a woman to really have an amazing orgasm, you generally need to fulfill the emotional, mental, and physical needs. Physically, they have to be properly stimulated and attracted, emotionally they need to trust if not care about the person, and the person involved needs to be able to tap into what she mentally needs & desires.

Quote from: PiaIts something Ive got to discover hopefully when Im healed up down below.

You'll get there Pia.   I've been post-op for almost four months & everything just happened out of the blue.

Quote from: Lisbeth on December 29, 2008, 04:13:19 PM
Mrauw. It's neither. It's the brain.

I second that opinion.

Well, I've never been on any hormones or had any kind of surgical alteration to the region.

I've always thought it a tad odd, that despite having typically female genitalia and hormones, I have "male" orgasms.
They happen fairly quickly, are over basically as soon as they begin, and afterwards there is no desire to do anything else down there. Usually, I go to sleep afterwards too.

I'm just weird I guess.

Quote from: Blueflare on January 17, 2009, 07:30:14 PM
Well, I've never been on any hormones or had any kind of surgical alteration to the region.

I've always thought it a tad odd, that despite having typically female genitalia and hormones, I have "male" orgasms.
They happen fairly quickly, are over basically as soon as they begin, and afterwards there is no desire to do anything else down there. Usually, I go to sleep afterwards too.

I'm just weird I guess.

Not that weird. Many women have reported similar experience. My ex was one of them.

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It's a combination of many things, me thinks.  Estrogen, the right mindset, genitals, and  of course an excellent partner that knows what he is doing!  *blushing* I'm sorry I couldn't resist!

tink
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Hmn.  all good except the partner has to know what SHE is doing.   

LOL    That's true, but I was talking about my personal experience (straight girl) ...and he does know what he does! 

That was cute, Ash!


tink

Quote from: Blueflare on January 17, 2009, 07:30:14 PM
Well, I've never been on any hormones or had any kind of surgical alteration to the region.

I've always thought it a tad odd, that despite having typically female genitalia and hormones, I have "male" orgasms.
They happen fairly quickly, are over basically as soon as they begin, and afterwards there is no desire to do anything else down there. Usually, I go to sleep afterwards too.

I'm just weird I guess.

not weird. i always fall asleep and usually can't go more than once too. i don't see how that's a male orgasm though. i dunno. guess i wouldnt really know the difference though.

i'm talking more about orgasm length and the way the female orgasm is a 'whole body' experience. i've never seen a (biological) male's body do what mine does during an orgasm. i don't want to lose that, so i'm hoping it's not an estrogen exclusive product. 

Quote from: Nero on January 18, 2009, 04:42:04 PM
i'm talking more about orgasm length and the way the female orgasm is a 'whole body' experience.

Yes, they are wonderful that way. As long as you keep the neural paths trained to respond that way, you shouldn't lose it.

Quote from: Nero on January 18, 2009, 04:42:04 PM
i'm talking more about orgasm length and the way the female orgasm is a 'whole body' experience. i've never seen a (biological) male's body do what mine does during an orgasm. i don't want to lose that, so i'm hoping it's not an estrogen exclusive product. 

I've come to the conclusion, that the experience is of the individual is largely down to what one is prepared to explore. If the female orgasm was such a simple thing to find in it's entrity, why is there so much written about large sectors of the population who cannot achieve it.

The "whole body" & mind experience thing is not experienced by most males, simply because they have an easy and quick means of sexual satisfaction, and they don't tend to look much further. I cannot see why if you "want" to keep it, and are willing to continue to nurture your senses, that the sensation will ever go away.



Chrissty

there has been some research on the effects of testosterone on the female form and um, function, which you should probably check out.

"Scientific American" (not that i read that rag) ran a piece on it some years ago, which was quite interesting.